If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[sunspun]

Your argument highlights one of the biggest flaws in the intruder theory: it requires the perpetrator to act improbably or irrationally. A premeditated kidnapper would not waste time writing a ransom note or crafting a garrote on-site, as these actions dramatically increase the risk of being caught.





Instead, the evidence points more logically to someone who had intimate knowledge of the family, was already inside the home, and may have panicked, leading to improvisation and eventual staging of the crime scene.

And why on earth would you be surprised that a person who sneaks into a stranger's home and KILLS a little girl would act "improbably or irrationally"?? If a stranger did do this, that person is crazy! Crazy people do crazy things. And crazy evil people do crazy evil things, many of which are irrational. That's part of the definition of crazy. This person was not normal. Not surprised if he did abnormal things one would not expect done.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

If it was an intruder it was someone crazy like BTK, extremely calculated and well thought out. The only way an intruder makes sense is if they broke in and intentionally made it look like the parents covered it up. That would take extreme planning on their part. Intentionally using things that were already in the home (paper, pen, paintbrush) and purposely trying to write like PR and use things in the ransom note that point back at the parents ($118000) would be very smart. If it was an intruder (I don't personally think it was) you can pretty much rule out a crazy person off the street.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Some of the letter a's in the ransom note look like they were changed after it was written.... Like the a's in "anyone" and "tampered". But the best example is the single letter a that is used before the words "stray dog".

 

[BabyGirlSlueth]

My thoughts on this case are still the same. If you are a prominent family that has as much money and such expensive belongings in your home as The Ramsey's, you are more than likely going to set an alarm for the safety of your belongings when you leave home and when you go to bed if not only to protect the belongings certainly your family members. It seems odd that on this night in particular the Ramsey's did not even bother to set the alarm to their home. It's Christmas time so I am sure there were thousands of dollars' worth of gifts under that Christmas tree. And the fact that the picture that was taken on Christmas Eve night of the Ramsey family matched the same clothing that Patsy Ramsey had on the next morning when the police arrived speaks to me as this lady never went to bed at all. The Ramsey's knew they had to destroy the crime scene by bringing in more people this is why they called all of the friends and such over to the home. Any normal human being would think no this is a crime scene go outside and wait until the cops arrive. Even if it were a child abduction it is still considered a crime scene. You cannot convince me that as intelligent as these two people are they did not know this information. And then not to mention the fact that when Mr. Ramsey found his daughter in the basement, he had to have known not to touch her or to move her body and he took her up the steps once again ruining any evidence that was there. This story is a sad misjustice of a police department that just didn't know how to control a crime scene and that was not ready for a murder case of this magnitude.

 

[Slebby]

I’m going to make a confession here. I sometimes wear the same outfit 2 days in a row!
Here’s a scenario I can see - Patsy wore an outfit to the White’s for Christmas dinner, came home, might very well have taken it off, looked at it, not dirty, I can wear it again tomorrow.
To me, wearing the same outfit is evidence of nothing.
IMO

 

[CloudedTruth]

I’m going to make a confession here. I sometimes wear the same outfit 2 days in a row!
Here’s a scenario I can see - Patsy wore an outfit to the White’s for Christmas dinner, came home, might very well have taken it off, looked at it, not dirty, I can wear it again tomorrow.
To me, wearing the same outfit is evidence of nothing.
IMO

You are not alone! I think probably there are a lot of people who sometimes do the same.....

That said, many people who knew Patsy stated that was just not something that she did. Patsy would never wear the same clothing two days in a row. And it does fit with what we know of her personality. She was someone to whom appearance was very important.

Considering it on its own, I agree that a logical conclusion would be that it might not be evidence of anything. But put together with other things it becomes a piece of the puzzle of whether or not Patsy went to bed that night.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Was the paintbrush broken at both ends so police wouldn't know it was a paintbrush and came from the house? Is that something an intruder would do?

