GUILTY ID - Robert Manwill, 8, Boise, 24 July 2009 - #6

[Crosby87]

Two jurors say Daniel Ehrlick was convicted by his own words

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/...-by-his-own-words.html#storylink=omni_popular

 

[Crosby87]

Daniel Ehrlick cried after the verdict was read. Now the trial is in the pre-sentencing phase to determine appropriate sentence. Ehrlick will be in court next for sentencing on Friday, September 2nd at 9am. The Judge before she dismissed the jury said the members of the jury are welcome to attend.

http://www.ktvb.com/video/featured-...y-after-verdict-is-handed-down-124831774.html

 

[Crosby87]

Was that Friday evening the girl was with Robert? Daniel said he cooked supper and Robert was gone when he called him in to eat. So if Robert ate oatmeal for lunch there shouldn't have been any oatmeal found in his stomach.

The true reason Jenkins can’t say who she aided and abetted is because she didn’t IMO.

Right after the public learned Jenkins was convicted for hurting her infant son, Jenkins and Ehrlick became the main suspects.

Here is what I believe happened to Robert. Robert was an attractive and outgoing boyand Friday evening when he was outside alone, a male SO approached Robert and convinced him to come for a ride in his truck. Robert went willingly and his captor took Robert to his place where he lived alone in a neighboring community so he could party with him and do as he pleased over the weekend. If this person had a job to return to on Monday he likely wanted to dispose of his body Sunday evening because he realized if he left Robert alone during the day while he was at work, he would escape and Robert would be able to identify him. To solve his problem, he took Robert to the canal Sunday evening and drowned him.

Robert was 8 years old and his captor realized if he released Robert he would be found and persecuted so this is why he murdered Robert.

 

[Crosby87]

Why didn't the FBI administer a lie detector test to Ehrlick and Jenkins to eliminate them as suspects.

Was the DNA found on the rock tested to see if it matched the DNA of any RSO who lived within commuting distance of the apartment complex?

 

[Crosby87]

I don’t believe Ehrlick was a violent man.

Ehrlick supported Jenkins on a daily basis when she was hospitalized and the boy Ehrlick immediately adopted was born on St. Valentine’s Day. Ehrlick loved being a father and his nickname was “Mr. Mom”.

Ehrlick Sr. said Aidan's presence inspired changes in his son. Instead of hanging out with his old cronies, Sundays meant barbecues and family gatherings at Ehrlick Sr.'s home near Bannock and 30th streets.

Danny didn’t commit any crimes while he was raising his son and Ehrlick said Robert called him “dad”.

Carol Carrillo, another upstairs neighbor who became close friends with Jenkins, said she trusted them both with her children. She said the couple worked hard to get Aidan back after Jenkins was convicted of injuring him.

She said Jenkins was very concerned for the safety of both of their kids. Carrillo remembers Jenkins getting on someone's case when they tried to pick up Carrillo's kids with a car that didn't have enough seatbelts for all the children.

Carrillo said Jenkins was strict with Robert. The boy wasn't allowed to go beyond the playground behind their apartment building - if he did, he got grounded. He wouldn't go into Carrillo's apartment without first asking his mother's permission.

"I never saw them be mean to the kids," said her 12-year-old daughter, Jennifer. "I went to their house all the time."

Jenkins cousin and brother-in-law came over twice when Jenkins called for help and the cousin said Ehrlick hadn’t laid a finger on Jenkins and no charges were laid because there was no evidence that a crime had occurred. Daniel’s father said “The one thing I can say is I’ve never seen Danny be physical with Robert. That was always left up to Melissa.”

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2009/08/19/869934/first-degree-murder-robert-manwills.html

 

[Idaho-native]

Was that Friday evening the girl was with Robert? Daniel said he cooked supper and Robert was gone when he called him in to eat. So if Robert ate oatmeal for lunch there shouldn't have been any oatmeal found in his stomach.

Yes it was Friday evening. I think that is the point prosecution was trying to make about the oatmeal that was found in his stomach.

