Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #14

[tresir2012]

That will be interesting. Reading about Lori and Chad Daybell, they are really spending big money, and have been living large for quite a while. I wonder how much money they actually have, and the source of the funds.

I wonder how Chad Daybell's children are taking the pictures of their father getting married to Lori on the beach in Hawaii, with their Mother barely in her grave. Most people invite their family members to weddings. He didn't even spend Christmas in Idaho.

I suspect that Chad had not shared the beach wedding pictures with his family.

Waiting to see what happens next.

Especially when they are still in the grip of winter. Sort of rubbing their noses in it really I think.

 

[IronOrchid]

Especially when they are still in the grip of winter. Sort of rubbing their noses in it really I think.

The pics could have been bad. My wedding photos were so bad I wanted to burn them all. Then the idiot photographer wanted one grand for the RAW data. So I told her to get bent and left a bad review.

 

[tresir2012]

I suspect Tylee wasn't on board with whatever her mother was doing by this point in time.

That's what I want to know. One of the Jeeps was apparently impounded, but mention had been made several times that led me to think all along that there were two different Jeeps. Alex's truck was in Idaho at one point; did he take it back to Arizona and where is it now? Where is the Rogue, the Kia, the Infiniti... and what is that white vehicle shown in that garage? I thought at one point Alex was mentioned as also having a car - if so, what is it and where is it? And where the heck are all these vehicles? And did Chad leave his normal transportation behind?

Bailey had to go, because she already intended to disappear the kids... and possibly the dog was protective of JJ and/or Tylee.


The whole cease and desist nonsense is worth an eyeroll at best, anyway. WS can respect their request if they like, and I'll honor that here, but IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. A company doesn't get to declare that people - or the media - can't discuss or report on their behavior and associations, any more than random people who make faces at reporters get to demand the reporter not report on them or the people they're connected with. See how MSM is ignoring the C&D? It's cuz they're well aware it doesn't have any teeth in the first place.

There was a Cherokee, or at least a second Jeep, mentioned way back somewhere. I had notes about it from the early threads. Or maybe it was pictures/video that showed one type of Jeep and discussion was about another type, leading me to write down two different Jeeps way way back. I don't remember, and I won't have time to hunt for whatever to back up my memory until at least Tuesday.

OK, this has been bothering me since the very first time I saw Chad and Lori's pictures. WHY DO THEY LOOK FAMILIAR? Both of them. And the kids do not. It may be just that they have a fairly common look about them, I don't know. But I've wondered since the very beginning of the case if they had any connections to Oregon or Washington. I also made a road trip in October that took me through Idaho and Utah. (And I am not good with faces, other than "I've seen this person before", it's pretty normal for me to recognize a face and have no idea whatever what the person's name is, or where I've seen them before. Even acquaintances I've seen somewhat regularly... all it takes is the person being out of the normal context.)

November 5th was a Tuesday, so I'd bet it was a lot easier to get a last-minute photo shoot for an hour than it would be for other days... and I'd bet Hawaii has a plethora of photographers to choose from.

How in the heck did she ever get custody of Tylee in the first place?
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I wonder if Annie the aunt would be willing to join us here? Would it be kosher to invite her?

I cannot freaking believe those photos. Except of course I can. It's just that ridiculous.

RE: the instagram with Lolo/Summy. I swear I found it before, and am not seeing it now. Maybe I have the ID wrong, I don't seem to have written it down. Would the person who mentioned it please check on it and make sure it's still visible?

I think Alex gave his truck to Colby and then later LE took it from Colby. Cannot remember where I saw that but in early threads. The item you are looking for is a YouTube I think. I will try to find it.

 

[IronOrchid]

Aww, who deleted my signature? I can't stand the hot and lie meme without it.

 

[Colorado303]

Rexberg population 28,337 (2017)
Rexberg Budget for Police, Fire, Ambulance (2018)
The Police, Fire and Ambulance Departments account for 14.7% ($8.39 million) of the City’s total budget. This budget funds 40 full- time Police officers and staff, and 21 Fire and Ambulance personnel. Madison County Ambulance District and Madison County Fire Protection District share in the funding of the Fire and Ambulance services with the City of Rexberg.
https://www.rexburg.org/sites/default/files/fileattachments/finance/page/10513/brief-budget.2018.pdf

rexburg id population - Google Search

Chandler population 251,664 (2017)
Chandler Budget for Police (2018)
$76,048,283
The Chandler Police Department (CPD) employs over 331 sworn officers and 169 civilians

https://www.chandleraz.gov/sites/default/files/Budget_FY201819_Book.pdf

About the Department – Chandler Police Department

Thanks for finding this info.

