IDI: Whats your problem?

[BBB167893]

I can't help but notice RDI's little sailboat sitting there not moving.

You're not exactly the Disco Volante yourself.

At least if the parents had a criminal record beyond Ozzie and Harriet we'd be getting somewhere.

Did I ever tell you how much these Ozzie & Harriet comparisons make my head hurt?

Besides, I don't buy this whole Jekyll and Hyde thing where loving parents suddenly turn on their kids. Somebody somewhere heard something and did nothing.

Heard something and did nothing about what?

 

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there was never a hint that she accepted or practiced the kind of violence required to commit and cover up this crime.

That's kind of the point, MurriFlower. That's why it didn't take long to pinpoint it as amateur night.

 

[BBB167893]

OMG! Right on every point!

DD, you've been peeking at my notes again!

 

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That is bologna. Good faith? The leaks, for example, showed good faith? Plus, they were professionals and as such had to perform to a standard higher than your average bear.

Don't take my word for it, Fang. Someone asked that exact question a few years ago, and a defense attorney said exactly the same thing I said. "Good faith."

They looked into someone's eyes and convicted him of murder.

Just so I have this right, you're accusing an entire force based on the statements of ONE person?

The Keystone Cops, Detective Clouseau and Tinkerbell would have embarrassed these birdbrains.

That's nothing compared to the DA's office.

 

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When I was 5, I was stealing steaks out of my parents padlocked freezer, throwing them onto a frying pan and having a feast. I was a poor, slovenly, slow, dimwitted lad and if I could do all that, Joni could get herself some grub, too. FANGS

Their own statements trap them, Fang. They said that JB couldn't reach the top of that counter.

"I'm starting to think I'm not communicating with anybody, HOTYH."

SuperDave is under attack? Please.

I didn't say under attack. I said that I wasn't communicating. Far as I know, that could be my fault. Sometimes I don't say what I want to say.

No panic driven, adrenaline-fueled attempt to resuscitate or to get her medical attention? Just a frantic effort to cover their fannies?

Now you're asking some good questions! If what I think happened happened, then their attempts to resuscitate her were thwarted by fighting with each other. By the time they were through, they figured too much time had passed.

Leaving that aside, I've often wondered if there were attempts to resuscitate and they were unsuccessful. As for getting medical attention, as I see it, there was a certain something that made that out of the question. Even if I'm wrong, if they had tried and she died anyway, how would they explain it to their relatives and friends?

So, if we were to throw any and all nuances to the dogs (which happens far too often for my liking), then I'd have to say you're basically right.

 

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"Allow me to elaborate: with the fibers, we KNOW the people who wore those clothes was there that night. We KNOW they can't account for them (in some instances, " SUPERDAVE


Hold it, right there. What does it prove if people who wore clothing with fibers "consistent with" were there that night?

Among OTHER things, it proves they had opportunity.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Just so we're all crystal clear on this, here's what I said:1)


"The DNA would be the clincher if a suspect was caught, no doubt. But it's zero for excluding suspects." is what SuperDave actually said.

if the DNA is matched to a suspect, he might as well change his address to prison. BUT--and this is where it gets tricky--if a suspect is captured and his DNA doesn't match, then by IDI standards, you'd have to let him go, because IDI has put all of their eggs in the DNA basket, as it were. Whereas madeleine is taking a very practical approach. Even if the DNA truly is useless, that doesn't kill IDI in the cradle. They could still make a case using older investigative techniques, which I believe were not given enough weight in this case. By making the DNA out to be the dealmaker or -breaker, IDI has painted themselves into the proverbial corner. It's either the clincher or it isn't. It can't be both.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Among OTHER things, it proves they had opportunity.

Well, we knew they had opportunity.

 

[WHITEFANG]

As I see it, it indicates they were there when the crime was committed. Does it PROVE it? Debatable from a legal standpoint. To me, it proves it. To others, it doesn't. I would think a defense team would poke some holes in it. Parental fibers on their own child and all. But it is the fibers on the tape and cord, specifically, which are indicative to me that there was parental involvement.

When did she bring that clothing into her house?

 

[BBB167893]

Well, we knew they had opportunity.

Right. Truth be told, Fang, I was answering it in accordance with how you phrased it. The fact that they were wearing those clothes that night is only part of the larger canvas. The fibers were on items they claimed they never owned, in areas they say they never went with those clothes on; JR can't account for his at all and PR's attempt to account for them would require nothing less than magic. That about covers it.

 

[WHITEFANG]

That's kind of the point, MurriFlower. That's why it didn't take long to pinpoint it as amateur night.

Their own statements trap them, Fang. They said that JB couldn't reach the top of that counter.

I was in my late teens when my parents discovered the identity of the thief. Compared with Patsy and John, they should have known instantaneously.


I didn't say under attack. I said that I wasn't communicating. Far as I know, that could be my fault. Sometimes I don't say what I want to say.

No, you didn't say it. Someone else did and that was the individual referenced.


Now you're asking some good questions! If what I think happened happened, then their attempts to resuscitate her were thwarted by fighting with each other. By the time they were through, they figured too much time had passed.

"Now you're asking...." Wait, who's condescending?

Leaving that aside, I've often wondered if there were attempts to resuscitate and they were unsuccessful. As for getting medical attention, as I see it, there was a certain something that made that out of the question. Even if I'm wrong, if they had tried and she died anyway,

how would they explain it to their relatives and friends?

But, nothing was premeditated?

 

[WHITEFANG]

There are a few reasons for that.