 

[Tower]

I’m going to make a confession here. I sometimes wear the same outfit 2 days in a row!
Here’s a scenario I can see - Patsy wore an outfit to the White’s for Christmas dinner, came home, might very well have taken it off, looked at it, not dirty, I can wear it again tomorrow.
To me, wearing the same outfit is evidence of nothing.
IMO

I don’t have a strong opinion on the meaning of her outfit choices, but if I am going down to make breakfast at 5:45 in the morning, I might very well throw on what I was wearing the night before and change later into my outfit, jewelry, shoes and handbag I’m planning to travel in. I’m not a loungewear or pajamas person. She was reportedly very “put together” with all those accessories and that may not be the outfit you fix breakfast in.

I certainly would not take that as proof she stayed up all night or even that she was planning to wear the same outfit 2 days in a row when she actually left the house.

 

[Prince Namor]

Where else would the intruder get a pen and paper? Practically anywhere! A stationary store, Target, Walmart, a grocery store.......most kidnappers come prepared with a pre-written note. Short, concise and to the point. The idea is to get in and out quickly so as not to be detected and to leave as few clues behind as to their identity.

If the intruder hadn't written the note before they had entered the house where else would he have gotten the pen and paper? Of course he would have used pen and paper from the house. Is it possible the intruder never planned on kidnapping the child then changed their mind after they entered the house and used the pen and paper from within the house to write the ransom note?

 

[CloudedTruth]

If the intruder hadn't written the note before they had entered the house where else would he have gotten the pen and paper? Of course he would have used pen and paper from the house. Is it possible the intruder never planned on kidnapping the child then changed their mind after they entered the house and used the pen and paper from within the house to write the ransom note?

She was dead. Why leave a ransom note behind for a ransom you would never collect and leave possible clues to your identity? Doesn't make much sense to me....

 

[Ponytale]

Hi! I'm a long-time lurker on this forum and have been following the JB case for more than 15 years, but I have never posted. Since reading this topic and all the theories you have posted, I decided to post mine here as well. I apologize beforehand if my English is not perfect, as it is not my native language. But here it goes.

I am a 100% RDI believer and have always been through all the years I have read about this case and followed here on Websleuths. Please remember that this theory below is just my opinion.

I’d like to put my theory into a story. I hope you have time to read.


I happen to believe that the case itself is actually quite simple. It is us that tend to overthink and complicate things more than needed. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing, as we do have to look at all the details and consider all the facts to get to the right conclusion. But, nevertheless, we should think about what are the things that are worth the time and effort and what are the things that really won’t make any difference in solving this case.

My theory is that the Ramseys went out to dinner that night and arrived home about the same time they said they did. The family probably was excited after the party, and I believe the kids in the car were bubbly and excited about their presents and the upcoming trip. Patsy and John maybe were even a little stressed as they had to get up early in the morning and had things on their minds about all that still had to be done to be prepared. Why do I think that? Because to me it is just simple and logical. As a mother myself, I can easily put myself in that situation, driving home from a Christmas party and having the kids on the backseat of the car all excited and chatty and myself with my husband talking about the details and stuff that has to do with the early morning trip.

So I believe they just drove home like a regular family, and all were up and had things on their minds. It doesn’t really matter if JonBenet had fallen asleep in the car and John walked her upstairs or not. It doesn’t change anything because we already know that JB was up at some point in that night. And we also know that John and Patsy lied about many things, so it wouldn’t matter if they also lied about this or not.

If she was asleep in the car, she might have woken up the moment when John took her in his arms from the car. She might have woken up as they walked to the house. She might have woken up when she was put to bed. She might have woken up when Burke woke her up for whatever reason. She might have slept and woken up on her own at some point later. We do not know that, and as I said, I think this is one thing that we tend to overthink, as in the overall crime itself this does not change anything.

