IDIs On This Forum?

  • #761
...the cord Patsy bought at the hardware store,the paintbrush that was Patsy's and had her fibers in the tray where it was kept,the head bash likely done by Patsy, and ring mark abrasions on JB...yes,those are all evidence.

The cord as evidence? Yes. That it was bought by Patsy at the local hardware store as evidence? No.

The paintbrush as evidence? Yes. That it had Patsy's fibers in the tray where it was kept as evidence? No, because PR's fibers would tend to be found all over her stuff.

Headbash done by Patsy as evidence? Nope. No proof of that at all. That's only pure conjecture.

Ringmark abrasions? Do you mean the ones that are evidence JBR was strangled?
 
  • #762
I looked at it again;it looks like she's driving the boat,or pretending to anyway..she looks like she's having a lot of fun.I think that would be a great way honor her.
JR said he named one of his planes after his first daughter that was killed,but I don't recall reading that he ever did anything with JB's name.

For years people brought angels to her grave. It was an idea to say her life meant something ...you know?
 
  • #763
The cord as evidence? Yes. That it was bought by Patsy at the local hardware store as evidence? No.

I don't believe in coincidence, holdon.

The paintbrush as evidence? Yes. That it had Patsy's fibers in the tray where it was kept as evidence? No, because PR's fibers would tend to be found all over her stuff.

Well, I'll admit, you would think so...if not for the fact that she herself claimed she never wore that stuff around there.

Headbash done by Patsy as evidence? Nope. No proof of that at all. That's only pure conjecture.

Sometimes, Holdon, that's all even the best have to go on.

Ringmark abrasions? Do you mean the ones that are evidence JBR was strangled?

No, we mean the ones on other parts of the body, not the "ring" around her neck.
 
  • #764
For years people brought angels to her grave. It was an idea to say her life meant something ...you know?

yes,good idea,I hope to visit someday myself.
 
  • #765
The paintbrush as evidence? Yes. That it had Patsy's fibers in the tray where it was kept as evidence? No, because PR's fibers would tend to be found all over her stuff.

forensics don't work that way...it's more specific,not 'everything is everywhere'.If that were the case, then there would be little to no evidence in any crime.
Patsy admittedly didn't wear those clothes in the basement.So unless fibers can crawl,that places her in the basement,at the crime scene.And fibers can't do that,but ppl *can and do lie..and I think she did.

And I don't believe in coincidence either.
 
  • #766
forensics don't work that way...it's more specific,not 'everything is everywhere'.If that were the case, then there would be little to no evidence in any crime.
Patsy admittedly didn't wear those clothes in the basement.So unless fibers can crawl,that places her in the basement,at the crime scene.And fibers can't do that,but ppl *can and do lie..and I think she did.

And I don't believe in coincidence either.

Forensics haven't linked PR to the murder, or else she'd have been charged.

I guess what I mean is that the evidence with the most weight (ransom note, cord, paintbrush, JBR's injuries) has been tossed aside, by some who consider themselves as being clever. Too smart to be fooled, they see what the crime appears to be as a facade. Looking past the facade they see the 'real' story.

Its probably a good idea to keep an open mind. The facade might be real.
 
  • #767
Forensics haven't linked PR to the murder, or else she'd have been charged.

I guess what I mean is that the evidence with the most weight (ransom note, cord, paintbrush, JBR's injuries) has been tossed aside, by some who consider themselves as being clever. Too smart to be fooled, they see what the crime appears to be as a facade. Looking past the facade they see the 'real' story.

Its probably a good idea to keep an open mind. The facade might be real.

I strongly disagree. Patsy was not charged because the evidence was not sufficient to eliminate reasonable doubt. An Intruder's defense attorney could argue there was enough evidence incriminating Patsy to cause reasonable doubt, meaning the "Intruder Defendant" may not have killed JonBenet. Vice versa, Patsy's attorney could argue there was evidence suggesting perhaps an Intruder did kill JonBenet, thus causing reasonable doubt for Patsy (or John). Thirdly, a defense attorney could argue that there was insufficient evidence to determine whether Patsy or John killed JonBenet, particularly since the sequence of events isn't precise.

