Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019

[Jethro4WS]

Found it! Definitely her. You're good, Jethro, glad you joined us here.

Everyone else can search for themselves:
https://search.bexar.org/Case/CaseD...x&fn=Lori&m=&&p=2_1996CI18042++++DC0000100000

ETA: She married the above man in Travis County Texas on 22 Oct 1995.
Divorce filed in Bexar County, TX by 12/17/1996.

In Travis County I found a case - D-1-FM-10-002422 titled IN RE TYLEE ASHLYN RYAN found by searching for Lori Vallow

It was dismissed but I have not figured out what the connection the plaintiff (not last name Ryan) has to Lori (or Tylee). Like I said, I am late to this case.

 

[Gardener1850]

In Travis County I found a case - D-1-FM-10-002422 titled IN RE TYLEE ASHLYN RYAN found by searching for Lori Vallow

It was dismissed but I have not figured out what the connection the plaintiff (not last name Ryan) has to Lori (or Tylee). Like I said, I am late to this case.

We found that already. The man named in that case is Tylee's father and he is deceased as of Apr 2018. He had a heart attack and was cremated so no exhumation of his body can take place.
He reportedly fought for custody of Tylee for several years while Lori moved around with her.

ETA: Wait, I misread. Not last name Ryan? I'll take another look...

ETA2: If you mean the petitioner with the last name Hays he is a lawyer. Most likely JA Ryan's Lawyer IMO.

 

[Cryptic]

Also, someone mentioned them marrying in the temple. I am not familiar with LDS or Mormon. Would marrying in the temple be easy to do for Lori because she obviously had been divorced twice?

A Mormon friend once explained to me that Mormons have an annulment process. She completed it following her divorce to enable her to be re-married in a Mormon temple and described the process as taking up to a year and requiring a considerable amount of personal participation.

Though she did not say anything about annulments after two divorces, an annulment declares that a valid marriage did not exist. Therefore, multiple annulments are possible- well, at least in theory.

 

[Gardener1850]

A Mormon friend once explained to me that Mormons have an annulment process. She completed it following her divorce to enable her to be re-married in a Mormon temple and described the process as taking up to a year and requiring a considerable amount of personal participation.

Though she did not say anything about annulments after two divorces, an annulment declares that a valid marriage did not exist. Therefore, multiple annulments are possible- well, at least in theory.

I don't think she was a practicing Morman so it doesn't really matter but if the rules for annulment are the same as other churches (no consummation of the marriage) she wouldn't qualify. She had children with all 3 former husbands that I have found so far. Which leads me to a new terrifying thought-- I hope she is not pregnant with Chad's baby. She's 46 so it may be a slim chance but not impossible... MOO.

 

[MrsWatson]

I don't think she was a practicing Morman so it doesn't really matter but if the rules for annulment are the same as other churches (no consummation of the marriage) she wouldn't qualify. She had children with all 3 former husbands that I have found so far. Which leads me to a new terrifying thought-- I hope she is not pregnant with Chad's baby. She's 46 so it may be a slim chance but not impossible... MOO.

Joshua was adopted IIRC.

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

We're on the same page. I also noticed on Lori's that one of them said "Medicine". I wonder if Joshua was on any medications? Or Tylee?

I had been speculating those those Venmo transactions were made to an adult brother and the payment had been to help pay for his medicine needed at his location? But who knows, it's challenging to try and make heads or tails of this very convoluted situation.

Missing siblings believed to be in danger after suspicious death of stepfather’s former wife

thank goodness, this is now on CNN:
2 Idaho children went missing weeks before their stepfather's former wife was found dead - CNN

 

[Gardener1850]

Joshua was adopted IIRC.

Oh yes I forgot. You are absolutely correct. But that doesn't really matter in the context of discussing annulments/divorces, since the adoptive father was shot to death before he and Lori could divorce. So far we know about 2 marriages that ended in divorce and a 3rd one ending in death. Her marriage to Chad is the 4th marriage that we know about but I think there might have been a man before the 2 divorces because she has at least 4 children.

