Idaho Student Says Teacher Tossed His Mexican Flag In The Trash

[Rino]

The USA has no idea how offensive these type of incidents are in the eyes of the international world. How the USA is viewed in the eyes of "countries" that value Human rights.

Oh puh-leese

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Canadians are sooooooooooooooo wonderful. They accept everyone. Just read:

OTTAWA - A majority of Canadians believe immigrants who are in the country illegally or after their visas expire should be deported, even if they have family ties in the country, a newly released government poll shows.

Conducted for Citizenship and Immigration Canada, the national poll revealed that respondents didn't make a distinction between "undocumented workers" and "workers without the proper work permits," with nearly two-thirds of Canadians coming down hard on illegal immigrants because they did not follow the rules.

"Half say that they feel the same way about immigrants who have studied in Canada and have the potential to contribute to this country but who are now here illegally because their visas have run out," said the poll summary. As well, a slight majority said immigrants who did not go through the proper application process should be deported despite the existence of family members already in the country.

* * *

"Negative aspects identified include the perception that there is a lack of integration in that immigrants are imposing their culture instead of adapting to ours, the desire of immigrants to have Canada accommodate them, the impact that immigration has on Canadian culture and the notion that immigrants groups tend to stay together and not mix with the rest of society," said the poll report.

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/canadians-want-illegal-immigrants-deported-poll


More warm and fuzzies at the link.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

Oh puh-leese

Actually, I have seen a lot and heard a lot from people in many countries that like the US and in many countries that don't. Believe it or not, it is true that not everyone in the world likes the US.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

I was going to reply to RainbowsAndGumdrops "No, no we can't start a poll by anyone named RainbowAndGumdrops". http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/156256.html

I'm a nice person, honest.

Would it help if I changed my name to CinnamonSugar? :crazy:

I do appreciate you trying to inject some humor into thread. We could all use it.

 

[Yeah me]

Here's a little more of the "he said, he said". Lots more information than the original article and mind you this is the media. Take it at face value. The Poll sounds good. I was going to reply to RainbowsAndGumdrops "No, no we can't start a poll by anyone named RainbowAndGumdrops". Just joking. O.K. truth be told I was going to say "No, go start it in Canada". I know this is a serious issue, but a little humor sometimes goes a long way.http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/156256.html

Thank you for posting that. 7-8 other students witnessed the incident, according to the student. We'll know soon enough who to believe.

 

[CyberLaw]

From Fort Mills Times

"That is not true, never," said Straatman, noting he has several Latino friends who speak English poorly. "If I had a problem with Hispanics, I wouldn't associate with these people," Straatman said. "Nobody ever called me a racist before."

When he says "those people" or "these people" it is quite evident that "those" people he refers to are non white.

If there are racial problems, then the entire school assembly should be treated the same way. Saying "those" people just reinforces the "us and them" as in those people and discrimination.

This school needs serious help to avoid say potential "beatings" and maybe murder of "non white" students.

As to the 12 million illegal immigrants are they the immigrants who work for below legal wage, no health care, no legal rights, are victimized and exploited, have no legal recourse if a victim of violence, live in fear, work at jobs that "true Americans" would never work at such as jobs in "low, wage factories, plants, sweatshops" Dish washers, maids, nanny's, picking fruit, and laborers. Gee it seems to me that some companies "profit" off the back of illegal immigrants. That means the USA profits off the backs of illegal immigrants.

I am sure if all of the 12 million people are back in Mexico, "true" white Americans will just be lining up to fill these "excellent" jobs because they pay so well and the work conditions are second to none. They would be "great" for high school dropouts, low wages and poverty.

Of course the employers will have to improve working conditions, health care, and I put money on the fact that the "employer" will not be paying for this, but the "public" will.

I also put money on the fact that many, "white" American's will feel that these "former" "Mexican jobs" are beneath them and will refuse to work at these jobs.

If I was in charge, I would gladly "welcome" "them" in Canada, we have so many opportunities for immigrants in our country and actually need immigrants to ensure our future population. Remember the USA has 10 times as many people as Canada.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Remember the USA has 10 times as many people as Canada.

And 12-13 MILLION Of them are illegal. Don't act like Canada has the whole world in its hands and America is dog crap. Canadians don't want illegals in their country any more than any other country wants illegals. Until you have to face something close to what we're dealing with, you honestly don't know what you're talking about. And seriously, being an attorney, I expected better from you.

