If George and Cindy truly believed in a Kidnapping, What are the Details??

[Sara Barracuda]

Maybe GA needs to stop drinking the "CA Kool-Aid"!

 

[CaliKid]

This is one of the worst things about KC and Cindy's claims. CA says kidnappers have Caylee and she has the tips to prove it. So, follow up on those tips. Locate Zanny and Sister Sam or whomever the designated perp of the week is. Locate your granddaughter and bring her home. If there really is a kidnapper out there, you just can't wait for KC's trial for the truth to be made known. Every day that passes puts her in more danger.

 

[Jolynna]

I see this as the 'Anti-Truth Game' began by Casey over 10 years ago. The A's have been programed to role play into the 'Defense of the False' to keep playing. In their 'Dream World' they must pretend that the game is winnable. That is their reality. It is one thing to control people and another to control the absence of people. Caylee is absent. If the 'Truth' is recovered then the control doesn't exist. Control in the absence of people requires 'fictions'. Defending the False against the Truth creates a divided Mind. That is the source of all the contradictions. The A's should have never played the Anti-Truth Game with Casey.

Casey told the detective that she was terrified. Well, the distance between the Charade and the Truth is an abyss. That is her fear. She will never get out now that too many are playing the game. She can't get out the of Dream Story.

Casey's fantasy control using fictitious people has morphed into a community play. If one can't control real people is it easier to control fictitious people?

Why is Caylee absent? Or is she?

I agree with this.

I also think the Anthony's are desperately clinging to the .0001% chance that Casey MIGHT be telling the truth. (this time)

 

[impatientredhead]

You are looking for a rational explanation for how they can hold on to these beliefs, and I'm afraid that train left the station some time ago.

KC is a known and proven liar to G&C, yet they choose to believe her. That makes no sense, yet it is what it is. Once they have made that leap into Caseyland, it's babysteps to believe someone broke into the tow yard, stashed a body in the trunk of the car, broke back in and took it away, the local LE, FBI, and assorted labs across the country are all involved in some conspiracy, because of course they would have a stake in Caylee being taken away an never being found....
Lanie

I totally agree with you. We are watching a long ingrained family dynamic.

Casey lies, steals, cheats, does whatever she wants to get whatever she wants.

Cindy yells at her behind closed doors, makes her feel worthless, Casey uses this to justify her behavior. In public Cindy tows the line, fixes the mess, and DEMANDS that everyone around her accept the explanation regardless of how ridiculous it is. This too reinforces and escalates Casey's behavior since she has no consequences except her mother berating her behind closed doors and occasionally in front of her boyfriend of the day.

Lee acts as Mr. Fix It/Peacekeeper because that is his role. He is noted as being the one closest to Casey. This swooping in when mom walks away to find out what really happened and calm Cindy down did not start on July 15th.

George clearly has his own opinions but will only go so far in crossing Cindy. In interviews alone with the police he sounds logical and accepting of the facts. In public he tows the Cindy line, regardless of how illogical he knows it is. That is his role (I hate men like this by the way, men that appear to be victims in the family dynamic but really are part of the abuse cycle their kids and grandchildren grow up in by not stopping the crazy woman they live with. And then they get sympathy from people around them.).

I do think George towing the line with the kidnapping story is his attempt to manage Cindy who is clearly not manageable. Cindy is use to believing she is in control and her behavior enabled by Lee and George. She cannot fathom that she cannot steer this situation and cannot get people to sway to her view of events. Cindy acting like she is in control and Casey playing the submissive victim while pulling all the strings is nothing new.

They are surrounded by people like Baez and the PI telling them that Casey is falsely accused, that there is no evidence, and that there are sitings of Caylee. Those are the only people that will be allowed near. In Cindy's interview of a few days ago when she says "Nothing will ever convince me that Casey harmed Caylee in anyway".... I think that is the most honest thing that has been said so far.

 

[impatientredhead]

Cindy doesn't trust the police -- because they aren't drinking the Kool-Aid with her.

Cindy at this point just believe that Caylee is missing. She for some reason has blocked out EVERY OTHER DETAIL in this case. Watch the interviews. She basically is angry because the police can't find her granddaughter. That's where it ends.

Cindy cannot take back what she has said. You cannot say your daughter is a sociopath and then just take it back.

You can put the facts of this case in front of a fifth grader and they would be able to tell you what happened.

They seem to trust the police the 20 plus times they have called them out to their house. I don't believe that they don't trust the police. They fear what the police will find either because they will have to accept Caylee's death or because of what it means for Casey.

