Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #16

[OGDiva]

These two people are exhausting to keep up with.

On the upside- I think their Hawaiian

Well, I want to remain anonymous but know that a friend and I have plans to make it uncomfortable again for them. I have signs printed out and ready to go!

I know you want to remain anonymous, I get it. I would like to send you some money to help pay for supplies. I know it can get expensive.

 

[Gardener1850]

Video of Lori and Chad leaving their hotel in Maui. Not sure I can post this, please remove if unacceptable. Lauren Steinbrecher Fox 13

Thanks for finding that! It's totally acceptable here, since Lauren is a journalist we can link to her posts.

Has anyone figured out the hotel yet? Also, not sure if this has been mentioned but they flew to Maui the day before Presidents Day. Monday, Feb 17th was a bank holiday and government offices were closed. The holiday also effected the recycling center hours, the bus schedule and local pools closed Monday and Tuesday in Kauai: Presidents’ Day: Here’s a look at what will be closed on Kauai

Another thing I found interesting is that Maui was called the most expensive place in the US this year to travel for a President's Day weekend vacation: Maui is most expensive Presidents’ Day US destination
Hawaii: Priciest US Destinations for Presidents' Day Weekend Are on Maui

With Valentines Day being Friday, Feb 14th, I'm sure many Americans who had President's Day off from work took Friday off as well and did a 4 day weekend trip somewhere. But Lori and Chad went to Maui at the end of the long weekend (Sunday Feb 16th-Tuesday Feb 18th). Are there last minute hotel deals for Hawaii locals? Otherwise, why travel during peak holiday prices/when many hotels would be booked full? Was Lori unable to cope with her local pool closing for 2 days? Are they trying to show they have money to burn? Or trying to burn through their money more quickly? Or did they meet up with someone who had President's Day off work and was therefore able to sneak off to meet them on Monday without being obvious about it?

MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

You have to be able to reproduce in order to replenish. Seems like Lori is past reproductive age, so not sure why they would be selected as part of 144,000.

But if you are a translated being and immortal you can probably reproduce forever.

 

[Angleterre]

Well, I don't think Lori is a natural blond. Her natural hair color is presumably brown.

So does she have long hair then and it’s very blonde on top and very brown below the shoulder?

 

[jjenny]

But if you are a translated being and immortal you can probably reproduce forever.

Of course. What was I thinking? LOL.

 

[kye0001]

So does she have long hair then and it’s very blonde on top and very brown below the shoulder?

I suspect it’s either extensions or dyed. It used to be fashionable quite a few years ago. MOO

 

[Trask]

Lori has a lot of notebooks/books stored in the seat in front of her. I zoomed in on the storage pockets on the seats in front of L&C trying to get a glimpse of what might be in them, with out any luck. Maybe someone else will have better luck.

There's a laptop, a bottle of Sprite and a ziplock baggie (money or snacks? ). The rest looks like standard airline seatback stuff. I wonder if LE was able to search that laptop or if it's a new acquisition.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

You have to be able to reproduce in order to replenish. Seems like Lori is past reproductive age, so not sure why they would be selected as part of 144,000.

Have you read anywhere about the "reproducing" part of this? I have wondered their thoughts on this and wondered if the believers of this would begin reproducing now?

Fertility meds do wonders. Unless she is missing parts, i would not put reproducing out of the question. I am curious to hear more about this belief. One of my unspoken fears has always been if for some reason Tylee was pregnant and being hidden until after for some weird reason.

 

[tresir2012]

You have to be able to reproduce in order to replenish. Seems like Lori is past reproductive age, so not sure why they would be selected as part of 144,000.

But if you are a translated being and immortal you can probably reproduce forever.

A thought or two about the trip to Maui. Disclaimer I work in finance so while this is MOO its rooted in what I do everyday.

A while back one of our Hawaii posters made some comments about banks that were on Kauai and how there were only a select few, I am assuming this is probably true for financial institutions. So here are my thoughts what if they had to sign a document in person with a bank or financial institution, we have some forms that can not be signed online and have to have a "wet signature" (not electronic real life signature) these are mostly involved with moving money to third parties, transferring accounts, and changing ownership of accounts. I have not done any research on what financial instituions/banks are on Maui vs. Kauai was wondering if any of our lovely Hawaii experts have any insider knowledge on this?

