If an Intruder...

[Jayelles]

I had a smile when I read that little bit actually because "Jordan" is a well-known British glamour model.

http://www.jordanfanclub.co.uk/

 

[SisterSocks]

I had a smile when I read that little bit actually because "Jordan" is a well-known British glamour model.

http://www.jordanfanclub.co.uk/

I actually thought Jordan might be a guy LOL

:woohoo:

 

[SisterSocks]

I'm not visiting the forum as much I used to - but, yes, JAR is at the top of my list.

My old computer had the whole JAR theory from beginning to end - it fit so well.


I have a suspicion that JAR may have been "caught" with JonBenet (hence, the "incest" in the dictionary) and the sudden change (three days) of Christmas to Michigan (JAR not allowed in the house anymore?) and his room no longer his, but called the "Guest Room" - and on and on...

Hi TLynn, I haven't been posting as much either but, I have always enjoyed your post . I do think Jar knows more about the death .

SisterSocks

 

[vicktor]

Hi Vicktor, when do you think the note was written? So you think this guy has even been looked at as the possible murderer, or has he lived under the wire?

IMO

Nehemiah, IMO, it was written before the crime. The fact that there was a practice note, and that the note was likely copied makes it pretty likely it was written beforehand. It would not be easy to change the letter shapes constantly while composing a note that was orderly.

Gary Oliva was discovered by the Ramsey PIs maybe 18 mo. later. The BPD did look at him, questioned him and got DNA samples. I've never heard if they did a handwriting test, but its remarkably similar. Someone posted that the BPD did state his DNA wasn't a match. I don't believe that The DNA is the solution.

 

[Britt]

Someone posted that the BPD did state his DNA wasn't a match. I don't believe that The DNA is the solution.

?? You don't believe the DNA is the solution, or you don't believe the BPD when they said he was cleared?

 

[tipper]

LISTEN to these experts. This is their stuff - their expertise. And all - but John Douglas who his peers were disappointed in and disagreed with - said the same things regarding the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. (J.Douglas' peers had GOOD reason to be rather shocked and disappointed in him. Douglas did NOT even follow the basic criteria in developing a profile of the killer that HE himself had designed in the first place! He did NOT have access for instance to all of the police files, reports, interviews and evidence in order to do a valid profile and assessment of the case. He was working for the Ramsey LAWYERS who brought him in - not the police. All he had to go on was what was FED to him by the Ramsey team. Shame on him!)

CASKU experts and other FBI profilers who had worked on HUNDREDS of cases of child murders and kidnappings agreed - JonBenet's killer was NOT some pervert intruder. It was someone who KNEW her, cared about her, did not intend to kill her but ended up doing so - and then panicked and staged the crime scene. End of story. It is not difficult to see with even the most basic of facts in this case.
It is the "ransom" letter that basically confirmed the obvious in this case.
And sunk the Ramsey plot.~

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~56~1072413~,00.html

Article Published: Wednesday, December 25, 2002

…

Former FBI profiler Robert Ressler said he doubts the case will ever be solved unless someone comes forward with new evidence or a "deathbed confession."

"This is a situation where the police botched the initial investigation, and years later, they're still trying to sort things out," said Ressler, who helped build the psychological profile of New York's "Son of Sam" killer in the 1970s.
Ressler said he doubts that a stranger broke into the home and killed JonBenet. But he said he also doubts a family member killed her.
"There may have been other people in the house that night, and I don't mean a stranger or family," Ressler said. "I just don't know. We may never know."

 

[SieSie]

I'm not visiting the forum as much I used to - but, yes, JAR is at the top of my list.

My old computer had the whole JAR theory from beginning to end - it fit so well.

His being out of town is the biggie - However, there is a time difference between Georgia & Colorado - the plane that was supposed to be ready to leave first thing is the morning was NOT ready to leave when JR wanted to fly to Atlanta instead of Michigan. Archuletta said it would take about two hours. Why? Rescheduling a flight plan was not a reason. Refueling would be.

Archuletta was not available when called that morning...not at home, not at the airport. He had to call JR back.

The ATM receipt (time difference and may not have been him) even the alleged photo was not a clear picture of JAR - and whether him or not - the timeline is still workable.