 

[bookworm474]

NG needs to have on her program a good amount of information about giving tips to Law Enforcement. LE depends on the public for good information. Wouldn't it be a good idea to inform the public about how to do that in light of the fact that some people give the police information that they can not follow up on. False information given to them cost a great deal of resources and aggravation. They are willing to work hard and an informed public would help them.

 

[Gaia713]

You are looking for a rational explanation for how they can hold on to these beliefs, and I'm afraid that train left the station some time ago.

KC is a known and proven liar to G&C, yet they choose to believe her. That makes no sense, yet it is what it is. Once they have made that leap into Caseyland, it's babysteps to believe someone broke into the tow yard, stashed a body in the trunk of the car, broke back in and took it away, the local LE, FBI, and assorted labs across the country are all involved in some conspiracy, because of course they would have a stake in Caylee being taken away an never being found....
Lanie

and left no evidence in both of those break ins. Funny how someone broke into the trunk two times, yet George had to have a KEY to get into it.

THe larger the conspiracy, the less likely it is to be kept secret. The only conspiracy is the family's comspiracy to keep Casey innocent.

 

[txsvicki]

I don't think George and Cindy really believe Caylee is alive. They're probably saving all the details of Casey's story for the trial. I figure they will blame an illegal immigrant who had stolen the name ZG and it's now a Mexican type kidnapping. Maybe even somehow related to some wild story about drugs.

 

[Pink Panther]

I am new to Websleuths and I hope that making this new thread is ok because I have not seen this topic.

If George and Cindy truly believed with all there heart that Casey sold Caylee or was in someway responsible for Caylee to be kidnaped then why have they not gone to LE and told them everything Casey said while she was out on bail?

Because it would hurt Casey’s case?......So what they say there #1 goal is to find Caylee. Having the little girl home and Casey being charged with human trafficking would not be so bad!!

Why if they believed she is still out there why would they not tell the public all details so we could help? The kidnappers would not kill her now....I mean now that they know the Anthony's and the public know who they are......come on already if it’s true then they would not stop until everyone knew the whole truth. If the world knew WHO took her she could be home by the end of the day!!!

Grade school children could reason through this.

 

[PaperDoll]

Here's my take
Casey is 100% to blame for this
I don't blame GA or Cindy for holding out hope that Caylee is still alive
What I would fault them for is blaming other folks such as LE or Tim Miller, when their daughter is the one who has not cooperated, and lied at every turn
If they don't want to blame their daughter is one thing to divert that blame to others is just wrong
The other thing that bothers me is this notion that they seem to know the real story but aren;t telling anybody. How does that help Caylee

I agree :clap:

I think they should simply stay out of the limelight. They are only hurting themselves further.

 

[Boots-OK]

I totally agree with you. We are watching a long ingrained family dynamic.

Casey lies, steals, cheats, does whatever she wants to get whatever she wants.

Cindy yells at her behind closed doors, makes her feel worthless, Casey uses this to justify her behavior. In public Cindy tows the line, fixes the mess, and DEMANDS that everyone around her accept the explanation regardless of how ridiculous it is. This too reinforces and escalates Casey's behavior since she has no consequences except her mother berating her behind closed doors and occasionally in front of her boyfriend of the day.

Lee acts as Mr. Fix It/Peacekeeper because that is his role. He is noted as being the one closest to Casey. This swooping in when mom walks away to find out what really happened and calm Cindy down did not start on July 15th.

George clearly has his own opinions but will only go so far in crossing Cindy. In interviews alone with the police he sounds logical and accepting of the facts. In public he tows the Cindy line, regardless of how illogical he knows it is. That is his role (I hate men like this by the way, men that appear to be victims in the family dynamic but really are part of the abuse cycle their kids and grandchildren grow up in by not stopping the crazy woman they live with. And then they get sympathy from people around them.).

I do think George towing the line with the kidnapping story is his attempt to manage Cindy who is clearly not manageable. Cindy is use to believing she is in control and her behavior enabled by Lee and George. She cannot fathom that she cannot steer this situation and cannot get people to sway to her view of events. Cindy acting like she is in control and Casey playing the submissive victim while pulling all the strings is nothing new.

They are surrounded by people like Baez and the PI telling them that Casey is falsely accused, that there is no evidence, and that there are sitings of Caylee. Those are the only people that will be allowed near. In Cindy's interview of a few days ago when she says "Nothing will ever convince me that Casey harmed Caylee in anyway".... I think that is the most honest thing that has been said so far.