I'm afraid not. Plenty of people have killed the ones they love. Isn't that how the old saying goes? "You always hurt the ones you love?"

BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS DON'T KILL THEIR LOVED ONES. BTW, most who hurt the ones they love don't bash their heads in, strangle them, molest them and leave them in a cold basement for 12 hours. Maybe 11 hours, but not a minute more.

 

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I was in my late teens when my parents discovered the identity of the thief. Compared with Patsy and John, they should have known instantaneously.

Should have, but obviously didn't.

No, you didn't say it. Someone else did and that was the individual referenced.

Check.

"Now you're asking...." Wait, who's condescending?

I wasn't condescending, I was excited! Sorry about that.

Leaving that aside, I've often wondered if there were attempts to resuscitate and they were unsuccessful. As for getting medical attention, as I see it, there was a certain something that made that out of the question. Even if I'm wrong, if they had tried and she died anyway,

how would they explain it to their relatives and friends?

But, nothing was premeditated?

Not as I see it now. Let me rerun it through the old "computer" and I'll get back to you.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Right. Truth be told, Fang, I was answering it in accordance with how you phrased it. The fact that they were wearing those clothes that night is only part of the larger canvas. The fibers were on items they claimed they never owned, in areas they say they never went with those clothes on; JR can't account for his at all and PR's attempt to account for them would require nothing less than magic. That about covers it.

Hold it. Wait a second.

They were in her bedroom before. They were in contact with her that night. The house was filled with fibers from their clothing for some time. Have you noticed what is on your dryer filter, which doesn't catch all the dust/fiber/etc. from the clothes it dries. It is ofter a hefty amount of grayish "fibers" from all over the clothes, which arrived on the clothes in a myriad of sources. Take that house, everything exactly as it was and try not to find those same "parental fibers" throughout the house, under lamps, in food, refrigerator tops, soap, the floor, the walls, bed covers, carpeting, tape, hair, cheese, butter, sofas, etc. Ever had a dog that sheds? Fur is heavy than fibers, too.

 

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BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS DON'T KILL THEIR LOVED ONES. BTW, most who hurt the ones they love don't bash their heads in, strangle them, molest them and leave them in a cold basement for 12 hours.

I have a quote from Ron Walker I think you'll find interesting.

Maybe 11 hours, but not a minute more.

Nice to know you have a sense of humor.

 

[WHITEFANG]

Right. Truth be told, Fang, I was answering it in accordance with how you phrased it. The fact that they were wearing those clothes that night is only part of the larger canvas. The fibers were on items they claimed they never owned, in areas they say they never went with those clothes on; JR can't account for his at all and PR's attempt to account for them would require nothing less than magic. That about covers it.

Hold it. Wait a second.

They were in her bedroom before. They were in contact with her that night. The house was filled with fibers from their clothing for some time. Have you noticed what is on your dryer filter, which doesn't catch all the dust/fiber/etc. from the clothes it dries. Often, you'll find a hefty swath of grayish "fibers" detached from all over the clothes, which landed on the clothes from a myriad of sources.

Take that house, everything exactly as it was and try not to find those same "parental fibers" throughout. They will be found under lamps, in food, on refrigerator tops, soap, the floor, the walls, bed covers, carpeting, tape, hair, butter, sofas, etc.

Ever had a dog that sheds? Fur is heavy than fibers, too. You couldn't prevent those fibers from circulating in the air without several, huge, sophisticated air filtering systems, a sterile environment in the extreme and everything sealed to the nth. Think OR, but much, much cleaner, much, much better filtered and better sealed.

 

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Hold it. Wait a second.

They were in her bedroom before. They were in contact with her that night. The house was filled with fibers from their clothing for some time. Have you noticed what is on your dryer filter, which doesn't catch all the dust/fiber/etc. from the clothes it dries. It is ofter a hefty amount of grayish "fibers" from all over the clothes, which arrived on the clothes in a myriad of sources. Take that house, everything exactly as it was and try not to find those same "parental fibers" throughout the house, under lamps, in food, refrigerator tops, soap, the floor, the walls, bed covers, carpeting, tape, hair, cheese, butter, sofas, etc. Ever had a dog that sheds? Fur is heavy than fibers, too.

And they only ended up on these four things? Not buying it, Fang. Sorry.

 

[WHITEFANG]

You bet!



You mind if I join you? I'll take some of that action!

Sure. The moment I'm finished. He is going to rue the day he was born. Talk about weeping and gnashing of teeth, cast out into outer darkness. Got that puny little deviant? We're coming and we ain't ever gonna stop. You know that garrote you used? Oh baby, just wait. We have plans for you.

 

[WHITEFANG]

And they only ended up on these four things? Not buying it, Fang. Sorry.

Yo! One second, please. They ended up everywhere. Not selling it. Those fibers could do nothing else but follow the law of averages. If they found them in those 4 places, it follows that they had to be found in numerous other places. Unless someone planted them.

Where were Patsy's tears found?

 

[MurriFlower]

Right. Truth be told, Fang, I was answering it in accordance with how you phrased it. The fact that they were wearing those clothes that night is only part of the larger canvas. The fibers were on items they claimed they never owned, in areas they say they never went with those clothes on; JR can't account for his at all and PR's attempt to account for them would require nothing less than magic. That about covers it.

Four (4) fibres consistent with the jacket worn by PR, on the tape touched by JR and FW (twice), following their contact with PR that morning.

Numerous other fibres on the tape, in the garrotte, etc, unsourced in the house.

Nothing provided by the investigators to prove any of PR fibres found anywhere other than the tape or JR fibres found in underwear (just questions during an interview).