From biggies - such as his semen being found at the crime scene...

And "Eye Witness" Neighbor Barnhill originally stating he saw JAR approach the house that day. Until, the Ramsey Detectives told him it wasn't....

To circumstantial things - such as only JR's side of the family getting legal represenation (JAR was protected from speaking to the police). JAR's strange "alibi" being with his friend all night, dropping off his car at friend's (to go to movie), picking it back up and his friend following in his car (now two cars) back to JAR's to spend the night - only for JAR to be up at 6 a.m. that morning. Doesn't make any sense, unless they're both wanting to be each other's alibi. Plus, he produces the movie stub & ATM receipt (weeks later) - what college kid keeps those things, etc.


So much more.

I have a suspicion that JAR may have been "caught" with JonBenet (hence, the "incest" in the dictionary) and the sudden change (three days) of Christmas to Michigan (JAR not allowed in the house anymore?) and his room no longer his, but called the "Guest Room" - and on and on...

TLynn, I haven't been on this particular forum very long, and would love to hear the JARDI theory if you have a chance to re-collect your thoughts and post it (unless you saved it from your old computer?). Maybe you could post it on a new thread so other JARDI theorists can add their :twocents: , also.

 

[BlueCrab]

TLynn, I haven't been on this particular forum very long, and would love to hear the JARDI theory if you have a chance to re-collect your thoughts and post it (unless you saved it from your old computer?). Maybe you could post it on a new thread so other JARDI theorists can add their :twocents: , also.

TLynn,

I second the motion for you to start a new thread about JAR, including your theory.

JAR is my No. 2 suspect, behind Burke as my No. 1 suspect. The contents of that suitcase with a Dr. Seuss book and JAR's semen on the blanket sure runs up a red flag that can't be ignored.

JMO

 

[Nehemiah]

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~56~1072413~,00.html

Article Published: Wednesday, December 25, 2002

…

Former FBI profiler Robert Ressler said he doubts the case will ever be solved unless someone comes forward with new evidence or a "deathbed confession."

"This is a situation where the police botched the initial investigation, and years later, they're still trying to sort things out," said Ressler, who helped build the psychological profile of New York's "Son of Sam" killer in the 1970s.
Ressler said he doubts that a stranger broke into the home and killed JonBenet. But he said he also doubts a family member killed her.
"There may have been other people in the house that night, and I don't mean a stranger or family," Ressler said. "I just don't know. We may never know."

BlueCrab will love that post.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab will love that post.

Nehemiah,

Yes, I've been aware of what Ressler wrote. IMO there's a good possibility of a fifth person, and maybe even a sixth person, in the house that night. However, Burke Ramsey or another family member would also have to be involved because the Ramseys are up to their chins in a coverup. They wouldn't cover up for a non-family member unless a family member was an accomplice.

The erotic asphyxiation device wrapped around JonBenet's neck points to a teen or young adult. They are the ones who experiment with such sexual contraptions. That's why John Andrew Ramsey and Nathan Inouye remain in my BDI theories.

JMO

 

[Britt]

Ressler said he doubts that a stranger broke into the home and killed JonBenet. But he said he also doubts a family member killed her.
"There may have been other people in the house that night, and I don't mean a stranger or family," Ressler said.

Very interesting. Thank you for posting that, Tipper.

IMO there's a good possibility of a fifth person, and maybe even a sixth person, in the house that night. However, Burke Ramsey or another family member would also have to be involved because the Ramseys are up to their chins in a coverup. They wouldn't cover up for a non-family member unless a family member was an accomplice.

True, BlueCrab. Of course they wouldn't.

Another possibility is the Ramseys didn't want it known that this particular "fifth person" was in their home to begin with, i.e. a drug dealer or other known criminal - see the post about the $118,000 organized crime connection - or a child photographer or filmmaker or some icky thing.

IMO the "fifth personality" - a term, by the way, used by Lou Smit (see the Couric interview) - was literally "a personality," as in one of Patsy's. Yeah, I know she wasn't diagnosed. But she was never evaluated.

 

[Toltec]

Nehemiah,

Yes, I've been aware of what Ressler wrote. IMO there's a good possibility of a fifth person, and maybe even a sixth person, in the house that night. However, Burke Ramsey or another family member would also have to be involved because the Ramseys are up to their chins in a coverup. They wouldn't cover up for a non-family member unless a family member was an accomplice.