So after arriving at home, Burke wanted to assemble the toy he had gotten for Christmas, as any child would. He probably had that on his mind and was set to do it. Patsy maybe continued to pack up some things to take along for the trip in the morning and was fussing around in the house. I really don’t see John packing or organising for the upcoming trip, so he probably had nothing better to do and went to help Burke with his toy. Why do I think that? Again, because it is simple and logical scenario. If I put myself in that situation where I have a 9-year-old son who really wants to spend some time with his Christmas present, I would let him. And also I wouldn’t have time to argue with him about it being busy myself, so I would just let him do it and maybe even ask my husband to go help him so that he could go to bed soon.

As a quite pedantic mom myself, even I still would have last-minute things to think of and pack up, and I wouldn’t leave them to be done in the early morning hours when everyone is sleepy and we’d have to fuss to get everything in the car and the kids ready to leave. So I have a hard time believing that Patsy had everything planned, packed, and ready to go before they went out for the party that night. Just by knowing how chaotic their house was.

Now about JB. Already up or woken up, she also would be excited about the Christmas presents and was probably playing with something she had gotten for Christmas. I really have a hard time believing that the only gifts JonBenet got that morning were the bike and My Twinn Doll (I know about the jewellery, but I don’t think JB would play with or really care about them that night). Looking at the photos, there are multiple wrapped gifts under the tree in the living room, and I believe there were some more toys for JB and Burke. So I see JonBenet playing with something she had gotten there or from the Whites party, and Burke was playing with his gift he was eager to assemble.

I think that at some point while playing with their toys, one of them yelled for Mom to come and fix them a snack as they were hungry. Maybe Burke asked Patsy, and JonBenet heard it and replyed, “Yeah, me too!” or vice versa. Why? Because I again see that situation as plausible and normal. Maybe Patsy was even in the kitchen at that point packing something up in there, so she grabbed out a bowl of pineapple from the fridge that she had put in there before they left for the Whites. Maybe she even didn’t think about it or register it as she did it; she might just continued with her thoughts on getting things together and placed the bowl on the counter instinctivly and continued on whatever she was doing.

At some point Burke came to the kitchen and saw a bowl of pineaple placed on the counter and asked or shouted for her mom “Is this the snack I can eat?” and Patsy replyed “Yes”. So he got himself a spoon from the kitchen drawer, grabbed the bowl and went to the dining room. I doubt he sat and ate there for a long period of time. I’d rather see him scoop up a few bites and run off to play again. As JB was hungry too she also ran by the dining room and had a bite or two herself using her fingers and also ran off again.

Patsy continued her packing upstairs and did not have her attention to the kids and what they were doing downstairs. Maybe she even asked John to help and carry some bags to the garage to put them ready in the car for the morning drive to the airport. Again, just a simple and logical scenario that I see happening.

I continue on the next post.

 

[Ponytale]

With parents minding their own business, JB and Burke were left alone and at some point got to some sort of situation that ended with Burke hitting JB on the head with the maglite.

Here again is a place where we tend to overthink. Did it happen because JB stole pineapple? Did it happen because they had an argument or a fight? Did it happen because Burke was angry at her for something? Did it happen because Burke just desided to see what would happen if he swung the maglight to her head? We do not know, and again it really does not matter if we believe that Burke is the one who hit her in the head. Kids get in all sorts of misunderstandings. There was some reason that made Burke very angry, and in that moment, in that fit of rage, he grabbed the flashlight and just hit her without any thinking. They may even have played with the flashlight before that or maybe Burke was holding the flashlight and flickering with the light when they got to that situation. We do not know, and again it doesn’t change anything in the outcome.

And just like that, I think that it also does not matter where exactly in that house it happened. In my scenario it happened somewhere downstairs, as they were eating the snack there.

When Burke hit her, she fell down immediately and lost all consciousness. As Patsy and John were upstairs, they did not know anything about what had happened. Burke did not mean to kill her or even think that it would happen. I think that he watched her falling on the floor and was shocked. Maybe he tried to wake her up by shaking

her with his hands or leg, asking her to get up. As it didn’t happen, he got more and more scared and decided to poke her with something (train tracks, a stun gun, or something else that was available) to get her up and screaming.

