Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #14

[Colorado303]

Or possibly he accidentally poisoned himself by handling whatever toxins they used? It’s also possible he od’d with guilt. All three are possible IMO. I’m sure LE have a clearer picture than us though. I’d be intrigued to know which one they’re opting for. MOO

Alex had guns. If he wanted to kill himself, IMO he would have shot himself. Much quicker , less suffering and more certainty than poison.

 

[tresir2012]

Lord Voldemort?

ROFL

 

[tresir2012]

I hope the pressure on these 2 only gets more intense after the Dateline show. Did she really think it would be ok that nobody including her own son knows where her children are while she is hanging on the beach in Hawaii?? And the only thing on her mind is which bikini she is going to wear?
I can’t get a read on him. First smiling but then looking miserable and being led around like a dog.. IMO

Led like a dog is what I thought too and we know what Lori does with dogs....

 

[tresir2012]

I wonder if the DNR bracelet was Lori's wedding gift to him. Bet it came with a life insurance policy too.

Your comments are killing me.

 

[Tortoise]

I thought about that but I wasn't sure Chad would use a smart watch or fitness tracker since he seems to be worried about being microchipped according to this article: FOX 13 Investigates: Do Chad Daybell’s books leave clues about missing Rexburg children?
Also from his blog: 17- Writing “The Great Gathering” | cdaybell.com
I'm aware those things are not the same as implanted microchips from the government but would Chad think they are one step away from it? They are good tracking devices. IDK. Then again, I'm not sure if Chad believes anything he has been selling for the past 30 years. And he has no qualms about using a cell phone to text. So there's that. MOO.

It looks to me like it could be something like a resort ID bracelet, lets them use the facilities or the beach for free or something. I think it looks like Lori could also be wearing one on her left wrist in this photo (if you enlarge) in the media thread -

 

[tresir2012]

I mean take this with a grain of salt, but JJ's old school LIFE Acadamy announcing they have been investigating the Lori Vallow account, and the login dates is pretty terrific. I mean props to the I.T. guy who figured that out. I'm sure they might be able to trace an IP

Does this mean Jj is alive and being homeschooled? Why have they removed the access? This is a good sign isn't it?

 

[Tortoise]

Why has she logged in multiple times since unenrolling JJ?
I'm going to guess the know it's not LE because wouldn't they check with them first before announcing to media???
Is she spying on them? Is that what's she doing with her free time?

Perhaps she wants to know if anyone mentions her. She might know there is someone there (a parent) who knows something? Like confiding her reasons for going to ID and marriage plans, or something.

I'm not sure exactly what this is - is it a one on one communication system between parent and school or can multiple people communicate, like a community forum?

 

[tresir2012]

I am not surprised it took Lori 4 days to call about Charles's life insurance policy. It probably took that long to clean up from the wild pool party she hosted the same day her brother murdered her husband in that very house. I mean, priorities.

Looks like the pool party was a bit premature - she should have checked the policy before killing him, not after.

 

[tresir2012]

I keep wondering if Tammy did die of natural causes, and the trauma of her death is what sent Chad over the edge

About as likely as pink elephants IMO. To me he does not look like he is grieving or over the edge strolling around hand in hand with his strumpet. ( autocorrect wanted to turn that into trumpet - ha ha )

 

[tresir2012]

I don't think we can rule that out other than Lori moving to Rexburg a month and a half before doesn't make much sense if she wasn't intending to end up with Chad, at a minimum, and more likely seems like she knew she was going to (and not just because she's a hot blonde). It seems like a stretch that Lori came to Rexburg, hoping she could somehow capture Chad or for some other reason having nothing to do with him, then Tammy happened to die, and Lori managed to capture Chad in 2 weeks. Sure, truth is stranger than fiction, but if a work of fiction had a plot like this the critics and readers would tear it apart.

That could sound like another Chad book in the pipeline.

 

[tresir2012]

Do we know this is true?

What if I had a kid, enrolled her in a prestigious music academy in Europe, then a bunch of relatives I was ticked off at and people online watching headlines said I killed them and complained to the police...police in some podunk town in Idaho demand I show the kids. I say "F-Off, I don't need your stinkin government intrusion. You're not the boss of me!"

Then a judge from the same podunk town issues an order based on nothing but hearsay from relatives and me exercising my right to not submit to a search without a warrant and the coincidence that I had a planned move the following day. "F-off again. I like this game. I've got officials working hard to come after me for something I know they will eventually lose. I'll get to watch them all get fired for squandering taxpayer dollars."