The evidence with the most weight, as you call it, could fit Patsy, John, or an Intruder or Guest. Patsy's jacket fibers are very incriminating in that Patsy said she never wore that jacket in the basement nor did she ever wear it when she painted. The ransom note pad being in the home, the opportunity, and place of death also incriminate someone living within the home. The fact that Patsy could not be eliminated as the writer of the note is also evidence of forensic quality that tends to incriminate her as well. The time of death fits the routine Patsy and JonBenet had since midnight is when Patsy said she usually awoke and took JonBenet to the bathroom (except Patsy said she didn't do so this particular night).

Had a pedophile done this, JonBenet would have been much more damaged sexually than what the autopsy describes and it's very unlikely a pedophile would molest the child in the home with both parents present, nor would a pedophile take time to clean, re-dress and swaddle a child. Had a kidnapper done it, the body would not have been left in the home.
 
  • #768
Forensics haven't linked PR to the murder, or else she'd have been charged.

I guess what I mean is that the evidence with the most weight (ransom note, cord, paintbrush, JBR's injuries) has been tossed aside, by some who consider themselves as being clever. Too smart to be fooled, they see what the crime appears to be as a facade. Looking past the facade they see the 'real' story.

Its probably a good idea to keep an open mind. The facade might be real.

Holdontoyourhat,

Not correct, there is forensic evidence linking both parents to the crime-scene. Compare this to the zero amount of intruder forensic evidence discovered at the crime-scene.

One of the residents of the Ramsey household sexually assaulted and bludgeoned JonBenet to death, its that simple!

.
 
  • #769
Forensics haven't linked PR to the murder, or else she'd have been charged.

indeed forensics have been linked;it's just like OJ,Michael Jackson and Robert Blake...$$ got them off.

I guess what I mean is that the evidence with the most weight (ransom note, cord, paintbrush, JBR's injuries) has been tossed aside, by some who consider themselves as being clever. Too smart to be fooled, they see what the crime appears to be as a facade. Looking past the facade they see the 'real' story.

Its probably a good idea to keep an open mind. The facade might be real.

the facade is that Patsy wrote that absolutely STUPID so-called 'ransom note' and I can't believe anyone would buy the nonsense she put in it...it's absolutely ridiculous! and then factor in the pineapple,the R's behavior,the evidence on the body (artifact dna doesn't count)...the fibers,too large underwear,staged sexual assualt,JR's lies about the ligatures...
 
  • #770
I strongly disagree. Patsy was not charged because the evidence was not sufficient to eliminate reasonable doubt. An Intruder's defense attorney could argue there was enough evidence incriminating Patsy to cause reasonable doubt, meaning the "Intruder Defendant" may not have killed JonBenet. Vice versa, Patsy's attorney could argue there was evidence suggesting perhaps an Intruder did kill JonBenet, thus causing reasonable doubt for Patsy (or John). Thirdly, a defense attorney could argue that there was insufficient evidence to determine whether Patsy or John killed JonBenet, particularly since the sequence of events isn't precise.

The evidence with the most weight, as you call it, could fit Patsy, John, or an Intruder or Guest. Patsy's jacket fibers are very incriminating in that Patsy said she never wore that jacket in the basement nor did she ever wear it when she painted. The ransom note pad being in the home, the opportunity, and place of death also incriminate someone living within the home. The fact that Patsy could not be eliminated as the writer of the note is also evidence of forensic quality that tends to incriminate her as well. The time of death fits the routine Patsy and JonBenet had since midnight is when Patsy said she usually awoke and took JonBenet to the bathroom (except Patsy said she didn't do so this particular night).

Had a pedophile done this, JonBenet would have been much more damaged sexually than what the autopsy describes and it's very unlikely a pedophile would molest the child in the home with both parents present, nor would a pedophile take time to clean, re-dress and swaddle a child. Had a kidnapper done it, the body would not have been left in the home.

Scott Petersen was sentenced to death with far less evidence. They should have sent Alex Hunter and his minions thank you notes
 
  • #771
  • #772
Holdontoyourhat,

Not correct, there is forensic evidence linking both parents to the crime-scene. Compare this to the zero amount of intruder forensic evidence discovered at the crime-scene.

One of the residents of the Ramsey household sexually assaulted and bludgeoned JonBenet to death, its that simple!

.