I do not know what was used that made those marks on her body. I know about the stun gun and train track theories. I believe that if it was the stun gun, then she definitely was dead when it was used, because otherwise she would have screamed, jumped, and moved enough to not get those perfect marks. One idea that I have is that maybe the stun gun was kept somewhere in the kitchen, and Burke just took it and tried it on her to see if she would wake up. I see no reason why he would not know how to use one if one was available in the house. Or even if he didn’t, he just figured it out on the go.

As she was braindead, she did not react to the stun gun when he put it to her back, and so Burke may have held just one clamp of it against her skin for a longer period of time to leave the big burnt mark on her cheek. I really do not know if it was a stun gun or not, but somehow I also do not see the train tracks leaving the big burnt-looking mark on her cheek. It is still possible that the device used is something else. We do not know, and again, it is something that does not change the outcome; nevertheless, what was used that made those marks on her. In my theory the only reason for those marks to be there is cause someone wanted her reaction to wake her up and I don’t see Patsy or John doing something like that just to wake her up.

After a little time had already passed and Burke came to the understanding that this situation is over his head and probably panic had set in him, he yelled for Patsy or John to come.

I see him here as the little boy that he was, who did not mean for this to happen this way. I see him crying and nervous when Patsy or John or both of them arrive at the scene and screaming at him asking what happened. Just as a guilty boy who knows his parents would be angry and who is trying to explain away what exactly happened and that he was sorry and didn’t mean to, being very upset. If John got there first, he yelled for Patsy to come, and if Patsy was the first, she would yell for John.

Why do I think that? Because I would see that happening in that situation as a parent. There is no reason why one would hide it from another at this point because it is just an accident. I believe that Burke was honest and told them through his crying and shock what exactly happened and John and Patsy, at the same time they were listening, were on the ground with JB, trying to wake her up and starting to panic themselves.

They would probably send Burke away to his room as he would cry and need attention that Patsy and John would not be able to give him at this point. They understand that the situation is severe and send him away to go calm down. And I believe that is what he did.

I see him walking upstairs, crying and distraught, and going to his bed sobbing and afraid to move, thinking about what he had done and if JB will wake up or not. Hearing his mom crying and praying downstairs and John calling for JonBenet's name to wake her up. And in my theory, I believe that he stayed in his bed for the whole night. Whether sleeping or not, I don’t know. But I do not think that he actually believed or was told by the parents that JB was dead. Unless he asked his parents himself in disbelief when they arrived at the scene – “Is she dead???” He was 9. He thought that she had passed out from the blow or was just in a coma for some time and hoped that she would wake up soon and mom and dad would fix it. Just like the last time with the golf club accident.

At some point at night in his bed, he may have fallen asleep and was woken by the “act” of her mother screaming, “Oh my god,” to rehearse for the 911 call that she was just about to make (or was already making). Something must have woke him up to come out of his bed and head downstairs to see what was happening. In his last memory from the kitchen, Mom and Dad were “helping” JB to wake up, and he hoped it was already all fixed and life would go on as normal. He came down to Patsy panicking on the phone, and after hearing Patsy say, “Just found the note…“ he genuinely asked his dad, “What did you find?” As he did not know anything about any note and what it was. John replied to him, “We are not speaking to you,” as they weren’t speaking to him and sent him back to his bed and asked him to stay there so that he would not ask any more questions. He obeyed because he understood that JB was missing, his parents seemed distraught, and something totally different had occured that night that he had no idea about.

I also believe that this is why they sent him away to the Whites a couple of hours later straight from his room. He really did not know about the staging part or kidnapping part or anything that Patsy and John had done at night. All he remembered was that he hit his sister, and she fell, and Mom and Dad tried to wake her up, and he hoped that everything would be ok.

I continue on the next post.

