ID ID - Tyler Thoroman, 21, Twin Falls County, 17 April 2010

  • #21
All of the quotes below are respectfully snipped from nmr:

That's definitely another possibility, though I don't know why he would've been driving out in that area late at night.

Yeah, this only makes sense if the phonecall his mom overheard was from a legitimate friend and they made some sort of plans to meet up that night and then he was flagged down by the stranger on his way to meet the friend.

If he knew he was going out there, it seems odd that he drove all the way to Walmart, which is on the north end of town, and then drove all the way back south toward Nevada, rather than just stopping at a gas station on the way. Walmart was pretty out of his way.

Wow, nmr, that's a really great point! Being from further north, I tend to get all turned around down there, and often mix up east and west as well as the names of towns in my head. I keeping picturing Kimberly as being where Jerome is. So I was thinking Walmart is on the way from Jerome (which I was thinking was Kimberly) to the Salmon Dam area. But if Walmart is totally out of the way, which I now realize it is, then it doesn't make sense that he went there knowing that he was headed to the Salmon Dam area. The only reason I can think of would be that he couldn't find anywhere else open at the time. I'm not sure if this is the case - maybe some locals could chime in if they know of other locations where gas cans could be purchased after 11:00 PM.

It seems strange that they know for sure about the gas can but not anything else.

That does seem strange. I wonder if they do know about other things, but are only picking and choosing what information to give the family. That would not surprise me.

Also, you mentioned self checkout at Walmart. It's been a few weeks since I've been there, but I don't remember there being a self checkout option there. Am I remembering incorrectly?

...did he ever even fill the gas tank with gas? He could have paid with cash, but as far as I know, all the gas stations in Twin Falls are pre-pay after dark, so it would've been inconvenient to pay with cash

I would think that even if he paid with cash, he would have been caught on a security camera. I'm not sure, but I would think that most gas stations have cameras...
 
  • #22
The only reason I can think of would be that he couldn't find anywhere else open at the time. I'm not sure if this is the case - maybe some locals could chime in if they know of other locations where gas cans could be purchased after 11:00 PM.

I'm not super familiar with the area Tyler lived, but I'll do some research and see what I can find. I lived in the northwest part of town when I lived there, but I know there were at least a couple gas stations around there that were open either really late or all night.

Also, you mentioned self checkout at Walmart. It's been a few weeks since I've been there, but I don't remember there being a self checkout option there. Am I remembering incorrectly?

Hmm...I've only been to the Twin Falls one a couple times since it's pretty new, but I thought there were self-checkouts at all Walmarts. I'll also look into that.

I would think that even if he paid with cash, he would have been caught on a security camera. I'm not sure, but I would think that most gas stations have cameras...

I would definitely think so too, but maybe they just haven't asked any/many/the right gas stations to check, especially if it didn't show up on his debit card transactions. Or, if someone was with him, that person may have purchased the gas.

I'll try to look into some of these things today and report back! Thanks to everyone, especially Cosmictadpole and Mjolnir, for all your help with this. I don't know if anyone will ever know exactly what happened unless someone confesses, but at least we can try to make some sort of sense of all this.
 
  • #23
This is interesting, though likely unrelated: http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12495022.

From the article:
LAUGHLIN, Nev. (AP) -- Police are investigating the discovery of a charred corpse in the driver's seat of a burned-out car outside the Colorado River resort town of Laughlin.

What I find interesting about this article is that the burning car was discovered by an officer on patrol early on a Sunday morning, in what sounds like a fairly rural area, just a month after Tyler was found. I realize that Laughlin is a long ways away from where Tyler was found, but Interstate 93 (which is 1.5 miles from where Tyler was found) goes all the way through Nevada where it turns into Interstate 95. I-95 meets up with Highway 163, which takes you to Laughlin. It's pretty much a straight shot.

In my search for info, I've found that there are many cases of bodies being found in burned cars - at an alarming frequency, and all over the country. So it would be difficult to find a correlation between some of these cases without some very specific commonalities. However, I thought the above-mentioned details made this article worth considering.
 
  • #24
This is interesting, though likely unrelated: http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12495022.