I am so in agreement with this line of thinking.

George and Cindy know that Caylee is gone. But, Cindy will not be in charge and control once she acknowledges this. They are well versed in playing their sick game - they have been at it for a long time. Casey lies and performs her evil deeds, Cindy blows up - but fixes everything - Casey is waiting for Cindy to fix this...Cindy is buying time trying to come up with the right "fix" for this tragedy. I have seen family dysfunction in my time but nothing that even remotely compares to this mess.

Unfortunately, I fear they will all continue in their roles and that the truth may never surface. The even sadder fact is that this event is proving to be quite lucrative for them which will only delay justice for Caylee.

 

[Gaia713]

I don't think George and Cindy really believe Caylee is alive. They're probably saving all the details of Casey's story for the trial. I figure they will blame an illegal immigrant who had stolen the name ZG and it's now a Mexican type kidnapping. Maybe even somehow related to some wild story about drugs.

You KNOW this kidnapping of the little boy in Nevada has given them new hope. Of course, they'd have to finally admit that Casey does drugs to go with that theory. Why was there no ransom note?

 

[MysteryAddict]

What a script they have here for a novel or a movie. Right? Motive? Money!! Lots of it!!

No way do I believe at this point that GA, CA and LA do not know that Caylee is deceased!
They are not stupid people. They have actually been up close to the evidence.

So..why do they persist in stubbornly claiming in the face of forensic evidence that Caylee is alive? All I can think is that it makes the script more interesting!

I can only surmise that they have been advised to stick with this script as it makes for a better story!!

 

[Noway]

If you were George and Cindy, which would you rather believe?

1. Your granddaughter was kidnapped, but your PIs are just two steps from bringing her home.
2. Your granddaughter was murdered by your daughter, and your daughter will not tell you where her body is. Ever.

Until the remains of Caylee are in front of them, I think George and Cindy need to stick with option 1, for their own sanity. I can't really blame them for that ... I'd be in that same world. Denial, yes. But that's where I'd be.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I saw the interview with GA. He said the only thing keeping him from taking his life is his hope that the baby is alive. If that keeps him alive I say let him believe.

I have to agree with you there, but the truth is if someone is threatening to take their own life under any circumstances they need to be Baker Acted immediately and kept up for a while because they are unstable and a danger to themself and others.

 

[impatientredhead]

If you were George and Cindy, which would you rather believe?

1. Your granddaughter was kidnapped, but your PIs are just two steps from bringing her home.
2. Your granddaughter was murdered by your daughter, and your daughter will not tell you where her body is. Ever.

Until the remains of Caylee are in front of them, I think George and Cindy need to stick with option 1, for their own sanity. I can't really blame them for that ... I'd be in that same world. Denial, yes. But that's where I'd be.

Even if they find the body they will say whomever took her killed her and it is LE's fault because they were too busy persecuting Casey. As long as Casey has someone that believes her story she will stick with her victim/martyr role. Even if the family did stop believing this is a high enough profile case that Casey will have supporters contacting her and telling her how much they believe her. Crazy attracts crazy.

 

[ma2patrick]

I saw the interview with GA. He said the only thing keeping him from taking his life is his hope that the baby is alive. If that keeps him alive I say let him believe.

He's not going to take his own life, he's as self-centered as KC. His interviews reflect a man who is concerned with his own self-image.

He reminds me of my own father who downed a bottle of pills and then turned himself into the ER only to blame my mother for his actions. He was attempting suicide to get away from HER. He turned himself in so he wouldn't die, but made sure he made maximum impact to her emotionally.

gimme a break.

Narcissism.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I agree :clap:

I think they should simply stay out of the limelight. They are only hurting themselves further.

I believe they are hurting KC's case too. They have done irreparable harm with all their actions already. They need to just shut up and go where they think Caylee might be.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

He's not going to take his own life, he's as self-centered as KC. His interviews reflect a man who is concerned with his own self-image.

He reminds me of my own father who downed a bottle of pills and then turned himself into the ER only to blame my mother for his actions. He was attempting suicide to get away from HER. He turned himself in so he wouldn't die, but made sure he made maximum impact to her emotionally.

gimme a break.

Narcissism.

I agree with you.

I would find it extremely funny if, because of his threats LE Baker Acted him.

 

[Short_Stuff]

Cindy and George are victims of Caseys manipulation, and want to believe their granddaughter is alive, and thats why the denial. Its that simple.
But I too, think while George is holding out hope, he knows deep down she is gone. Another words, hes hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.