How would you like your child in kindergarten through 12th grade attending classes with kids who can’t read, write, speak or understand English--or American education values? Furthermore, how would you feel if those students felt zero investment in education, in English and the American way? How would you like your child’s education dumbed down to that of a classroom from the Third World? Guess what? Today, if you’re a parent of a child in thousands of classrooms across America, that’s what’s happening to your children with your tax dollars.

more at:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty22.htm

 

[Rino]

Actually, I have seen a lot and heard a lot from people in many countries that like the US and in many countries that don't. Believe it or not, it is true that not everyone in the world likes the US.

It is true not everyone dislikes us too. All those who come over in droves for example.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Actually, I have seen a lot and heard a lot from people in many countries that like the US and in many countries that don't. Believe it or not, it is true that not everyone in the world likes the US.

I think this is good. We're full. Go somewhere else. Like Canada.:blowkiss:

 

[Filly]

Thanks, and agreed! :blowkiss:

No problemo, YM. That's my Spanglish. LOL

 

[Filly]

I'm a nice person, honest.

Would it help if I changed my name to CinnamonSugar? :crazy:

I do appreciate you trying to inject some humor into thread. We could all use it.

RAGD, I think you should change your name to Splenda Saccherine. However ya spell it. I am absolutely kidding and I have no doubt you're a nice person. We all are here at WS I honestly believe that.

 

[absinthe]

Why then don't all the English go back to England if they love speaking English so much?

Omg! Good one!

 

[Karole28]

Indeed. It was my friend's son, but my father made sure my DD learned all of her American History and not just what was force fed in school. I'm thankful for that and understood this isn't the thread to get started. On a side note when not one child can tell you who Audie Murphy was for an example you know there's a problem. All good things for you down South, Karole.

LOL! I do the same thing. (that's part of the story, now here's the rest) Audie Murphy, what a hero!

Thank you so much for the good wishes. :blowkiss:

 

[absinthe]

It's all in the eye of the beholder. Men who fought in the Korean war might not like seeing Korean flags being waved either.

And here I thought the point of that war was to liberate the Koreans!

 

[absinthe]

Perhaps if the students bringing in these flags knew the first thing about our and THEIR heritage, there would be fewer problems with the flags:

The 5th of May is not Mexican Independence Day, but it should be! And Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday, but it should be. Mexico declared its independence from mother Spain on midnight, the 15th of September, 1810. And it took 11 years before the first Spanish soldiers were told and forced to leave Mexico.

So, why Cinco de Mayo? And why should Americans savor this day as well? Because 4,000 Mexican soldiers smashed the French and traitor Mexican army of 8,000 at Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of Mexico City on the morning of May 5, 1862.

The French had landed in Mexico (along with Spanish and English troops) five months earlier on the pretext of collecting Mexican debts from the newly elected government of democratic President (and Indian) Benito Juarez. The English and Spanish quickly made deals and left. The French, however, had different ideas.

Under Emperor Napoleon III, who detested the United States, the French came to stay. They brought a Hapsburg prince with them to rule the new Mexican empire. His name was Maximilian; his wife, Carolota. Napoleon's French Army had not been defeated in 50 years, and it invaded Mexico with the finest modern equipment and with a newly reconstituted Foreign Legion. The French were not afraid of anyone, especially since the United States was embroiled in its own Civil War.

The French Army left the port of Vera Cruz to attack Mexico City to the west, as the French assumed that the Mexicans would give up should their capital fall to the enemy -- as European countries traditionally did.

Under the command of Texas-born General Zaragosa, (and the cavalry under the command of Colonel Porfirio Diaz, later to be Mexico's president and dictator), the Mexicans awaited. Brightly dressed French Dragoons led the enemy columns. The Mexican Army was less stylish.

General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his cavalry, the best in the world, out to the French flanks. In response, the French did a most stupid thing; they sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz and his men, who proceeded to butcher them. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders through sloppy mud from a thunderstorm and through hundreds of head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed only with machetes.

When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.

Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.

It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows?

In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces. As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.

Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are, and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!

http://vivacincodemayo.org/history.htm

What a sweet post, Jeana!