Rexberg’s LE budget is $29.60 per resident and Chandler’s is $30.00- virtually identical.

Rexberg LE has one employee (police officers and citizens combined) for every 708 residents. Chandler has one police officer for every 760 residents. When you add in LE citizen employees to compare apples to apples, Chandler has one LE employee for every 500 residents. Chandler may have more crime, but Rexberg manages to cover 52% more residents per LE employee than Chandler does.

IMO resource/funding differences don’t explain the discrepancy in performance. Chandler’s got other problems.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Also...


RSBM.

This photo shows the happy couple with some amber colored liquid in champagne glasses, and in another photo (Chad playing the ukulele) you can see a couple of bottles right by the champagne glasses. Could possibly be some Martinellis, but also maybe something alcoholic? If it's alcoholic then that's definitely a no-go for practicing members of the Church. MOO.

I just keep thinking these are not wedding piks as much as PR piks showing them as "god and goddess" to lead the doomsdayers out of this world, and to take all the money along the way to that end.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I just keep thinking these are not wedding piks as much as PR piks showing them as "god and goddess" to lead the doomsdayers out of this world, and to take all the money along the way to that end.

Thus making the champagne glasses to attract other folks besides Mormons!!!!

 

[tresir2012]

I don’t believe any rational person thinks his visions are authentic. He has already proven himself to be a liar, as stated by LE. I think his own words on his own website demonstrate him to be a manipulator, as when described using supposed visions from family to manipulate Tammy into stopping the playing of a computer game that gave her joy. He similarly used supposed visions to manipulate Tammy into leaving a job, friends and family to go to Idaho, which she really did not want to do. If Chad does, in fact, want to get out of the book business, he must have some other major source of income, or must feel strongly that he can’t go back to that life, or feels that he no longer needs it, due to some other plan. IMO.

I hope you don’t have any issue with me, Tresir2012. I’m just trying to share what I know first hand. I submitted long ago to be a VI, and I still await verification. But I personally know at least two other VI, and I can easily be verified, once someone makes the effort. My goal is that the missing kids are safe, if even possible, that those who have been harmed are avenged, (Tammy, and others) and that those who committed any atrocities be prevented from doing more, and pay for what they have done. If I can help that by correcting perceived red herrings, I will do so. MHO.

No issue. But you said that Chad got paid for his work on the podcasts and conferences but the media company said he had not. If someone is a VI or a local as you are, then WS states we can choose what to believe and I do not believe Chad was paid due to the link to the media company I provided and the facts of what is stated in their public statement. We are allowed to question each others opinions and statements. Please don't take my questioning as me having an issue with you, I am just seeking clarity on the issues. I agree with you that Chad used supposed visions to justify his actions. This is extremely worrying to me as regards Tammy's demise and Chad's supposed grieving and beach ceremony, apparently approved by Tammy from beyond the grave.

 

[Tortoise]

RSBM

This is fascinating @Tortoise

As you note, it is quite strange to be in and out of your storage so regularly unless you are using it for business? Like a tire is the kind of thing I store in storage, but obviously not if I need to get it again anytime soon.

The fact that they are taking items in AND OUT suggests this is actually the staging area for an activity with a whole bunch of items that don't belong at the house. What could that be? And why is Alex seemingly involved in it?

It seems to me (from the fact she didn't cancel the storage when she disappeared) that she had an end-game need for the storage of kids items she wanted the storage people to dispose of before she imagined police would get to find out about it, and he had a need for temporary storage during October that wouldn't be linked to his name. Guns and vehicle modification. Now who was shot at from a Jeep? I admit the conclusion could be confirmation bias on my part.

The thing that interests me is the tire removal. I've just done a little research and tire diameter on a Jeep Wrangler Sport 2018 (all-terrain) is 31.5". This is the screen shot of the tire being wheeled into the unit.

Lori Daybell abandoned a storage unit in Rexburg full of children's items | East Idaho News

Does that look like it could be roughly 31.5" in comparison to his legs?