From the article:


What I find interesting about this article is that the burning car was discovered by an officer on patrol early on a Sunday morning, in what sounds like a fairly rural area, just a month after Tyler was found. I realize that Laughlin is a long ways away from where Tyler was found, but Interstate 93 (which is 1.5 miles from where Tyler was found) goes all the way through Nevada where it turns into Interstate 95. I-95 meets up with Highway 163, which takes you to Laughlin. It's pretty much a straight shot.

In my search for info, I've found that there are many cases of bodies being found in burned cars - at an alarming frequency, and all over the country. So it would be difficult to find a correlation between some of these cases without some very specific commonalities. However, I thought the above-mentioned details made this article worth considering.

As you note, the frequency of burned car stories is alarming. To me, such homicides suggest at least some short-range planning (finding a remote area; an unobserved getaway by walking or driving), but not much intelligence. Perhaps it evidences that the killer rode in the victim's car and was aware that it would contain forensic evidence; that would perhaps heighten the possibility that the murderer would have a criminal trail.

By definition, murderers are callous, but to me at least, there is something especially cynically pragmatic and opportunistic about this variety of homicide.

One only hopes that the "person of interest" can be tracked down.
 
  • #25
Tyler had been meeting a lot of new people the week or so before he disappeared. One of them is probably responsible for this tragedy, though it could just as easily be some random act of violence by some unknown person. In any case, Tyler was in a great mood, had lots of plans for the future, both near and far, and was really enjoying life. It's completely incomprehensible to us that it could be a suicide. There's simply not much evidence, because it was all so effectively destroyed. It seems like someone just tried to make it look like a suicide.

(BBM)

I'm sorry if this is an old question, but why/where was he meeting all of these new people? I think it's almost always more likely to be someone known, even if just a little, than a random attack.

Also do you have any way of logging into his game to ask his online friends if he mentioned anything? I think you're onto something there, even if he just said something quick like "gotta go meet x... seeya" or whatever. Are they solely online acquaintances, or does he have an IRL friend that was also a gamer that might have an account there that you could use to ask? Or can you create an account on that particular gaming site and checkout his profile to see who he communicated with regularly to see if you could contact them through that same vector? I'm just brainstorming, I don't know much at all about online gaming or MMORPGs etc.

Your family is in my thoughts during this difficult time. :hug:
 
  • #26
(BBM)
I'm sorry if this is an old question, but why/where was he meeting all of these new people? I think it's almost always more likely to be someone known, even if just a little, than a random attack.

I know he went to a church dance on Friday night, just a day before he disappeared, and met some new people there, including a girl he may have been interested in. I don't think that a church dance would tend to attract the vengeful type, but you never know. A friend of mine who was interviewed (the friend he had plans with that Sunday and spoke with at 10:30 on Saturday night) mentioned that he was asked by detectives if Tyler had any enemies or if any of the girls he met at the dance might have had vengeful boyfriends. I don't think they ever came up with any leads on that. Other than that, I'm not sure, but maybe Mjolnir can give us more insight next time he logs in.
 
  • #27
I know he went to a church dance on Friday night, just a day before he disappeared, and met some new people there, including a girl he may have been interested in. I don't think that a church dance would tend to attract the vengeful type, but you never know. A friend of mine who was interviewed (the friend he had plans with that Sunday and spoke with at 10:30 on Saturday night) mentioned that he was asked by detectives if Tyler had any enemies or if any of the girls he met at the dance might have had vengeful boyfriends. I don't think they ever came up with any leads on that. Other than that, I'm not sure, but maybe Mjolnir can give us more insight next time he logs in.

Yeah, of all the places to meet a killer, a church dance sounds pretty low on the list.

I can't figure out why this case was kept so quiet, I hadn't even heard about it until it was bumped up yesterday. Unless LE is adamant that silence is necessary (and I can't imagine why) I would start calling all the usual places trying to get this out there. JVM, NG, local news channels, etc. National news isn't likely to produce many viable leads, but it will put public pressure on local LE to step up the game.
 
  • #28
Yeah, of all the places to meet a killer, a church dance sounds pretty low on the list.

I can't figure out why this case was kept so quiet, I hadn't even heard about it until it was bumped up yesterday. Unless LE is adamant that silence is necessary (and I can't imagine why) I would start calling all the usual places trying to get this out there. JVM, NG, local news channels, etc. National news isn't likely to produce many viable leads, but it will put public pressure on local LE to step up the game.