The true reason Jenkins can’t say who she aided and abetted is because she didn’t IMO.

Then why would she have taken the plea deal for up to 25 years? Especially knowing that Daniel was going to trial. If they were both innocent then I think its possible attorneys for both sides would have worked together to prove it and she wouldn't have taken a deal. Remember because Gus Cayhill is a public defender the state would have had to hire her an outside attorney because of the conflict of interest. Not sure who her attorney is, but its not likely a run of the mill public defender.

Here is what I believe happened to Robert. Robert was an attractive and outgoing boy and Friday evening when he was outside alone, a male SO approached Robert and convinced him to come for a ride in his truck. Robert went willingly and his captor took Robert to his place where he lived alone in a neighboring community so he could party with him and do as he pleased over the weekend. If this person had a job to return to on Monday he likely wanted to dispose of his body Sunday evening because he realized if he left Robert alone during the day while he was at work, he would escape and Robert would be able to identify him. To solve his problem, he took Robert to the canal Sunday evening and drowned him.

Robert was 8 years old and his captor realized if he released Robert he would be found and persecuted so this is why he murdered Robert.

Again I ask off all those kids that live at that apartment complex why Robert? There are tons of attractive kids there including other little boys. You mentioned him being approached outside when he was alone. Keep in mind again the size of this complex and the amount of people running around. 1)someone would have seen something and 2) nobody is ever alone around there on a hot summer day or evening. I can't tell you how many times my 12 year old who only goes over there a few weeks in the summer time tells me how she knows everyone there and everyone knows everyone. Even me who spends no real time over there recognized so many names that testified from there just from hearing them through my family.

 

[Crosby87]

A boy near Robert’s age testified during Ehrlick’s trial so why didn’t the Defense find a way for the girl who was with Robert Friday evening around 7 pm to also?

Ehrlick’s attorney failed to uncover pertinent facts from Ehrlick while he was on the stand. Ehrlick should have been asked to talk about any and all of the injuries Robert got through playing sports and what Robert ate at meal times and for snacks throughout the day.

I think Ehrlick’s past criminal history was irrelevant to this case and should not have been allowed in. He did not commit a crime while the baby was in his custody because he was his primary caregiver and he was deeply invested in his child’s future yet his attorney never impressed this upon the jury during his closing arguments. According to Ehrlick he didn’t finish his parenting classes because he had to leave the child with a licensed babysitter and he didn’t have one. Because the caseworker failed to state this on the stand she mislead the jury into believing Ehrlick acted irresponsibly. Ehrlick’s attorney knew why Ehrlick didn’t finish the classes so he should have had the caseworker admit the truth during cross-examination.

Mistakes commonly occur in the medical and legal professions and reports are falsified.
Many parents are falsely accused and convicted for injuring their child when it was actually a medical condition that caused their death. All babies have a soft spot on their heads so it is possible hypothetically that Jenkins was falsely accused and convicted for hurting her infant. A nurse testified that parents who abuse their children don’t seek medical help and if that is true, why did Jenkins take her baby to the hospital? The soft spot on a baby’s head occurs from travelling down the birth canal AFAIK so if the baby was born as a result of a natural child birth, it is possible Jenkins didn’t intentionally injure her son and Jenkins pled guilty because she didn’t know this or she didn’t know how to apply this information to argue the case the state brought against her and neither did her lawyer.

Most people can’t understand medical and legal terminology and feel lost so they let others who “know better” make decisions for them. I suspect this was the case with Jenkins and Ehrlick.

IMO the ways in which Robert was disciplined do not rise to the level of torture and Jenkins isn’t guilty of aiding and abetting Ehrlick because he isn’t responsible for Robert’s death.
There was talk the police found a large quantity of Robert's blood splattered throughout the apartment and this information would definitely stop people from calling in tips and pursuring other leads.

 

[Crosby87]

If the girl saw Robert alive Friday evening, then there is no way Jenkins was involved in disposing of her son’s body.

