If George and Cindy truly believed in a Kidnapping, What are the Details??

[cfromcanada]

I wonder if the entire A family isn't guilty of compartmentalized thinking. They separate each action in isolation from the whole.

They demonstrate this with their actions:
1. I only washed the pants because they smelled like the car.
2. There's nothing important in KC's medical records.
3. It's my JC Penny bill and there's nothing important on it.
4. The car needed to be aired out and cleaned.
5. We're just telling you what KC told us was true.
6. We only picked up KC's belongings from AL's house and sorted through them (and besides, that money in her wallet was probably what she took from me).

And they demonstrate it in their denial of KC's guilt:
1. Telling lies doesn't make you a murderer.
2. There might have been a body in the trunk but it wasn't our granddaughter.
3. KC just needed bonding time with Caylee.
4. Those party pictures were taken a long time ago.
6. ZG was probably just a name for anyone who was babysitting Caylee.
7. She can't tell us anything because it would put Caylee in danger.

They keep all these facts separate and isolated, one from another. This way all their deeds never add up and become tampering with evidence or covering up a crime or murder or even having to admit their granddaughter is gone.

Compartmentalized thinking; they refuse to (or can't?) put all the pieces together.

You make a very interesting point. Putting everything together and then everything comes apart!

 

[azwriter]

Where are the pleas? Why aren't George and Cindy using the air time they receive to directly address the kidnappers and beg for the release of Caylee?
Why can't they stand up with LE and offer some kind of deal to arrange an exchange for their granddaughter with the help of LE?
Why do we rarely hear the name of their missing granddaughter when they speak with the press?
I recall how Scott Peterson handled his on-air address about his missing wife. He never made a direct plea to the people who might have abducted his wife, Laci. Instead he address the public to go out and find Laci. He put the blame on the general public for not finding his wife.
His involvement, to me, was as phony as I hear from the Anthonys. And we know how his case turned out.
JMO

 

[MarleneM]

I wonder if the entire A family isn't guilty of compartmentalized thinking. They separate each action in isolation from the whole.

They demonstrate this with their actions:
1. I only washed the pants because they smelled like the car.
2. There's nothing important in KC's medical records.
3. It's my JC Penny bill and there's nothing important on it.
4. The car needed to be aired out and cleaned.
5. We're just telling you what KC told us was true.
6. We only picked up KC's belongings from AL's house and sorted through them (and besides, that money in her wallet was probably what she took from me).

And they demonstrate it in their denial of KC's guilt:
1. Telling lies doesn't make you a murderer.
2. There might have been a body in the trunk but it wasn't our granddaughter.
3. KC just needed bonding time with Caylee.
4. Those party pictures were taken a long time ago.
6. ZG was probably just a name for anyone who was babysitting Caylee.
7. She can't tell us anything because it would put Caylee in danger.

They keep all these facts separate and isolated, one from another. This way all their deeds never add up and become tampering with evidence or covering up a crime or murder or even having to admit their granddaughter is gone.

Compartmentalized thinking; they refuse to (or can't?) put all the pieces together.

Yes. I've noticed this as well from all of the A's. You try to make an argument with one of them about the discrepencies between any 2 of their statements and they can't make a timeline for all their theories. They don't add up, but they keep confusing people by arguing mismatched "chapters" of their stories rather than stick to one consistant streamed truth of what happened.

 

[Dr. Know?]

If my grandchild had been kidnapped:
1. The minute I found out, I would call 911. CA first called about a stolen car.
2. I would give LE correct information sucha as the correct date of the last time I saw my grand daughter. (CA didn't give the correct date, LE had to prove to her the last time she saw Caylee was Father's Day, not the date she and KC gave.)
3. I would demand a sketch done of the alleged kidnapper. (OH, CA hasn't ever seen the babysitter that kept her grand child for 2 1/2 years.)
4. I would go to the media for help. (CA did this, not beneficial.)
5. I would go to the bank and re-mortgage my house awaiting a call from the kidnapper demanding a ransom. (The A's never received a ransom demand)
6. I would go to the places of any siting of my grandchild. (CA went to NY to be on TV)
7. I would beg and plead on tv for her safe return. (Ca has never pleaded with any kidnappers for Caylee's life.
There are no kidnappers here,just CA and her crew spinning and spinning and spinning until they think we are dizzy. I'm not dizzy, I can spin with the best.
CA needs to find a new tale to tell cause I'm sick of this one and her.