I think that with law enforcement, silence is often the default mode. That's not necessarily bad: It could even mean that they are not at a stage of diminishing returns. Or it could mean that they have concluded that it was a random act by a stranger or near-stranger.

The possible connection to the other burned car death might provide a reason for the media leverage that you are suggesting.
 
  • #29
Lots to catch up on here. Let's see if I can answer a few questions before I have to go.

I asked my mother, and she's not really sure about his alarm clock habits, but it seems most likely that at least in this case, he set it in relation to making plans for the next day. I do know that his alarm has to be turned off to stop it, but retains the time it's set for, and just has to be turned back on again to set it.

It also seems strange that the police haven't been able to tell you who unknown phone number belonged to. The fact that they seemed surprised that the number was not one of yours would indicate to me that it was someone Tyler talked to frequently. It's also REALLY odd that it's missing from the phone records.
I get the impression that they're more unwilling than unable to tell us who the phone number belongs to, but it's also possible that it's a public pay phone. Without knowing the number, it's hard to say. Tyler would have been able to tell a lot about the number, just from the number: he had to research phone systems and such for a computer program he wrote for his job. My parents have asked the phone company, and the police, and both claim there are no calls in that time period. Whether that's the truth, or they're lying to us, I don't know. I think it's possible that there was someone else in Tyler's room that he was talking to; I don't know why my mother is convinced it was a phone call. We haven't had a landline for a couple years now.

What we know about the gas can is from the coroner. Once again, the police are unwilling to tell us anything. My mother remembers the coroner telling her that Tyler was seen leaving the Walmart parking lot, with a gas can. Thinking about it, I don't actually know whether this is the Twin Falls Walmart, or the Jerome Walmart. It's been implied that he was alone at that point, but we don't know for sure. Also, as far as we know, he didn't purchase any gas, and I don't believe he could have using cash at that time of night, in Twin Falls. What does a person do with a gas can, but no gas? I don't know. Maybe he was going to purchase gas, and was killed in between Walmart and the gas station. There are a lot of good questions here that I hope the police have taken into account, but we should raise with them if they're ever willing to discuss the case with us.

I was wondering how quickly they were able to find the footage of Tyler at Walmart, as that might give us some answers about the case.
I believe, but am not certain, that they were led to the Walmart footage by his bank transactions.

Also, one thing that sticks out in my mind from when I was questioned is all the strange questions I was asked. They asked me a lot about what house he was living in when I was close friends with him, if it was under construction, how many siblings he had, etc. Just really strange things that I assume your family had already told them.
The police don't seem to trust us. They've somehow gotten a bad impression of us, or maybe they're just being careful. They've asked bizarre questions, and started bizarre rumors. We've lived in a number of different houses in the area, and have built two of them, including the current one, which is still under construction. When they came to our house, they were acting like they expected people to jump out at them from the walls or something. They wanted to know exactly how many people were in the house, who they were, and why they were there.

The "person of interest" was a hitchhiker. I don't know how they're involved in the case, whether they reported seeing the car, or were just in the area at the time. They're probably long gone. I just wonder how they reported anything about the case, and not have been retained for questioning... Unless they made a phone call, and that's actually the number the police were looking into, and won't tell us anything about.

Or, I don't know if this is something Tyler would do, but what if he was driving and a stranger flagged him down and said they'd run out of gas and asked if he could get some for them while they stayed with their car? I realize this is less likely than the first scenario, but what if the stranger seemed non-threatening (a female for example), and gave Tyler some money to cover the gas?
Tyler would be willing to help nearly anyone. They wouldn't even have to be "non-threatening". Everyone was "non-threatening" to Tyler. He was confident and caring. We still don't know why he went out in the first place, so late at night, particularly when he was planning on getting up at 6AM.

I'm sorry if this is an old question, but why/where was he meeting all of these new people? I think it's almost always more likely to be someone known, even if just a little, than a random attack.
Tyler had recently reconnected with the known friend who he talked with on Saturday. He'd been attending a lot of church social events as a result. I'd say that Tyler had three main activities he alternated between in his life: programming, playing online games, and being very social, meeting new people, hanging out with friends. He'd alternate between these things, doing each one for weeks or months. He was just in a meet-new-people sort of mood at the time, and the opportunity was there.