This we agree on, but I am not sure if there were prior molestations. Just read an article posted on one of these threads by Rash. Tom Miller's wife gave it. It is very very interesting. She believes that there was an incestuous relationship with John and JB and Patsy knew about it. She also speaks of Patsy tryng to get JB's hair dyed at age 3 but the salon refused. She did have it dyed the Summer of 95 I believe or '96 and also came back with a huge diamond from a vacation in Texas, and she believes this was a gift to appease Patsy who had found out about the abuse. This is all conjecture on her part. She really has no proof. FYI
 
  • #773
Scott Petersen was sentenced to death with far less evidence. They should have sent Alex Hunter and his minions thank you notes

Maybe they did. :slap:

I still can't believe this case wasn't brought to trial.
 
  • #774
Maybe they did. :slap:

I still can't believe this case wasn't brought to trial.

You cant....coloradokares sighs sadly
 
  • #775
Maybe they did. :slap:

I still can't believe this case wasn't brought to trial.

Money talks hon and the Ram's had lots of money. :mad:
 
  • #776
This we agree on, but I am not sure if there were prior molestations. Just read an article posted on one of these threads by Rash. Tom Miller's wife gave it. It is very very interesting. She believes that there was an incestuous relationship with John and JB and Patsy knew about it. She also speaks of Patsy tryng to get JB's hair dyed at age 3 but the salon refused. She did have it dyed the Summer of 95 I believe or '96 and also came back with a huge diamond from a vacation in Texas, and she believes this was a gift to appease Patsy who had found out about the abuse. This is all conjecture on her part. She really has no proof. FYI

Solace
An incestuous relationship is more consistent with the forensic evidence that some psychopathic intruder, more so, if you accept JonBenet's genital injuries, such as the enlargement of her hymen, which was chronic and suggests prior sexual molestation?

.
 
  • #777
Solace
An incestuous relationship is more consistent with the forensic evidence that some psychopathic intruder, more so, if you accept JonBenet's genital injuries, such as the enlargement of her hymen, which was chronic and suggests prior sexual molestation?

.


Judith's scenario makes more sense to me...perhaps Patsy found him abusing JB on the Tx trip,he buys her the huge ring and promises not to do it again..and then Patsy leaves the house xmas eve to see someone...comes back and again finds JB abusing JB as she checks on JB for the midnight bathroom trip...
I don't think Patsy was still up packing as was suggested..she had all day to do that..yet there was a reason she was still in her clothes that time of night..going out and coming back makes the most sense to me.
I read Judith's interview...seems to me she knew Patsy well enough to know when she was trying to pull one over on her,just as she did with the hair dyeing job.
 
  • #778
You cant....coloradokares sighs sadly

CK - did you know if anyone in Boulder (besides Fleet White) ever protested about how JonBenet's case was handled?
 
  • #779
Solace
An incestuous relationship is more consistent with the forensic evidence that some psychopathic intruder, more so, if you accept JonBenet's genital injuries, such as the enlargement of her hymen, which was chronic and suggests prior sexual molestation?

.

Hi UKGuy,

I know you disagree with Thomas about the corporal punishment theory but I don't understand why you disagree. I seriously doubt a detective would make up a theory unless he/she had evidence suggesting the same. I also realize Thomas was writing a book, but he seems so competent and poised in his interviews and, allowing for normal errors found in most all books, what he stated overall is accurate and consistent.

I can only assume Thomas meant douching when he says corporal punishment. If so, that would explain the hymeneal trauma described and could account for possible digital penetration as well. It would also leave open the option that Patsy and John could refute molestation and get by with it because, if true, it was not done for sexual gratification. John may not have known about it either.
 
  • #780
Holdontoyourhat,

Not correct, there is forensic evidence linking both parents to the crime-scene. Compare this to the zero amount of intruder forensic evidence discovered at the crime-scene.

One of the residents of the Ramsey household sexually assaulted and bludgeoned JonBenet to death, its that simple!

.

Linking the parents to the crime-scene, when the crime-scene is their own house, doesn't require any forensic evidence. Both parents are inherently linked to the crime scene.

Linking them to the crime itself is another story. An example of a real link would have been a scratch on a parent's face or arms that was noticed by detectives. Or JBR's blood found on a parents article of clothing. Instead, most links are contrived and seem to be motivated by sensationalism. "Oh they're rich and bought their way out of it" is an RDI rationalization that doesn't explain why LE never even bothered to book them. OJ, RB, and MJ were all booked, remember?

The R's didn't get booked because there was no evidence linking them to the crime itself. Obvously they're llinked to the crime scene. Big difference.
 

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
50
Guests online
2,595
Total visitors
2,645

Forum statistics

Threads
632,860
Messages
18,632,649
Members
243,315
Latest member
what123
Back
Top