To recap there is:
Man number 1 - Baby daddy while Lori was a teenager (not sure if they married/divorced as I haven't found him yet)
Man number 2 - Lori got pregnant in 1995, they married, she had the baby, they divorced in late 1996.
Man number 3 - Father of missing girl Tylee. Not sure when they married but I'm guessing around 2002. Divorced around 2006 (?) and he died in 2018.
Man number 4 - Adoptive father of missing boy JJ. He was shot to death while estranged from Lori in July 2019.
Man number 5 - Chad Daybell who's wife of nearly 30 years ,Tammy, died under mysterious circumstances in October 2019.

(Forgive the use of numbers instead of names for the men in Lori's life but I don't want to get in trouble again for sleuthing her ex's-- only half of the names have been in the MSM and the rules are we can't name them here if they haven't been named in MSM. I'm only trying to sleuth Lori and her past relationship record as I believe it to be relevant in regards to what is happening today-- two missing children and a newlywed couple of recent widows on the run. MOO.)

 

[MrsWatson]

I'm glad you're keeping track @Gardener1850 because she had an sure had an active romantic life. Always the bride, never the bridesmaid?

 

[mmmirele]

Chad Daybell was/is a publisher of many niche books for the Mormon market. He ran Spring Creek Book Company.

Spring Creek Book Company

The website us not all that great, as it doesn't give an idea of some of his more popular publications. He had some prophecy books that he published. A couple were by Julie Rowe, who was apparently excommunicated from the Mormon Church earlier this year. Another "prophet" was Hector Sosa. Better to go to Amazon, look up Julie Rowe and see what books/authors are linked to her. My search yesterday found several published by Spring Creek/Chad Daybell.

Hope this helps on giving a background on Daybell.

 

[Gardener1850]

I'm glad you're keeping track @Gardener1850 because she had an sure had an active romantic life. Always the bride, never the bridesmaid?

Lol. Never heard it put that way before! I need to dig into their cult beliefs more but I just don't have the time nor patience to listen to the podcasts. I can't figure out what could have attracted Lori and Chad to each other as on the surface they have nothing in common in terms of life experiences and relationship experience. It must be the religious stuff that connected them. MOO.

 

[kittythehare]

This is the first time I've been on Web Sleuths, so sorry if I screw this up somehow. This case has absolutely captured my attention. I really hope that the children are found safe.

I am a podcast listener, so I decided to listen to Lori's and I was shocked at one of the comments Lori Vallow makes in an early episode of the Time to Warrior Up Podcast Ep. 2

around min 24:30 one of the host's asks Lori, what her rock bottom moment was, and Lori states: "I had decided that I was either going to kill someone who had wronged me, or I was going to turn my life to the temple."

At around min 33:50 She also talks about forgiving her ex husband who she insinuates abused her children. Based on her comments it sounds like she is speaking about Tylee's father.

Preparing A People Podcast - 02 - Time to Warrior Up - Find Your Closet

Great find, absolutely great. Thank you and welcome.

 

[carbuff]

What were the results of the autopsy? Waiting on labs?

It looks like nobody answered this yet--I presume something along those lines is why there hasn't been any news. Toxicology screening has taken about a month in other cases I've seen. But LE is being pretty tight lipped about her autopsy and about the brother's death. There are some rumors but not much in the media.

I can't find for sure whether there was an autopsy when she died. One article mentioned there was, but the article seems to have been "updated" and some of the information is gone. Nothing else mentions it either way. In most jurisdictions, an unexpected death of a previously healthy person is an automatic autopsy, but they don't always do the more extensive toxicology screening if there's no reason to suspect drugs, meds, or poison.

 

[Steelslady]

What sickens me is that Chad was married for over 30 years to his wife Tammy and suddenly she dies, then he gets married two weeks after she died to Lori? Yeah, nothing suspicious about that. I feel for Tammy and Chad's adult children (no names due to privacy)- that has to be positively upsetting news to hear that your Mom's death is now considered suspicious, to the point where they exhumed her body. They've gone through enough with the unexpected loss of their mother. I can't get them off of my mind as well as Joshua and Tylee, who possibly witnessed at least one violent death.