Also do you have any way of logging into his game to ask his online friends if he mentioned anything?
I keep thinking about doing so, or at least posting on his forums. He ran several websites, but they haven't been updated in a while, and there's not much traffic on his forums. I think at least one of my other two brothers already has an account on Lunia, and might know something about Tyler's guild, so that's probably something I should encourage them to investigate.

As for people who might have had something against Tyler... There's an old girlfriend who might be the vengeful type, and there's some girl that was calling him on an almost daily basis that he wasn't interested in. I believe that the police have been informed of both of these people, and they've hopefully looked into it. But they haven't done a very good job of interviewing people, as far as I know. They never interviewed either of the two friends that were visiting our house on the night Tyler disappeared.

We're hoping the autopsy will be completed soon, and that the police will give some kind of report, so we'll know what the status of the case is, what leads they've followed, what they know but haven't told us. It's hard to make any progress when they withholding so much information. We're left with so much rumor and speculation that it's difficult to draw any conclusions, or even know where to look for answers.

It's beginning to seem like the only thing linking all these burned car cases is that it's simply a good way to get rid of all the evidence, and make it look like a suicide at the same time, at least to the police. I don't think it looks like a suicide at all, and I can't imagine anyone thinking that self-immolation would be a good way to die.
 
  • #30
Tyler was found on April 19; it is now May 24, more than a month later, and we still have no autopsy report? Is that typical? How long does this process usually take?

I'm going to try to contact some of the local news channels, maybe demonstrating interest in the case and alerting them to the need for an update will put some pressure on local LE to keep this in the forefront. I've already contacted the Times-News, but I received an out-of-office reply so I don't expect a response until after Wednesday.

ETA:
Here are the contact addresses for KBOI news: http://www.kboi2.com/about/contact
Here is the contact form for the Times: http://www.magicvalley.com/app/contact/
Here is the contact information for KMVT: http://www.kmvt.com/aboutus/contact
 
  • #31
I believe he was actually found on the 18th, but for some reason, some of the news outlets started reporting it as the 19th. One of the Times-News articles reports it as both the 18th and the 19th in the same article...
 
  • #32
I believe he was actually found on the 18th, but for some reason, some of the news outlets started reporting it as the 19th. One of the Times-News articles reports it as both the 18th and the 19th in the same article...

Hi, Cosmictadpole and Mjolnir. Tyler Thoroman sounds like a good man with a good brother.

I think that autopsy reports arrive when they arrive. The procedures were probably complicated by the burning. The autopsy becomes in one sense a forensic reconstruction. That it's taking this long might simply indicate that they want to establish that it was a homicide; for instance, indicate in some way that he had died before the fire.

In a previous note, Mjolnir mentioned that the police didn't seem to trust him and his family. For pragmatic reasons, I wouldn't take this personally. After a murder, the police instinctively suspect those close to the victim. Also, a retired NYPD detective I knew told me that families almost always wanted to know more than cops can tell them. This is especially true at an early part of the investigation. What you might do is attempt to establish a cooperative relationship with the police department, perhaps some one on the force who seems a bit more personable. Try to provide them with information and possibilities of leads, offering to help in any way you can. You seem to have some good ideas and I admire your active interest at what must be a very painful time. Police-victim family relations develop over time.
 
  • #33
Hi, Cosmictadpole. Your brother sounds like a good man with a good brother.

Quick note: Mjolnir is Tyler's brother, not Cosmictadpole :) But you make great points.
 
  • #34
ChasingMoxie, thank you for attempting to contact local media. I hope you've been able to have some luck! Let us know if you do.
 
  • #35
Just a few thoughts:

The moon the night of the 17th was a waxing crescent moon (fairly small sliver), so visibility may not have been great. However, as far as I can tell, it was a clear night, so that small amount of light may have illuminated a cloud of smoke.

I'm sure law enforcement has already considered this, but there are cameras periodically along the highway that provide images of road conditions on the Idaho Transportation Department website. There is one camera location near Rogerson with two views: http://hb.511.idaho.gov/cameras/Rogerson.html, and one camera near the Idaho/Nevada border with one view: http://birice.vaisala.com/photos/028160B5_06BA7685_cam1.jpg. I realize that they only capture images every several minutes, but they could have captured something by chance that night. I don't know if the cameras retain the images they capture, but I would think that the ITD website would have a history of the images.