I agree! Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.

 

[DotsEyes]

They believed she was working, why not the kidnapping nanny story?

 

[Lady Angler]

Yes. I've noticed this as well from all of the A's. You try to make an argument with one of them about the discrepencies between any 2 of their statements and they can't make a timeline for all their theories. They don't add up, but they keep confusing people by arguing mismatched "chapters" of their stories rather than stick to one consistant streamed truth of what happened.

Bolded by me...
What seems like confusion to many of us is normal with the Anthony family. If things are too confusing, people tend to give up. Cindy's ability to confuse others all these years may backfire. Casey's inheritied / learned ability to do the same was first shown in the interview with LE at the home. Remember the story about the cell phones and the SIM cards? To me, that could have been Cindy's voice.

 

[LCoastMom]

If my grandchild had been kidnapped:
1. The minute I found out, I would call 911. CA first called about a stolen car.

Cindy called about a stolen car before she realized Caylee was missing, as soon as KC told her Caylee was missing she called 911, frantic. You can hear it in her voice, she was barely able to get the words out.

2. I would give LE correct information sucha as the correct date of the last time I saw my grand daughter. (CA didn't give the correct date, LE had to prove to her the last time she saw Caylee was Father's Day, not the date she and KC gave.)

LE had to prove it to her because she was so sure she was right, not because she was trying to hide something. Cindy is the one who said, there is a sign in sheet, go check it, it will show I am right. Cindy had been beside herself with sadness over KC leaving with Caylee for a month, not realizing anything was wrong, there was nothing she could do, Caylee was (supposedly) with her mother, Cindy's hands were tied.


3. I would demand a sketch done of the alleged kidnapper. (OH, CA hasn't ever seen the babysitter that kept her grand child for 2 1/2 years.)

Caylee is KC's child, regardless of Cindy's feelings, KC can take her to whatever babysitter she wants, as long as the child was properly cared for.

4. I would go to the media for help. (CA did this, not beneficial.)

Not beneficial because Caylee had already been dead for a month.There was nothing Cindy could have done to change this.


5. I would go to the bank and re-mortgage my house awaiting a call from the kidnapper demanding a ransom. (The A's never received a ransom demand)

Their house already had a second mortgage, this would have solved nothing.
As soon as a ransom demand came in the FBI would have been there with whatever they needed to get Caylee back.


6. I would go to the places of any siting of my grandchild. (CA went to NY to be on TV)

LE would have prevented them from doing this, but which of those calls would you have followed up on? 'She was tossed over a bridge- she's in the water with gators- she's buried by a tree-' they were all pretty much the same. LE did follow up on the live sightings, even after they knew they had Caylee's DNA in the trunk.


7. I would beg and plead on tv for her safe return. (Ca has never pleaded with any kidnappers for Caylee's life.

When families plead for a safe return, they are talking to a real person. There was no real person to beg. They have known this for a very long time.


There are no kidnappers here,just CA and her crew spinning and spinning and spinning until they think we are dizzy. I'm not dizzy, I can spin with the best.
CA needs to find a new tale to tell cause I'm sick of this one and her.