I can see a person removing seats to hide down in the back of the Jeep, but why remove the spare tire from the back? Is it so that the person could pop open the rear window and shoot through the back without the tire obstructing the range of the gun?

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

What other reason could there be for storing a rear seat and tire? Is it even possible for these to be in the storage overnight on the 2nd/3rd October and then replaced in the Jeep before it was located, impounded and by the time the above photo was taken? I don't think it's cctv from the shooting, it doesn't look like it's on the road.

I don't think Cox had to necessarily be the shooter. He could have hired someone or called in a favor from a fellow psycopath. Do we know if he was ever in the military?

Just my 2p's worth and moo.

 

[tresir2012]

Somehow I don't see Chad's children changing their attitude towards this case after seeing the wedding photos. If they were able to accept his reasoning for remarrying so quickly, they'll believe anything he tells them in regard to the photos.

It is what Tammy wanted him to do. Will they believe that rubbish?

 

[mrjitty]

So LVs 3rd husband also died in 2018?

And she concealed the news?

Like what are the chances?

 

[IronOrchid]

It seems to me (from the fact she didn't cancel the storage when she disappeared) that she had an end-game need for the storage of kids items she wanted the storage people to dispose of before she imagined police would get to find out about it, and he had a need for temporary storage during October that wouldn't be linked to his name. Guns and vehicle modification. Now who was shot at from a Jeep? I admit the conclusion could be confirmation bias on my part.

The thing that interests me is the tire removal. I've just done a little research and tire diameter on a Jeep Wrangler Sport 2018 (all-terrain) is 31.5". This is the screen shot of the tire being wheeled into the unit.
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Lori Daybell abandoned a storage unit in Rexburg full of children's items | East Idaho News

Does that look like it could be roughly 31.5" in comparison to his legs?

I can see a person removing seats to hide down in the back of the Jeep, but why remove the spare tire from the back? Is it so that the person could pop open the rear window and shoot through the back without the tire obstructing the range of the gun?

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

What other reason could there be for storing a rear seat and tire? Is it even possible for these to be in the storage overnight on the 2nd/3rd October and then replaced in the Jeep before it was located, impounded and by the time the above photo was taken? I don't think it's cctv from the shooting, it doesn't look like it's on the road.

I don't think Cox had to necessarily be the shooter. He could have hired someone or called in a favor from a fellow psycopath. Do we know if he was ever in the military?

Just my 2p's worth and moo.

There is a lot of weird tire stuff in this case.

 

[Colorado303]

"Three of their children had recently gotten married since they moved to Arizona,"

You mean Idaho?

More recent marriages. Were they also sudden? Perhaps some of the Daybell kids are have no problem w/Dad’s new wife because they’re on board with the SHTF program too.

 

[kye0001]

February 9,2020

Aunt Of Missing Idaho Girl Addresses Disappearance For First Time

edit: Video of the Aunt of Tylee Ryan

I’m glad that someone is speaking up for TR, the aunts comments and observations as well as the custody papers are a real eye opener. LVs delusions and controlling behaviour was going on long before she even married CV. How did she even keep custody of TR? It’s a heck of a coincidence that her dad died. It’s a shame LE cannot go back and do a autopsy on him. There’s so many red flags with that case before CV/CD were even in the scene. JMO

RSBM

This is fascinating @Tortoise

As you note, it is quite strange to be in and out of your storage so regularly unless you are using it for business? Like a tire is the kind of thing I store in storage, but obviously not if I need to get it again anytime soon.

The fact that they are taking items in AND OUT suggests this is actually the staging area for an activity with a whole bunch of items that don't belong at the house. What could that be? And why is Alex seemingly involved in it?

I’ve tagged @Tortoise in this as well because they commented on it as well.

I keep going back to this tyre. If storage was needed for the tyre for a day or so why didn’t they keep it in the garage? Maybe they did remove it to make room in the car for moving boxes etc but it would be logical to store it in the garage. Much less hassle.

It makes me wonder if they were involved in something nefarious (other than all these murders). Tyres are used a lot for hiding things, it was a big tyre. Drugs is the obvious one...but there’s nothing at all to suggest they were involved with drugs and especially with their beliefs I don’t think that was the case.