Also if Charles was in the financial industry it would be most advantageous of him based on his income to contribute as much as he could through the household into IRA's and SEP plans to get the deduction. I wouldn't be surprised if Charles was max funding both he and Lori's IRA's/SEP's to get the tax deductions. Also LV is not of the age where she could take money out of her retirement account without being penalized another form that would most likely require an in-person signature.

All this is MOO

Could they even be laundering or collecting money? She did have a big bag of cash as we know. It could also explain them hauling the backpacks and rollers there and back again just for two days.

 

[Gardener1850]

A thought or two about the trip to Maui. Disclaimer I work in finance so while this is MOO its rooted in what I do everyday.

A while back one of our Hawaii posters made some comments about banks that were on Kauai and how there were only a select few, I am assuming this is probably true for financial institutions. So here are my thoughts what if they had to sign a document in person with a bank or financial institution, we have some forms that can not be signed online and have to have a "wet signature" (not electronic real life signature) these are mostly involved with moving money to third parties, transferring accounts, and changing ownership of accounts. I have not done any research on what financial instituions/banks are on Maui vs. Kauai was wondering if any of our lovely Hawaii experts have any insider knowledge on this?

Also if Charles was in the financial industry it would be most advantageous of him based on his income to contribute as much as he could through the household into IRA's and SEP plans to get the deduction. I wouldn't be surprised if Charles was max funding both he and Lori's IRA's/SEP's to get the tax deductions. Also LV is not of the age where she could take money out of her retirement account without being penalized another form that would most likely require an in-person signature.

All this is MOO

Banks were closed for Presidents day on Monday Feb 17th, the main day they were in Maui. They flew in Sunday and flew out again Tuesday on a 2 PM flight. Maybe they could go to the bank Tuesday morning but I'm not sure they had time. MOO.

 

[caseface]

Do they even believe this themselves? They aren't sitting in some bunker with years of canned good supplies, they are island hopping. Supposedly Chad's original vision made him to move to Rexburg. Well, he and Lori aren't in Rexburg anymore.

My opinion is that they believe in what they are doing greatly. At their core psychology, they may be motivated by money, love, sex, etc.; however, their conscious story is that they are leaders within this great movement preparing for the last days. Chad Daybell has spent most of his life talking and writing about his visions. Lori only started acting crazy and doing all this stuff when she began believing all of this. According to the detective that followed them for BB, they are motivated by their religious beliefs. We do not know what their AVOW prophecy is in detail; Chad has "visions" which tell him. They accomplished what they meant to in Rexburg and have moved on to Hawaii. They don't have to survive the catastrophe, they are protected by God in their minds. The canned goods are there for the rebuilding of the earth. They are not run-of-the-mill preppers. They believe they are Gods, translated beings. They are out of touch with reality. What they do does not have to make sense to you and me so we shouldn't always predict their motives or actions based upon the way you and me think. We need to think like them. They follow their lusts and justify them by creating a religious narrative. So, i think there is room for both your perspective and mine here. moo

 

[indicolite22]

Do they even believe this themselves? They aren't sitting in some bunker with years of canned good supplies, they are island hopping. Supposedly Chad's original vision made him to move to Rexburg. Well, he and Lori aren't in Rexburg anymore.

The world isn't going to end for another five months, so they may as well take a vacation. IMO they'll be back when the money runs out.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I don't think Lori worked much so would she even have a retirement account?

If you are smart and want to shelter your tax burden, she would have an IRA. Most couples of a certain income level would put the max in an IRA for each as it is basically tax free money. So she possibly had one, and could have liquidated it.

Lori and Chad seemed to have access to a bunch of cash. Where did it come from? Did Chad get Tammy's life insurance? I don't think Charles had a lot of free money, if 35K Lori took out of business account was going to ruin him. I bet they were spending as fast as Charles was making his money. He took Lori off as his life insurance beneficiary. Could he have done the same with his retirement accounts? You can selected a beneficiary for those as far as I can tell?

I am not aware of IRA's having beneficiaries. But, the would go to the estate to be settled at probate.