 

[absinthe]

During the parades they had last year, several students from one high school had American flags draped all over their vehicles in protest of the protests. They were turned around in their cars and sent home. That's pretty much how I feel this should have been handled. I'm all for being proud of one's heritage, but I draw the line on pride when its being weilded like a sword. That's what I see happening when kids begin to try and "send a message" like this one.

Agreed, agreed, agreed! I dislike it when I see ANYBODY trying to be menacing with their flag, no matter what their heritage.

 

[Karole28]

Pardon me, you are comparing Canada and the USA as having the same problems. Having just as many problems and some worse. Can you please be more specific.

While Detroit, followed by St. Louis, Mo., has the highest overall crime of major U.S. cities. Detroit's 2006 murder rate — 47.3 per 100,000 — is 10 times higher than Edmonton, which had the highest rate that year among major Canadian cities.

Canadians, though, can't be smug. We fare no better than the U.S. in other areas. The break and enter rates in Chilliwack, B.C., Victoria and Regina, for instance, rank within the top 10 per cent of all American cities. The per capita robbery rates in Saskatoon, Winnipeg and Regina would put them among the top 10 robbery-plagued metropolitan areas of the U.S. And you are far more likely to have your automobile stolen in Winnipeg or Joliette, Que., than anywhere in the U.S., including metropolitan Detroit and Las Vegas, the auto theft capitals of America. Even at that, a crime analysis this January by the Vancouver Board of Trade concludes official rates are misleadingly low: "only about one-third of actual crimes in Canada are reported to police." The board helped pressure Statistics Canada to consider an annual crime victimization survey. The last such measure estimated in 2004 there were more than eight million criminal offences — 2.7 million of them violent — three times the number reported to police.

Cite (cursory search)

So please, can you tell me what worse problems we have.........we may not be perfect and we do have problems(what country does not), but to compare the USA and Canada as having just as many problems is not reflected in reality.

WE take Human rights and fairness and non discrimination very seriously.

We do too, as a matter of fact, we have LAWS that already address this.

We pride ourselves on being Canadian, but not to the exclusion of any other member of society. It does not matter what ethnic background the member of society is from. Human Rights are Human rights.

We don't either, as a populace. Don't bother telling me there are no racist Canadians, I know too many to believe that.

You really cannot compare Canada and the USA when it comes to diversity.

I know! I don't think you have the influx to your southern and western borders like we do. We'll be happy to help you with that, however so you can be more diverse (you do know what that word means, don't you?)

There is a concerted effort to ensure that New Canadians can fully participate in society and contribute to society. Have the same opportunities as "Canadian born white people".

I'm seeing a pattern of "whiteness" in your posts. I wonder if you recognize that?

As I see it, this whole case and thread is just a simple clear cut case of discrimination. Especially when the "ethnic" student body makes up 33% and the "white" students make up 66%. So whom do you think has a problem with whom.

Were the other kids allowed to keep their flags? I see no discrimination.

This student was degraded, demeaned, humiliated, just because he brought the flag of his culture and heritage to school to celebrate with other students.

If you believe him, which I don't.

Pardon me, I've snipped the rest of your repetitious post. We get it, Canada is superior to the US, and you're the paragon of acceptance.

unless you're white and live in "cowboy country".

 

[Karole28]

Canadians are sooooooooooooooo wonderful. They accept everyone. Just read:

OTTAWA - A majority of Canadians believe immigrants who are in the country illegally or after their visas expire should be deported, even if they have family ties in the country, a newly released government poll shows.

Thank you!!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thank you!!

You know, I wasn't even going to go there, but for crying out loud!!!!! She completely ignores all of the FACTS that I posted and posts crap like illegal Mexicans in America can't get medical care. WHAT????? If illegal immigrants were not receiving FREE medical care, FREE education, FREE welfare, etc., America wouldn't be having the problems that its experiencing now with trying to take care of 13 million illegals. I posted that the Mayor of Toronto is experiencing the same things that many cities in America is facing, but apparently, she glossed right over that little fact.

 

[LinasK]

Actually, a flag is not harmless. Here in Texas and in other border states/cities, the rallies and marches have created quite a stir in recent years and there have been fights, shootings, etc. because students decided to "wear their colors" during school. They were NOT even allowing American flags to be worn on clothing or anything else. I find that was the right choice. While I'm all for showing pride, I don't believe that school is the place to take a stand.

It's the National flag of Mexico, not a gang flag, not gang colors.