Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #15

[tresir2012]

Good catch..

Monthly would be important if one was earning monthly commission on business. For instance, insurance agents in the UK receive lifelong commission on policies they sell. I know that for a fact from my own policies I have had in the past but MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

Someone else found that record in Harris County, TX. That was @Friday Fan if I recall correctly.

TY. Someone provided a correct link.

 

[BigAl16]

Tithing is definitely a cultural difference because we have not had that since serfdom and the Domesday Book but usually we quote salary as an annual figure. Can't say about rental as I have never rented except for a holiday and they never ask as you pay up front.
So how does LDS determine the tithe?

I also saw a quote where it questioned giving "wealth" as a monthly figured. That wouldn't make sense, I agree. But when you're applying for something where you'll be making monthly payments then asking for monthly income is normal.

Tithing, I can answer how it was 40-50 years ago, but don't know if this has changed in any way. They had an annual meeting sometime around this time of the year where you'd make an appointment with the bishop and would come in with appropriate paper work for the last calendar year (W2 forms, tax forms, whatever) and show that your income was $X, that your accumulated payments for tithing that year were $Y (maybe you'd pay every payday or every month or whatever worked for you). If the accumulated payments weren't 10% of the total income you'd presumably write a check for the difference to get you to 10%. This process is known as tithing settlement. But it really has absolutely nothing to do with why some places ask for or some people give their salary as a monthly amount rather than annual.

 

[KonaHonu]

IMHO... I have never thought any of these folks have "real" money... CD and TD's property ownership is extremely modest, and LVd-- all rentals, constant moving, BUT why all the fancy cars, and why the $$$ flow now. My forever question...Where's the money?

We have to look a little more broadly. It's only suspicion and conjecture right now, and involves a nonsleuthable. But there is a source of vast amounts of money in plain sight that no one has mentioned.

 

[CSIDreamer]

We have to look a little more broadly. It's only suspicion and conjecture right now, and involves a nonsleuthable. But there is a source of vast amounts of money in plain sight that no one has mentioned.

Have you considered becoming a VI? You could share a bit more of this inside information you have. Jmo.

 

[tresir2012]

February 17,2020
KSL Salt Lake
With Chad and Lori Daybell on the move, retired FBI agent explains what could happen next

I wonder if it is SLC that they are headed too? When are we likely to know.?

 

[Trask]

When I say psychopath I'm referring to absence of guilt, remorse and empathy. I agree, delusions of grandeur fits him like a glove too.

moo

What really frustrates me is that Lori was ordered to have TWO madatory psychiatric evaluations, one for telling a social worker that Tylee would be better off dead rather than be with Joe Ryan and another for threatening to kill Charles, and neither one of those evaluations found her to be a threat to herself or others. Why?

Her behavior is so bizarre after Charles was shot I can't help but think that if Community Bridges had followed through with their mandatory 72 hour hold, based on her own words, they would have uncovered just how dangerous Lori was to others and a lot of people might be alive today. I guess when you're a pretty, blonde psychopath and you clearly state your intent to kill someone, nobody really thinks you mean it. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

We have to look a little more broadly. It's only suspicion and conjecture right now, and involves a nonsleuthable. But there is a source of vast amounts of money in plain sight that no one has mentioned.

You could mention it to Nate. He was saying he can be messaged privately.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

I also saw a quote where it questioned giving "wealth" as a monthly figured. That wouldn't make sense, I agree. But when you're applying for something where you'll be making monthly payments then asking for monthly income is normal.

Tithing, I can answer how it was 40-50 years ago, but don't know if this has changed in any way. They had an annual meeting sometime around this time of the year where you'd make an appointment with the bishop and would come in with appropriate paper work for the last calendar year (W2 forms, tax forms, whatever) and show that your income was $X, that your accumulated payments for tithing that year were $Y (maybe you'd pay every payday or every month or whatever worked for you). If the accumulated payments weren't 10% of the total income you'd presumably write a check for the difference to get you to 10%. This process is known as tithing settlement. But it really has absolutely nothing to do with why some places ask for or some people give their salary as a monthly amount rather than annual.

Tithing requires no paperwork whatsoever. It is a yes or no question. “are you a full tithe payer?” yes or no. Never have we ever shown how much we make to a Bishop. Speaking for my own experience, we donate stock since my husband works for a large company. It is all computerized and a direct transfer nobody needs the information. If you pay tithes and fast offering you do get a little paper at the end of the yr for your taxes... MOO

 

[Etrup23]

What really frustrates me is that Lori was ordered to have TWO madatory psychiatric evaluations, one for telling a social worker that Tylee would be better off dead rather than be with Joe Ryan and another for threatening to kill Charles, and neither one of those evaluations found her to be a threat to herself or others. Why?

Her behavior is so bizarre after Charles was shot I can't help but think that if Community Bridges had followed through with their mandatory 72 hour hold, based on her own words, they would have uncovered just how dangerous Lori was to others and a lot of people might be alive today. I guess when you're a pretty, blonde psychopath and you clearly state your intent to kill someone, nobody really thinks you mean it.

Do you really think she would take her own daughters life? I just imagine 99.9% of human beings wouldn't be able to bounce back get married and honeymoon and show face in the media if they're gone. Once the kids are found this case will lose probably lose a lot of interest so maybe it's just a sick game LV really wants to play. This is her twisted and psychotic 15min of fame... and she loves it. HAIR DONE -MAKE-UP DONE- Slick Sunglasses - BIKINI - ba duh du da duh SHES LOVIN' IT...