The erotic asphyxiation device wrapped around JonBenet's neck points to a teen or young adult. They are the ones who experiment with such sexual contraptions. That's why John Andrew Ramsey and Nathan Inouye remain in my BDI theories.

JMO

Three days after JonBenet's murder, JAR told LE that he would forgive the killer. If BlueCrab's theory is correct than it explalins JAR's statement. He would forgive little brother Burke.

Would JAR forgive step-mother Patsy? During his interview he described his step-mother as "flashy" which to me was inapproptiate given that Patsy just lost her precious daughter. He even went so far as to point the finger at Patsy's friends. Sounds like JAR has no respect for his step-mom.

 

[BrotherMoon]

Sandy was sometimes embarrassed by her mother...

Sandy's mother had a fashy winter coat trimmed with fluffy fox fur...

 

[vicktor]

?? You don't believe the DNA is the solution, or you don't believe the BPD when they said he was cleared?

Britt, I remember that somewhere in the transcripts it was stated that Oliva's DNA did not match what was found. It don't know if it was stated that he was cleared. In an interview from the 10/02 48 hours (I believe) show in the Boulder County jail featuring Oliva the program seemed to indicate that the BPD was neither focusing on him, nor ignoring him.

I don't think the DNA holds the solution.

 

[Britt]

I don't think the DNA holds the solution.

I completely agree.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm wondering why anyone would think this was an unknown intruder. Look up the word intruder, it doesn't mean a stranger.

Dr Henry Lee said this is not a DNA case, I tend to agree with him. The DNA was old not fresh. For it to have come from the murderer it would have to be fresh. No if's, and's, or butt's about it.

Whoever killed JonBenet knew her and she knew them IMO. The marks on her body are not consistant with stun gun marks at all. Those dark marks are not consistant with someone who was stun gunned within 24 hours. JonBenet was not stun gunned and if anyone says she has they are simply lying to try and make a stun gun fit their theory of the crime and to explain away why she would go with someone she didn't know. Who knows if she knew her murderer or not? Just her and the murderer and neither are talking.

Intruder doesn't mean stranger. It simply means someone who was not invited to be there.

IMO JonBenet knew her killer and was not afraid of this person. Just who was the "santa" that said she would be recieving a visit from him "after Christmas" anyway. It wasn't Bill McReynolds. Could it have been someone from the parade? Was the "santa" from the parade checked out? I doubt he was!

 

[vicktor]

I'm wondering why anyone would think this was an unknown intruder. JonBenet was not stun gunned and if anyone says she has they are simply lying to try and make a stun gun fit their theory of the crime and to explain away why she would go with someone she didn't know.

When you compare the different senarios involving different people, and look at all the facts and information surrounding the crime, to me the most likely choice is an intruder, who probably didn't know the Ramseys, did it. Any way you approach it, it is a very unusual crime. There's info in other posts that when weighed back and forth, point to an intruder.

There is something lacking in the statements that no stun gun was used. Its what could have caused the 2 sets of marks on JB's back and face? As anyone can tell by observation, anything that produces a mark on the skin has to be firmly pressed and held for a long period on the skin, or something has to gouge or strike the skin to make an abrasion. If that isn't done the skin will smooth out and return to normal color in a few minutes. So far I haven't seen any explanations that made much sense regarding what caused the set of marks on her back, and the 2 marks on her face, which would have occured between 9pm and when she died.

 

[SisterSocks]

Sandy was sometimes embarrassed by her mother...

Sandy's mother had a fashy winter coat trimmed with fluffy fox fur...

Miss Brodie is so boring .

 

[BrotherMoon]

Hell, Peanuts is too deep for you.

 

[SisterSocks]

Hell, Peanuts is too deep for you.

Shame on you Moon! Me and Snoopy are on great speaking terms :angel:


Sorry think the book was boring in high school and 25 years later its still nuts, and has nothing to do with the death of Jon Benet Ramsey.

So what that Patsy quoted it in her youth --- She didn't quote Brodie while Jon Benet died . Sometimes you just gotta get over it.


Moon its one of those times