Then when they show up with an arrest warrant from another state I tell them kids are in Europe, safe and sound. These Idaho cops and judges are morons! Are you going to let them stomp on my rights? It will cost me $20,000 to bring the kids back and show you because we fly first class. And it will set them back in school. Your honor, Hawaii needs to pay for me to bring the kids to you, first class. Because you have no authority to order me to spend that kind of money for a frivolous Idaho warrant. Judge says "no" or wastes more taxpayer dollars. Judge asks why I made things so difficult. "Because I can." I smile...

Yeah, I know it does not exactly work that way but the point is, the Idaho judge's orders are questionable at best. Someone said that Idaho has jurisdiction if they were last seen in Idaho. But if someone saw them in Montana, say on the 25th of September, jurisdiction gone and we are back to square one. The witness has no obligation to come forward either. But proceedings are shut down as soon as that weak little fact is false. So prosecution wastes thousands of Idaho taxpayer dollars on a futile quest. Lori can stop that but she has no obligation to do so.

And back to SS...there are periodic reviews from what I understand. But they happen after multiple years, not a few months. And given that the Idaho judge's order was made out of ignorance (meaning lack of knowledge, not that he is an idiot) I doubt it is enough to warrant federal fraud charges or denial of an entitlement. If literal physical custody were required then every kid in a residential private school would lead to parental fraud.

Seriously, If I had bodies on my hands, kids or otherwise, I'd be heading somewhere that does not have extradition with the US. There are many beautiful tropical islands they could easily get to that fit that description. I would not be checking into hotels in my own name in a US state.

The more I observe their behavior the more convinced I am that the kids are safe and they are taunting LE. I do think they had something to do with the deaths of their spouses but my theory on that is that they will get away with it because there is no solid evidence to convict. Everything will be pinned on AC acting alone and he can't defend himself.

If that is the case then there would be flights to Europe with the kids on them but the kids are missing. Meaning they have no trace of them anywhere since 23 Sept. LE have probable cause to do what they are doing and a judge has agreed several times to issue the search warrants and permit the exhumation. Yes it is costly and Lori should pay if she has just "innocently" removed and hidden her children. Why has she done that anyway if that is true?

 

[Colorado303]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
57 mins ·
NEW DETAILS: LIFE Academy, JJ Vallow’s former school sent me this exclusive statement on Lori Vallow allegedly logging into school app. Officials tell me an account belonging to her has been seen on posts from 9/7-2/4. LIFE removed her access since discovering this. I’ve obtained seven different instances of her alleged account seen on lists of parents who viewed school posts. The question is why? School officials are not sure but are staying vigilant.

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

I really don't know what to make of this, but I hope it means they are able to track Lori's every move and see every location she has logged in from since unenrolling JJ. MOO.

Is there anyone who posts on that board that Lori was close to? Could it have been a mechanism to send coded messages to Lori? She couldn’t have replied without being busted but it could be a signal to use the bat phone.

 

[Colorado303]

Grandparents of missing Rexburg boy have little to say after long custody hearing | East Idaho News

two hours seems a long time for a status conference ..... And police and DA were there. Oh, to be a fly on that wall.

 

[tresir2012]

I understand what you're getting at, but Hawaii has an FBI branch. Why haven't Dumb and Dumber been brought in for questioning. It's the least they could do right now..

They don't need to be. They are in their own paradise prison continuing to incriminate themselves.

 

[tresir2012]

When K says C told her X, that is hearsay. Most of what K says is in that category. It's not that I don't believe her, just that it needs additional corroboration in our legal system. If Lori stashed the kids safely away from the Ws and refused to address their concerns, that is not illegal. That could be being a good parent. It could also be neglect. We just don't know because we don't now the circumstances. If KW makes a custody claim based on that she needs evidence. If an Idaho court awards custody simply because a relative alleges that the parent has the kids in hiding the court is in error.

That is not hearsay. Hearsay, for example, would be K said that L told her C stated she was nuts. L actually saying something to K is direct evidence.

 

[squareandrabbet]

dbm, as LIFE Academy Facebook post screenshot makes all my points for me

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Interesting about the logins. In the age of data science, it's amazing what can be and is easily tracked in an app like a school portal. I don't know this specific software, but, generally you can see user activity based on login, so I don't think it'd be from a "remember me" type of deal...these were intentional logins. User actions and automated actions generally have different behavior signatures, which is how an IT professional or a firewall can discern the intent of the traffic.