 

[jjenny]

It looks like nobody answered this yet--I presume something along those lines is why there hasn't been any news. Toxicology screening has taken about a month in other cases I've seen. But LE is being pretty tight lipped about her autopsy and about the brother's death. There are some rumors but not much in the media.

I can't find for sure whether there was an autopsy when she died. One article mentioned there was, but the article seems to have been "updated" and some of the information is gone. Nothing else mentions it either way. In most jurisdictions, an unexpected death of a previously healthy person is an automatic autopsy, but they don't always do the more extensive toxicology screening if there's no reason to suspect drugs, meds, or poison.

I don't think she had any autopsy when she died. It was just assumed "natural causes" as far as I can tell.
"When Tammy Daybell died at the age of 49 in October, doctors at the time said it was from “natural causes.” She was buried in Springville, Utah three days later. Police later determined that her death may have been suspicious and exhumed her remains to conduct an autopsy on Dec. 11."
Family members say mother of missing children in Rexburg joined a dangerous cult with new husband

 

[jjenny]

Another article on Tammy's death. I bet somebody later contacted police to tell them that death was suspicious, but it sounds like initially it was just assumed to be natural causes.
"The Fremont County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the death of 49-year-old Tammy Daybell. Daybell, who had worked as a school librarian in Rexburg and Sugar City, was found deceased in her home Oct. 19, and her death was initially believed to be from natural causes, according to a Rexburg Police Department news release. She was buried in Springville, Utah, on Oct. 22, but a later investigation by the sheriff’s office revealed the death might be suspicious."
Police searching for Idaho children believed to be in serious danger - KTVZ

 

[jjenny]

What sickens me is that Chad was married for over 30 years to his wife Tammy and suddenly she dies, then he gets married two weeks after she died to Lori? Yeah, nothing suspicious about that. I feel for Tammy and Chad's adult children (no names due to privacy)- that has to be positively upsetting news to hear that your Mom's death is now considered suspicious, to the point where they exhumed her body. They've gone through enough with the unexpected loss of their mother. I can't get them off of my mind as well as Joshua and Tylee, who possibly witnessed at least one violent death.

Yea, when somebody is married for 30 years, and spouse dies suddenly, you'd presumably expect more than 2 weeks between their next marriage.

 

[Gardener1850]

An Idaho couple wed just weeks after the groom's wife died in suspicious circumstances. Now they're wanted for questioning after the bride's 2 kids were reported missing.

 

[noassnancy]

There’s been speculation that Lori has a daughter in her late twenties, based on an Instagram post where Lori wishes a young woman a happy birthday. I’m pretty sure that’s the niece. DailyMail has photos of Brandon’s wedding day. I think Lori has three children, not four.

 

[Beth11311]

A Mormon friend once explained to me that Mormons have an annulment process. She completed it following her divorce to enable her to be re-married in a Mormon temple and described the process as taking up to a year and requiring a considerable amount of personal participation.

Though she did not say anything about annulments after two divorces, an annulment declares that a valid marriage did not exist. Therefore, multiple annulments are possible- well, at least in theory.

It is probably different in this radical sect that they are a part of but in the LDS church, divorce is highly frowned upon, and marriages take place in the temple - and only active members of a certain age etc. are allowed to be there. They generally hold a reception afterwards. The husband and wife are "sealed" in the temple in a secret ceremony of some sort (I'm not Mormom so I've never been allowed to see one). This sealing ensures that your spouse and children are connected to you for lack of a better word and that 'families are forever' (a popular phrase in the LDS church) which means that when you die, you and your family will essentially have your own planet in the celestial kingdom. Read more here: Mormon temple sealing

 

[kittythehare]

I think Chad was married to Tammy for 30 years. Yet two weeks after Tammy supposedly died in her sleep (which apparently was just accepted as natural death, no investigation or autopsy done at the time as far as I can tell), Chad is already remarried? Isn't that a very short time after a long marriage, to already remarry? That alone should have raised suspicions. And never mind Tammy was reportedly healthy and fit woman, there seem to be no reason for her to die in her sleep suddenly. I think a ball was dropped here.

Looks that way.
Are those autopsy reports in the public domain or will they be withheld pending an arrest?