This color is mine. I hope you understand the reasons behind the actions a little better now.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I recently re-read the transcripts from the first jail call Casey made to her family to get her boyfriend's phone number after being arrested. In it, Cindy tells her that she wouldn't be jail if she hadn't "lied, sweetheart." I found that part of the exchange so weird...I'm sure you can see why given what Cindy has said in public and to investigators. She knew Casey lied -- and at that particular point in time, appears to have thought Casey was merely keeping Casey from her and that was all. It is true, IMO and observation, that family is more concerned with appearances than truth. I also find it contradictory of Cindy to believe what she's admitted to people openly as Casey's lying and stealing nature to not consider seriously the evidence LE has collected and now presented to get an indictment against Casey. And the main question Cindy should (but won't) ask herself is why would LE only want to pin this on her daughter? What motivation would they have if they could find a little girl safe and alive? The answer is so simple and so clear that Cindy, who has enabled Casey to never take responsibility for her actions and heard all sorts of outlandish tales from her, can't see or doesn't want to understand reality from someone else.

I find it compelling that the brother appears to be invisible now, and I have to take his statements to Casey during that same call about not letting Casey lead him down the garden path like she has their mother important. The guy gave Casey the benefit of the doubt, and did his part to try to help confirm what she'd told everyone. I have long observed that he needed to have the guts to sit his parents down and have the "I'm your son and here's what this all points to" chat with them: perhaps he did and now things are fractured specifically between him and his mother as a result and that's why we don't see him.

2 women in this family are an issue, IMO, especially their dysfunctional realationship with each other. 1 is in jail and needs to stay there, and the other needs to be in therapy.

(bold mine)

ITA Actually they both need to be in treatment IMO. It's unconscienable that even now they wouldn't seek to get their daughter any mental health treatment but find it easier to portray her as a martyr. And no doubt chose the clergy they did finally send very carefully. Really sad, and incredibly, unbelievably selfish. It appears CA would rather maintain appearances and let her daughter rot in jail or get the needle than get her some counsel and assist her in facing and revealing the stark, painful, unflattering truth. Who does this?? JMO

 

[kiki the parrot]

The truly ironic thing in all this is that Casey's family in trying to protect her are the ones who are sealing her fate.

It's very possible Casey could have beaten the whole rap IF her family hadn't chosen to shield her instead of taking REAL measures to save/find Caylee.

If Casey is the Titanic, her parents are the iceberg.

*Glub glub Casey*

(bold mine)

YES Exactly right, have said this and pointed out if it turns out to have been negligence scenario which she felt unable to admit to CA ("I know my mother will never forgive me"), by hiding Caylee's remains she will have also destroyed the only evidence that could ever have proven this. Her mother's collusion truly IS sealing her fate--and JB has done his client a terrible disservice too. JMO.

 

[Chilly Willy]

This color is mine. I hope you understand the reasons behind the actions a little better now.

Adding to what you said, it is my understanding that a sketch was done of the alleged babysitter, but that LE wouldn't release it. There is nothing Cindy can do about that.

 

[Where's Andre]

Yes. I've noticed this as well from all of the A's. You try to make an argument with one of them about the discrepencies between any 2 of their statements and they can't make a timeline for all their theories. They don't add up, but they keep confusing people by arguing mismatched "chapters" of their stories rather than stick to one consistant streamed truth of what happened.

This seems classic delusional behavior, and may or may not be "conscious".

Delusional thinking starts with a fixed notion--"Caylee is alive"-- and then starts looking for "facts" that support this, and discredits anything that doesn't support the fixed notion. Regardless of how strange these beliefs seem to outsiders.

Both the case against and the case that supports aren't coherent, because accepting the case against destroys the fixed notion, and the case that supports always contains information that can't be told or isn't known yet.

So you have a "stable", but logically inconsistant system (to an outsider). Argue one of their points, and they bring up a different seemingly logically unrelated point for/or against. This is because there's mystical internal logic at work, based on "secret" information. In the delusional's mind, all the compartments are interconnected-- it's just that outsiders can't see the grand design, because it's too special or secret or complicated for outsiders to comprehend.