I do wonder though if AC was involved with weapons trafficking. I’d imagine a lot of the cult people were stocking up on weapons for when the SHTF. There’s actually sales of guns on the avow forum. I cannot find anything to back up my theory so it’s all speculation. It would explain the storing of totes and the tyre in a locker though. It’s something I keep going back to as it doesn’t feel right. All MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

Thanks for the heads up. Good to hear the timeline from a family source and yeah, that comment is disturbing.

It only said "awesome" when I just checked. Was it changed?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I've come to believe they never believed any of it, I think it was a money game for both of them. MOO

Me too. They have discovered that they can make money off the fear....so why not be the "God and Goddess" leading you there...while taking all your money. I really really think they thought they were and could get away with all this.

 

[jjenny]

That is not Lori's niece but Kay Vallow's relative. We are not allowed to publicly sleuth people who aren't victims or suspects. You can only name those who have been named in MSM.

OK, that makes sense.

 

[IronOrchid]

I’m glad that someone is speaking up for TR, the aunts comments and observations as well as the custody papers are a real eye opener. LVs delusions and controlling behaviour was going on long before she even married CV. How did she even keep custody of TR? It’s a heck of a coincidence that her dad died. It’s a shame LE cannot go back and do a autopsy on him. There’s so many red flags with that case before CV/CD were even in the scene. JMO


I’ve tagged @Tortoise in this as well because they commented on it as well.

I keep going back to this tyre. If storage was needed for the tyre for a day or so why didn’t they keep it in the garage? Maybe they did remove it to make room in the car for moving boxes etc but it would be logical to store it in the garage. Much less hassle.

It makes me wonder if they were involved in something nefarious (other than all these murders). Tyres are used a lot for hiding things, it was a big tyre. Drugs is the obvious one...but there’s nothing at all to suggest they were involved with drugs and especially with their beliefs I don’t think that was the case.

I do wonder though if AC was involved with weapons trafficking. I’d imagine a lot of the cult people were stocking up on weapons for when the SHTF. There’s actually sales of guns on the avow forum. I cannot find anything to back up my theory so it’s all speculation. It would explain the storing of totes and the tyre in a locker though. It’s something I keep going back to as it doesn’t feel right. All MOO.

Oh my lord, what if a body was in the tire?

 

[tresir2012]

I’m glad that someone is speaking up for TR, the aunts comments and observations as well as the custody papers are a real eye opener. LVs delusions and controlling behaviour was going on long before she even married CV. How did she even keep custody of TR? It’s a heck of a coincidence that her dad died. It’s a shame LE cannot go back and do a autopsy on him. There’s so many red flags with that case before CV/CD were even in the scene. JMO


I’ve tagged @Tortoise in this as well because they commented on it as well.

I keep going back to this tyre. If storage was needed for the tyre for a day or so why didn’t they keep it in the garage? Maybe they did remove it to make room in the car for moving boxes etc but it would be logical to store it in the garage. Much less hassle.

It makes me wonder if they were involved in something nefarious (other than all these murders). Tyres are used a lot for hiding things, it was a big tyre. Drugs is the obvious one...but there’s nothing at all to suggest they were involved with drugs and especially with their beliefs I don’t think that was the case.

I do wonder though if AC was involved with weapons trafficking. I’d imagine a lot of the cult people were stocking up on weapons for when the SHTF. There’s actually sales of guns on the avow forum. I cannot find anything to back up my theory so it’s all speculation. It would explain the storing of totes and the tyre in a locker though. It’s something I keep going back to as it doesn’t feel right. All MOO.

Do we actually know when Alex moved into his Rexburg apartment? I do wonder if gun trafficking could explain the to'ing and fro'ing with the storage locker. But drugs could be a good bet too. He did visit Columbia often apparently

MOO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I pray that is not the case. Without getting too specific on details with respect for my friend, the person that took her was trusted by the family. He was well known and liked in the community and he was LDS. I don't think all of the men involved in this were LDS. Most of the members of the church are amazing people, but obviously there are bad people in every culture. At least two of the men were convicted on lesser charges of sexual abuse of minors and served too short of a sentence in my opinion. My friend also met another victim of this group later in life and there appears to be many others. This was a very messed up group from what I have gathered, who had means of repeatedly traveling across state lines with the kids.
Again, I really hope that is not the case but it is always in the forefront of my mind because it was in the same part of the state.

Very interesting information...thank you. But could you clarify one sentence please? "the person that took her was trusted by the family. He was well known and liked in the community and he was LDS". I really do not comprehend what this is about??? Can you clarify???