What was Robert doing outside at 7 pm?

Did anyone hear Ehrlick call Robert in for supper when she went back outside?

Did any of Mr. Ehrlick’s attorneys interview this girl?

I believe I’ve only seen the apartment complex on a map so I don’t know what it really looks like.

I heard of a case where a military member disappeared while jogging with his troop and no one saw where he went. A lot of people disappear in broad daylight and many are abducted from shopping mall parking lots.

 

[georgiajean]

Neither Erhlick or Jenkins can be trusted to tell the truth.
When Erhlick says he took Robert skateboarding or swimming, what that most likely means is that he went ONCE. In his mind, he intended to go again, Robert probably asked to go again on numerous occasions, and the fact that they went once enables Erhlick to say he took Robert skateboarding and swimming often that summer. It's classic dysfunctional/addict mental logic.

Nothing Erhlick or Jenkins said can be taken as logical truth. There is a kernel of truth in there somewhere, but they both are so used to projecting whatever will get them what they want that the true truth is non-existent.

I was in Boise that summer. I helped in the searches. I met Robert's real father, and I met Robert's grandfather (Erhlick Sr.). These families were truly devastated by Robert's loss and death.

I wish we had learned the following from this trial, and I don't understand why we didn't:
What was the search of the property in south Boise all about? The property belonged to friends of Erhlick and Jenkins. What did LE find there? Was there a shallow grave or evidence that Robert had been buried there before being put in the canal?

 

[georgiajean]

A boy near Robert’s age testified during Ehrlick’s trial so why didn’t the Defense find a way for the girl who was with Robert Friday evening around 7 pm to also?

Ehrlick’s attorney failed to uncover pertinent facts from Ehrlick while he was on the stand. Ehrlick should have been asked to talk about any and all of the injuries Robert got through playing sports and what Robert ate at meal times and for snacks throughout the day.

I think Ehrlick’s past criminal history was irrelevant to this case and should not have been allowed in. He did not commit a crime while the baby was in his custody because he was his primary caregiver and he was deeply invested in his child’s future yet his attorney never impressed this upon the jury during his closing arguments. According to Ehrlick he didn’t finish his parenting classes because he had to leave the child with a licensed babysitter and he didn’t have one. Because the caseworker failed to state this on the stand she mislead the jury into believing Ehrlick acted irresponsibly. Ehrlick’s attorney knew why Ehrlick didn’t finish the classes so he should have had the caseworker admit the truth during cross-examination.

Mistakes commonly occur in the medical and legal professions and reports are falsified.
Many parents are falsely accused and convicted for injuring their child when it was actually a medical condition that caused their death. All babies have a soft spot on their heads so it is possible hypothetically that Jenkins was falsely accused and convicted for hurting her infant. A nurse testified that parents who abuse their children don’t seek medical help and if that is true, why did Jenkins take her baby to the hospital? The soft spot on a baby’s head occurs from travelling down the birth canal AFAIK so if the baby was born as a result of a natural child birth, it is possible Jenkins didn’t intentionally injure her son and Jenkins pled guilty because she didn’t know this or she didn’t know how to apply this information to argue the case the state brought against her and neither did her lawyer.

Most people can’t understand medical and legal terminology and feel lost so they let others who “know better” make decisions for them. I suspect this was the case with Jenkins and Ehrlick.

IMO the ways in which Robert was disciplined do not rise to the level of torture and Jenkins isn’t guilty of aiding and abetting Ehrlick because he isn’t responsible for Robert’s death.
There was talk the police found a large quantity of Robert's blood splattered throughout the apartment and this information would definitely stop people from calling in tips and pursuring other leads.

I strongly disagree.
Jenkins and Ehrlick were not victims in this case. Robert was the victim, and both Jenkins and Ehrlick are paying for their roles in Robert's death.