It's as if a delusion has a logic and will all its own, and will do whatever it needs to do to survive. At it will make it's "host" irritatable and angry if some small or big bit of information threatens its existance.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Adding to what you said, it is my understanding that a sketch was done of the alleged babysitter, but that LE wouldn't release it. There is nothing Cindy can do about that.

I am not sure, but I don't think that ever happened. I believe CA TOLD that Baez had a sketch and "they knew" who it was. I don't believe KC ever did anything with LE except that first interview with all the lies. After that Baez was telling her not to talk.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

(bold mine)

YES Exactly right, have said this and pointed out if it turns out to have been negligence scenario which she felt unable to admit to CA ("I know my mother will never forgive me"), by hiding Caylee's remains she will have also destroyed the only evidence that could ever have proven this. Her mother's collusion truly IS sealing her fate--and JB has done his client a terrible disservice too. JMO.

I believe this too. I have said from the beginning KC could have arranged just a few years jail time if CA had let her tell that it was an accident and she panicked (which at her age people would have believed). She would have been asked where the body was, but if it was not found where she told them, it would not have been a big surprise in Florida wetlands.

Now, CA has set up this bizarre scenario which will NEVER be believed and by sticking with it they sealed KC's fate. I have always wondered if CA didn't (at least subconsciously) want KC in jail for the rest of her life. In my mind there is more to this or CA would have let KC pled this down. It may be the "WHO" of the father which kept them all locked into the lies.

If you remember the very FIRST mention of a kidnapper was CA when she said WHO TOOK HER? I believe the "script" began at that time in KC's mind and has continued until it has become ridiculous. By CA & GA going along with it, they have set their daughter up for the death penalty or at least life.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I am not sure, but I don't think that ever happened. I believe CA TOLD that Baez had a sketch and "they knew" who it was. I don't believe KC ever did anything with LE except that first interview with all the lies. After that Baez was telling her not to talk.

You could be right. I recall either reading or hearing that LE did a sketch but did not release it. Regardless, it's unfair to place the blame on Cindy. How can she be expected to create a sketch of someone she admits she's never seen?

 

[LCoastMom]

You could be right. I recall either reading or hearing that LE did a sketch but did not release it. Regardless, it's unfair to place the blame on Cindy. How can she be expected to create a sketch of someone she admits she's never seen?

I thought I read there was a sketch, it had a 'limited release', I took this to mean it never left the office were it was generated because it either was too vague or they believed it looked like someone who had no relation to Caylee's disappearance.

Kind of the way Juliette Lewis had no part in this mess.

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I have a hard time putting blame for anything that happens to KC off on Cindy or George. Unless they are charged with a crime, what happens to KC was caused by KC.

 

[anastacia129]

snippedIt's as if a delusion has a logic and will all its own, and will do whatever it needs to do to survive. At it will make it's "host" irritatable and angry if some small or big bit of information threatens its existance.

I could not agree with this more, I know so many people that live this way. If ever a logical argument is givin that the "host" cannot explain away or that there is no explanation to give, they simply change the subject or become very irate and place blame. A great example of this is kc 's interview at Universal. You just can't argue facts with people like that, and that's why I have givin up trying to figure CA out. I can't even listen to her speak anymore.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I believe this too. I have said from the beginning KC could have arranged just a few years jail time if CA had let her tell that it was an accident and she panicked (which at her age people would have believed). She would have been asked where the body was, but if it was not found where she told them, it would not have been a big surprise in Florida wetlands.

Now, CA has set up this bizarre scenario which will NEVER be believed and by sticking with it they sealed KC's fate. I have always wondered if CA didn't (at least subconsciously) want KC in jail for the rest of her life. In my mind there is more to this or CA would have let KC pled this down. It may be the "WHO" of the father which kept them all locked into the lies.

If you remember the very FIRST mention of a kidnapper was CA when she said WHO TOOK HER? I believe the "script" began at that time in KC's mind and has continued until it has become ridiculous. By CA & GA going along with it, they have set their daughter up for the death penalty or at least life.