I have more to post, but I have trouble organizing my thoughts, and it's way past bedtime. Hopefully tomorrow...
 
  • #36
  • #37
There was an item today in the classifieds of the Idaho Mountain Express (newspaper for Blaine County / Sun Valley) which asks if any travelers on that stretch of highway (Twin Falls to Jackpot) noticed anything:

Did you head down to Jackpot, or drive down HWY 93 for any reason, the night of Saturday, April 17th? Did you see any unusual or suspicious activity on your way(possibly a burning vehicle)? You may be able to shed light on the death of a 21 year old man who was found about 1.5 miles west of milepost 7 on HWY 93 early on the 18th. Please call Twin Falls County Sheriff's Office at 208-735-1911

http://www.mtexpress.com/classads/wednesday/604.htm

I think it could have been placed in a higher profile spot in the paper, but I suppose better late than never... I would hope there are similar requests in the Twin Falls paper.
 
  • #38
There was an item today in the classifieds of the Idaho Mountain Express (newspaper for Blaine County / Sun Valley) which asks if any travelers on that stretch of highway (Twin Falls to Jackpot) noticed anything:

Did you head down to Jackpot, or drive down HWY 93 for any reason, the night of Saturday, April 17th? Did you see any unusual or suspicious activity on your way(possibly a burning vehicle)? You may be able to shed light on the death of a 21 year old man who was found about 1.5 miles west of milepost 7 on HWY 93 early on the 18th. Please call Twin Falls County Sheriff's Office at 208-735-1911

http://www.mtexpress.com/classads/wednesday/604.htm

I think it could have been placed in a higher profile spot in the paper, but I suppose better late than never... I would hope there are similar requests in the Twin Falls paper.

Hi, pch28, thanks for finding this. I agree with you about the placement. I just sent a note to their news department mentioning the classified note and enclosing the newspaper obituary kindly shared by Cosmictadpole. I suggested that this young man's suspicious death would be a worthy topic for a news article.
 
  • #39
Thanks Chanler! I just want to specify that I placed the ad in the classifieds of the Idaho Mountain Express. This is a service offered by the newspaper to the public: people can place ads here for free unless they are selling something over a certain dollar amount. The Miscellany II section is a popular place to read for local gossip and rants. nmr had mentioned that someone must have seen something driving past the Salmon Dam area on the highway, and it brought to mind several friends of mine that take random midnight trips to Jackpot. A popular phrase in the area late at night when someone asks what we should do next is, "Let's go to Jackpot!" So I thought maybe someone from the Wood River Valley on such a trip could have seen something as they drove past. I also know of quite a few people (myself included) who read the classifieds and then throw the paper away. I figured the notice I posted would hit a different demographic than those who pay attention to the headlines. If this case had occurred in Blaine County, I would be upset with the paper for not covering the story. That being said, I still think it would be nice if the Mountain Express would cover the story. This being such a rural area, people from the Valley often travel a long way to go shopping or for recreation, and people from Twin Falls often travel to the Valley to work. So a story like this affects more than just the smaller local community.
 
  • #40
Thanks Chanler! I just want to specify that I placed the ad in the classifieds of the Idaho Mountain Express. This is a service offered by the newspaper to the public: people can place ads here for free unless they are selling something over a certain dollar amount. The Miscellany II section is a popular place to read for local gossip and rants. nmr had mentioned that someone must have seen something driving past the Salmon Dam area on the highway, and it brought to mind several friends of mine that take random midnight trips to Jackpot. A popular phrase in the area late at night when someone asks what we should do next is, "Let's go to Jackpot!" So I thought maybe someone from the Wood River Valley on such a trip could have seen something as they drove past. I also know of quite a few people (myself included) who read the classifieds and then throw the paper away. I figured the notice I posted would hit a different demographic than those who pay attention to the headlines. If this case had occurred in Blaine County, I would be upset with the paper for not covering the story. That being said, I still think it would be nice if the Mountain Express would cover the story. This being such a rural area, people from the Valley often travel a long way to go shopping or for recreation, and people from Twin Falls often travel to the Valley to work. So a story like this affects more than just the smaller local community.

Hi, Cosmictadpole, thanks for the information about the classifieds. Your idea to place the message in such a popular feature makes great sense. I live faraway in New York City, so I really benefit from the expertise of people like you who know the region.
 

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