One thing we have never considered is did Lori, herself, have a "trust fund"? Or did daddy supply her with money?

My belief is that she "might" have some money in accounts that Charles may not have known about. I think that would be the reason to have multiple venmo accounts. I also think it would not be surprising if she had siphoned money that was part of her "living expenses" that CV would have given her and squirreled away in unknown to him accounts.

And, yes, I bet Chad has Tammy's life insurance money and whatever else he could get his hands on. Do any of his authors have claims against him for unpaid bills?

 

[canyonoflight]

Lori has a lot of notebooks/books stored in the seat in front of her. I zoomed in on the storage pockets on the seats in front of L&C trying to get a glimpse of what might be in them, with out any luck. Maybe someone else will have better luck.

Probably just Sky Mall and Hawaiian tourist pamphlets.

 

[Trask]

DBM

 

[adot0902]

Lori and Chad seemed to have access to a bunch of cash. Where did it come from? Did Chad get Tammy's life insurance? I don't think Charles had a lot of free money, if 35K Lori took out of business account was going to ruin him. I bet they were spending as fast as Charles was making his money. He took Lori off as his life insurance beneficiary. Could he have done the same with his retirement accounts? You can selected a beneficiary for those as far as I can tell?

I don't know that $35k would have ruined him, it's more of a you don't commingle money, so while $35k may have greatly hurt his ability to make payroll without dipping into his own pocket I think it was more of a cash flow thing and less of a business is ruined thing MOO. You'd be really surprised how much money can be made in the financial industry even being a pretty small one man operation can net you millions a year especially if you are selling life insurance and annuities (two products that have very high payout rate to brokers).

Yes you can absolutely change the beneficiary on retirement accounts, BUT if he had opened a retirement account for Lori he could not touch it nor could he change the beneficiary those would be her moneys entirely. Also he could have very easily (assuming it's similar to our software) changed the "signed state" this is the state paperwork is signed in, to a state without community property laws, theoretically he could have driven to that state to sign but no one would really know if he did or not.

 

[OGDiva]

Just a thought- I wonder if the attorney from Idaho flew in to meet them in Maui? I can see them being very paranoid about having phone conversations or communication through email. Would it be possible that they are meeting with an attorney located in Maui? Maybe to assist them in staying in Hawaii rather than have to go back to Idaho? I am not knowledgable in these kinds of legal matters but I think that there are two things that would get them to leave Kauai- money, as the earlier poster in the financial industry stated or legal issues. I think they will do anything to remain there. MOO

 

[j_in_c]

<RSBM>

One thing we have never considered is did Lori, herself, have a "trust fund"? Or did daddy supply her with money?

<RSBM>

In one of the early Hughes videos I believe Kay shared that CV was supporting many members of Lori's family - there was a reference made to him covering the cost of phone plans for an absurd (20?) amount of cell numbers. So you are correct that we don't know anything for sure, but I suspect Lori lived the good life by marrying well, not with any family money.

I suspect you are correct that he would have had quite a bit in IRAs for retirement since he was getting close to an age where he would have been able to retire

I really hope since he changed his life insurance, he also changed the beneficiary on all his retirement accounts.

 

[canyonoflight]

I am actually going to probate court for my mom's will/estate in a little over a week (just putting property in mine and my sister's names so we can sell it as per her wishes). My mom had an IRA but she wanted to use it to pay off her car & a lien on the house both of which she left to me, so I don't know if there were beneficiaries on it; there were on her 401k, though.

 

[jjenny]

Have you read anywhere about the "reproducing" part of this? I have wondered their thoughts on this and wondered if the believers of this would begin reproducing now?

Fertility meds do wonders. Unless she is missing parts, i would not put reproducing out of the question. I am curious to hear more about this belief. One of my unspoken fears has always been if for some reason Tylee was pregnant and being hidden until after for some weird reason.

Lori had a child with husband #2, and husband #3, but not with Charles. Seems clear to me that Charles wanted to have children with Lori (eventually adopting JJ so he and Lori could have a child together). So as far as I can tell, either Lori could (but didn't want to have a child with Charles) or already had trouble reproducing going back years.