ITA Actually I've maintained, in a drowning scenario eg unless any negligence found rose to the level of culpable (ie gross and flagrant failure to use ordinary care) and had she reported that (rather than lied and hid her daughter's remains), she might not have faced charges at all. That is of course assuming she hadn't gone out on stealing rampages afterward. There is in truth only one reason why KC wouldn't have either admitted to--or even feigned instead--a more believable accident scenario by now and that is because it isn't LE whom KC fears. CA's had the only "script" that's effectively controlled or dictated "from Day One" what KC is able, and unable, to reveal. Unbelievable. (Sorry, afraid I'm fresh out of words for this whole crazy, tragic fiasco... insane, absurd, incredible, unimaginable, outrageous, ridiculous, horrendous, atrocious, preposterous, despicable, infuriating, heartbreaking, heartwrenching, did I say crazymaking... oy... take your pick... ok yes bizarre, thanks, works for me too.) JMO

 

[LCoastMom]

WKMG 6 is doing a 'new' story over several nites dissecting Caylee's disappearance, starting with the time line. Using all the text messages and KC's behavior. The videos with TL on the 16th are only the beginning I'm sure. I'm wondering if they are going to use the pings, the way it was done here?

They showed the clip of Cindy saying LE has caused them to lose 4.5 months and the evidence (or lack of, is what I'm reading between the lines here) is ridiculous. I'm beginning to think KC could confess to her and LE could find remains and Cindy will not believe either of them. I really do feel for her. :banghead: I don't think she will ever recover from this, if KC gets anything less than life w/o parole, and anything happens to G & C, KC should have to answer to those charges too.


I have a friend whose 4 month old gb was diagnosed with a terminal disease, she had an RN with her on the way to a routine MD appt. When they got to the office it was discovered that the baby had died while the nurse sat there next to her and never said a word.

The nurse ended up losing her license, if she had been doing the job she was hired for, even tho the baby was going to die at some point (most with this illness live about a year) it was determined she wouldn't have died that day.

In the A family KC is this nurse, she wrecked havoc on her family by not saying what needed to be said months ago.

 

[LCoastMom]

Sorry about peaking the curiosity of everyone but I felt I had to say that not all of the tips were released. I didn't ask to remain anonymous, I assumed that! I hope I don't get slammed with emails when/if they release!

I wasn't anything huge, just a contact I found that was altered the very next day. I luckily had saved it and the web address information by copy/pasting into a word doc that I saved in my Caylee file. I am thinking there are more than one of this person and found two other things I included about this person to prove that this was the right one.

I was driven crazy by what I found for WEEKS before I finally got the courage to submit it. I just KNOW it was very important so I had to do it. Way out of my norm...

:clap: :applause: :clap: :applause: :clap: :applause: :clap:

Good for you for doing the right thing twice (the email and the request to forward reward to TES!!):dance::dance::dance: I would have been scared out of my mind to email in case I was wrong. :winkaway:I know logically that isn't helpful, just mind games!! :yow:

I hope you'll share your input with us at the appropriate time!:liar: (that's me being nosy, not lying tho!!)

Did you go through every page of those crazy tips? :bowdown::bowdown:

 

[faefrost]

Sorry about peaking the curiosity of everyone but I felt I had to say that not all of the tips were released. I didn't ask to remain anonymous, I assumed that! I hope I don't get slammed with emails when/if they release!

I wasn't anything huge, just a contact I found that was altered the very next day. I luckily had saved it and the web address information by copy/pasting into a word doc that I saved in my Caylee file. I am thinking there are more than one of this person and found two other things I included about this person to prove that this was the right one.

I was driven crazy by what I found for WEEKS before I finally got the courage to submit it. I just KNOW it was very important so I had to do it. Way out of my norm...

I think they did say that the tips that were still part of the ongoing investigation were not released. As an example the witnesses who thought they saw KC on the roadway.