 

[SuziQ]

Idaho man gets life for killing 8-year-old boy

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...o-boy-killed-man-gets-life.html#ixzz1WqqO1dER

 

[georgiajean]

From Idaho Statesman:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/02/1783399/melissa-jenkins-sentenced-to-25.html

Jenkins sentenced to 25 years.
Ehrlick to life without possibility of parole. Ehrlick continues to maintain his innocence.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

JUSTICE! Yes!!!!

Case archive is all updated tonight:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Robert Manwill -ID-/

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

As the grandparents of Robert Manwill, we want to thank the community of Boise for the love, care and support you have shown our family over the past two years since the passing of our dear grandson, Robert. We, too, have wanted justice for Robert and believe that the Sept. 2 sentences are the first step in that process. This has been a very difficult time for our family. As you might imagine, no one ever wants to think that their own family member is involved in something as horrendous as this. We will not offer excuses for Melissa, and we are so sorry in many, many different ways. We, too, want answers to the same questions that many of you are asking.

Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/18/1803381/as-a-community-we-can-prevent.html#ixzz1YKYLexHX

 

[georgiajean]

As the grandparents of Robert Manwill, we want to thank the community of Boise for the love, care and support you have shown our family over the past two years since the passing of our dear grandson, Robert. We, too, have wanted justice for Robert and believe that the Sept. 2 sentences are the first step in that process. This has been a very difficult time for our family. As you might imagine, no one ever wants to think that their own family member is involved in something as horrendous as this. We will not offer excuses for Melissa, and we are so sorry in many, many different ways. We, too, want answers to the same questions that many of you are asking.

Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/18/1803381/as-a-community-we-can-prevent.html#ixzz1YKYLexHX

Thank you for posting this article. I had missed it. Really good information and food for thought.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Thank you for posting this article. I had missed it. Really good information and food for thought.

You're welcome I agree, good information.


I probably would have missed it too. (I think it popped up on my twitter feed)

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Ugh.

Usually monsters in prison is a feel-good story when they have participated in child torture and murder....

But this freak is having the best time of her life.

While the tapes of Jenkins' phone conversations were over 12 hours long, the attached video shows some important insights into Jenkins' state of mind.
http://www.kivitv.com/news/local/153435505.html


Here's a link to the entire Case Archive, with the trial archived day by day:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Robert Manwill -ID-/

My synopsis- one of the freak's phone calls-
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...action=view&current=052312Melissa-ILOVEIT.jpg

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Melissa Jenkins is seeking relief from prison.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/09/15/2272593/melissa-jenkins-wants-relief-from.html

Now it appears that Jenkins has changed her mind about the spirit of the “no appeals” agreement, filing a petition with the 4th District court in late August for “post-conviction relief,” saying her attorneys, Rob Chastain and Deb Kristal (who are certified with the Idaho Supreme Court to be lead and co-counsel for capital cases), did not do a good enough job on her case.
Among the claims made in the petition, Jenkins says her attorneys did not tell her about important DNA evidence that would have exonerated her, didn’t do a good enough job of presenting mitigating evidence during her sentencing hearing, and didn’t fight hard enough to move her trial out of Ada County.
Post-conviction relief is not a criminal appeal so it is allowed under Jenkins’ plea agreement.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Remembering Robert Manwill

Four years!

I was shocked to realize it has almost been that long since we learned of the disappearance and death of Robert Manwill.

[snip]

It’s the Artists for Kids/Robert Manwill Event to be held April 20th, 2013 in New Plymouth.

The day will begin at Kiwanis Park in New Plymouth with the Manwill Mile at 10am for local children in kindergarten through 5th grade followed by the 5K Robert's Run at 10:30 for all ages.

[snip]

* The Senior Center will be hosting a BBQ from 11am-1pm
* The Artists for Kids/Robert Manwill auction will begin at 6pm.
*100% of the profits from the sale of the artwork will go directly into a scholarship fund in Robert Manwill's name.

http://www.ktvb.com/community/blogs/carolyn-holly/Remembering-Robert-Manwill-201493751.html

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Artists remember Robert Manwill with silent auction

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/04/09/2526324/artists-remember-robert-manwill.html#storylink=cpy