Without knowing the full scope of what data is collected...I suspect that for the school to be confident that this was a login by LV, they use something called passive authentication. PA happens in the background without the user ever knowing, and generally consists of matching the device you used to sign up, or that is generally associated with your account, with the device currently attempting login. A lot of places use this tech - credit bureaus, Facebook, credit card companies, etc. In addition to the device fingerprint, there are other checks happening, such as IP trace (known bad actor IP ranges), among other information. It happens in seconds.

As an IT professional, what this situation tells me is that their credential provisioning/deprovisioning process is broken, considering JJ was removed from the school in September and it's now February, and her access was just cut. The access should have been cut upon their exit from the school, but generally, there are periodic access audits to avoid such a thing, especially when it comes to seeing sensitive information about children.

However...this is also a good thing for LE. Each login will have an IP (and a trove of other data) associated with it, even if the pair is smart enough to use a VPN service to hide their true location. In my security days, I used the VPN service IP range to track a ring of fraudsters...it gave me one way to narrow down my field from millions of accounts to thousands...and then in that batch, I found other things that all matched and eventually narrowed my field to around 100. One thing about people - they are creatures of habit and will do things the same way, even if they're trying not to. Something about their habits will come through. In the case of the fraudster ring, the accounts were all set up similarly..same style of name, email, passwords...zebras don't change their stripes.

I don't say any of this to scare anybody, but more to offer insight. LE knows a lot more than they're releasing. They had to have probable cause to get a warrant for electronics, and I suspect their probable cause is coming from data analysis.

All my own opinion, of course.

Seems to me the school should have allowed LE to continue to monitor logins. Why terminate access when we want to know what she is doing?

 

[Tortoise]

The dates of Lori's account accessing the system from the screenshots provided by the school are -

7th Sep 2019
21st Nov "
9th Dec "
20th Dec "
8th Jan 2020
31st Jan "
4th Feb "

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2547527728868501

This is a selection of events in our timeline -

Abt 19 Nov 2019 – About a week before conducting a welfare check on JJ and Tylee, a police officer came to SB’s door asking questions about Lori and her children. SB is the neighbor who had helped Lori move into her Rexburg townhouse with the children in Sept 2019 (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

10 Dec 2019 – An anonymous resident of Kauai says Lori and Chad arrived on the island around 12/10. The source says he never saw JJ & Tylee, but Lori & Chad were often by the pool (Fox10 Phoenix).

20 Dec 2019 - Rexburg Police post on facebook asking for help locating the endangered missing children, JJ and Tylee. They call the death of Tammy suspicious and say it is thought to be linked to the missing children. Rexburg Police Department

20 Dec 2019 - Rexburg PD said the parents are not cooperating with officers’ attempts to check on the welfare of the children.

8 Jan 2020 - The former attorneys of the late Charles Vallow say that CV filed an order of protection against Lori in Feb 2019 and told his attorneys, “Steve, I want to make sure that everyone knows that if something happens to me, Lori & Alex did it.” The lawyers say they could not find Lori in Feb 2019 to serve her with the order of protection papers and they even tried looking for her in Idaho (Fox 10 Phoenix).

8 Jan 2020 – A hotel employee says that she expected CV and JJ to return to the hotel for breakfast on July 11 but instead police came to the hotel and informed her CV was dead (Fox 10 Phoenix).

31 Jan 2020 – Summaries of Chandler PD interviews of Lori & Tylee from the July 11, 2019 shooting death of Lori’s 4th husband Charles Vallow are released by Justin Lum, Fox10 Phoenix.

 

[kye0001]

Alex had guns. If he wanted to kill himself, IMO he would have shot himself. Much quicker , less suffering and more certainty than poison.

I believe that also but trying to look at all potential causes. For example opioid od can cause similar. It’s a shame the autopsy results aren’t back yet or being released as it would give us some direction as to what has happened. I understand though that even if they were LE won’t be releasing anything crucial to the investigation. MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I've been thinking about how these two are financing their lives in paradise. If Chad truly does have a following, maybe supporters are sending him money. It's so easy to get people to send someone they admire and like money. It's even easier to get people to do that if they think the person is a prophet. I'm sure some of you have heard about the lady that started the alien reptile cult. She never met her followers, but she made a comfy six figure salary by publishing a few obscure books and creating Youtube videos. Maybe Chad's "followers" are still getting his messages from the AVOW private forum...IMO.

that’s a serious underground forum then.
Surely those followers also have access to the news and see what they’re really supporting?[/QUOTE]
If he does have that $$source, I feel certain he has convinced these doomsday followers that the kids are safe for the apocalypse and THAT is what is the most importand so everyone is silent.