 

[KonaHonu]

Do you think they still have their passports then? I figured they wouldn't. If the search warrant took their phones and purse contents don't you think the passports were confiscated too? I suppose it is irrelevent as the latest article from Nate says FBI and LE would be tracking their movements anyway.

The search warrant would not cover their passports or other items they need to live their lives. They have not been charged with a crime.

 

[alter idem]

I am not so sure. They stayed with her for 7 weeks after CV was killed and then moved with them to Idaho for another 3 weeks. Then Tylee had her 17th birthday and maybe they then both moved to a homeschool type prep school or even separate schools. Or even a school for JJ that Tylee could work at as she was used to dealing with JJ. That way Tylee would be working and JJ could be resident at the same school. JMO.

As far as I know, the date given Sept. 23(?) was when JJ was last seen. I'm not sure anyone has a date for when Tylee was last seen. I also thought Tylee was done with school. Lori told someone Tylee was going to attend BYU Idaho or Hawaii, (which would make sense if she'd gotten her diploma through homeschool, she could start college at 17, but why she'd go back to a high school age prep school, I don't know. This is one reason I don't think the suggestion that she's at a private boarding school is a logical one. JJ would need a very special type school, and I don't even know if they have private boarding schools for severe autistic children and if so, I'd expect them to be very expensive. I also don't see why Lori wouldn't have kept paying the storage fee for the Kid's belongings if they were away at boarding schools. MOO

 

[divineappt]

I think it's because CD's is referenced from a rental application that usually goes month to month. CV's listing is from family court documents and in my experience a the monthly income is usually used to determine maintenance in the calculators.

Maybe this was only a “half lie” then, maybe they did receive $30,000 that month from “somewhere” but that was the only time they would. Hence not giving a yearly income, which was probably considerably low, but that monthly income instead, which “may” have been true. Not that they haven’t told enough lies to get them into deep doodoo already, but “do not tell a lie” may be ingrained enough that you don’t if you do not have to. Just random speculation only. MOO

 

[BigAl16]

Tithing requires no paperwork whatsoever. It is a yes or no question. “are you a full tithe payer?” yes or no. Never have we ever shown how much we make to a Bishop. Speaking for my own experience, we donate stock since my husband works for a large company. It is all computerized and a direct transfer nobody needs the information. If you pay tithes and fast offering you do get a little paper at the end of the yr for your taxes... MOO

That makes sense. I remember my dad bringing paper, but that could have been for his own purposes and this was very much pre-computer, I didn't think about how computers would have changed the process. But my point is that the monthly salary thing has zero to do with tithing or Mormon practices in any way.

 

[utahobserver]

Charles also could have named his retirement account in his Living Trust as beneficiary at least you can do that in AZ. Seems he is savvy enough to set up his estate that way.

If he was smart enough to change his Life insurance beneficiary to Kay, I hope he did as you suggest. A cash poor Lori is probably an unfamiliar circumstance for our gated living, highlight loving Mom.

 

[tresir2012]

The search warrant would not cover their passports or other items they need to live their lives. They have not been charged with a crime.

Have you got a copy of it? I know it was posted a few threads back. I'll check the media thread.

 

[alter idem]

What evidence does the state have that the kids are in danger, which is presumably the reason they want custody? If they are in hiding then all L will have to do is give evidence they are alive, but not necessarily evidence of where they are. She will clearly wait for the last minute possible to do this if the kids are safely hidden. If they are dead then she will fail to produce anything then be arrested. My question is how long will this take?

We now know that LE found the Storage unit with all the kids belongings (even scrapbooks, mementos) and knew that the kids had not traveled to Hawaii with Lori and Chad back in November. I recall that back in December when they asked for the public's help finding them, they said they believed the children were in danger and I think it's because Lori and Chad lied about where the kids were, the storage unit had their things in it and the kids were not with L and C. To me, since there were deaths involved, it was a reasonable concern for the children's welfare. MOO

 

[Etrup23]

FRANK MONTOYA should be a bit more subtle SHEEESH...... A FREAKIN TOMMY GUN in the background of the interview shheeeeesh. CMON Frank we're missing kids here bud!

 

[tresir2012]

Charles also could have named his retirement account in his Living Trust as beneficiary at least you can do that in AZ. Seems he is savvy enough to set up his estate that way.

He lived in Texas though at the time of his death.

 

[caseface]

Do you really think she would take her own daughters life? I just imagine 99.9% of human beings wouldn't be able to bounce back get married and honeymoon and show face in the media if they're gone. Once the kids are found this case will lose probably lose a lot of interest so maybe it's just a sick game LV really wants to play. This is her twisted and psychotic 15min of fame... and she loves it. HAIR DONE -MAKE-UP DONE- Slick Sunglasses - BIKINI - ba duh du da duh SHES LOVIN' IT...

I agree. I cannot find a motive for her killing the kids. The husbands, sure; however, not the kids. If she wants to be rid of the kids, there are better ways to go about that such as signing over to a relative. If she really is "all about the money" it would be too much of a risk to her plans of living out a fantasy life in Hawaii as some allege. Perhaps she said she doesn't like her kids or she wants to be rid of them; nevertheless, that is not a motive; it is the statements of a bad mom. What does she gain from killing her kids? There are multiple adequate places/resources for her to hide her kids out somewhere due to the group with whom she is affiliated. She would hand them over to them before letting non-believers get them. moo