 

[Ponytale]

So when he heard about the kidnapping, he, still as a 9-year-old boy, believed it. His parents told him that JB had been taken. He did not know what happened after he went to bed. Patsy and John might have told him that JB woke up later that night after the accident and she was ok and went to bed, then they also went to bed, and an intruder broke into their home and kidnapped her. Why wouldn’t he believe his parents?

As parents who did all this to cover up for their child, I believe that they did not tell him that JB did die after he hit her on the head. Why would they tell him that? I could rather see them both answering NO to his question, “Did I kill my sister?” And I think he has asked that later in life. And there is a possibility that to this day he still does not know for sure how big of a part he played in all of this. Patsy and John probably made each other promise that they will never discuss or answer for anything that really happened that night. All they told him was that he can never talk about the “accident” that had happened before with the flashlight and if someone should imply to him that he killed her with the blow to the head, that simply just is not true. If his parents both repeatedly told him from the young age that JB woke up after the accident and everything was ok, he just might have believed that and that is why he has always answered that he did not kill his sister. Maybe he still likes to belive that it’s the truth even to this day, although I would guess he would have his doubts by now. If he does, he just goes along and plays the role of an innocent child that he has adapted to, because I belive John and all the lawyers have told him multiple times that this is in his best interest to no raise any questions.

Now what did Patsy and John do after they sent Burke to bed? I have not seen anyone entertaining the idea that maybe one of the reasons why they both decided to cover up the crime is that they really did not want their son to grow up knowing that he killed his sister when he was 9. That he is a murderer and responsible for a crime. To have this stigma to send his whole life. To always have to explain that he did not mean to do it, and be part of the never-ending scrutiny. As they were a respected and well known family in Boulder, they also had the same thoughts about themselves and their loved ones. If you think about it, even if you can explain it all away with an accident and you know that Burke is only nine and could not be prosecuted, you’d still have the permanent stain on your family's name. People asking, watching, blaming. Why did you let this happen? Where were you when this happened? Letting it all be public and not sealing the medical records would raise even more questions about Burke's past behavior. You’d have to live with the never-ending shadow of guilt and shame. Are they the family who would want that negative attention? I really do not see that.

What I believe is that as they sent Burke away to bed, their panic had set in as they saw that JB was not responding or waking up. As her breathing was probably shallow and her body was slowly shutting down from the excessive brain injury, they were trying to think what to do. I really see one of them thinking about calling 911, but as they start to understand that there is nothing that medics could do for her at this point, as Burke told them that he hit her on the head with the flashlight, they must have asked him how and where. Any parent would. And I could imagine that as they were trying to figure out the severity of her situation, they must have touched her scalp with their fingers and felt that there is a fracture and a hole underneath the skin. Why do I think that? As a parent, when my child has an accident and bumps their head, the first thing I do when they come to me is ask them where it hurts, and I touch the head to see if there is a bump to put ice on it.
So as Patsy and John knew that Burke had hit her on the head, I see that they or one of them also searched with their fingers if there is a bump from that blow, but they did not feel a bump but a fracture. So no 911. And I think that they really believed that she had already passed away from the blow because there were no visible signs of life for a period of time.

Now, it is a long story in writing, but if you think about this scenario in real life, all this to happen might take only 30-60 minutes from the time they came home to the accident to happen. Kids ate their snack and played with toys, Patsy packing around the house. So if they got home around 22, the accident might have happened an hour later. Maybe less, maybe more; it does not matter, as it does not change anything. Burke was sent to bed and had time to fall asleep, and Patsy and John had at least 6 hours to go from shock and panic to collect themselves, talk it all through, and come up with a solution that they saw as best for their family—hiding it all away. Why?

• So that Burke would never know for sure and never have to grow up knowing that he is responsible for murdering his sisters.
• So that they all could be and stay the victims, not criminals.
• So that they would never have to feel the shame and guilt of being the parents of a child who killed his sister at 9 years old and have their reputation and life destroyed.
• So that the previous sexual abuse could be explained away.

Regarding the sexual abuse, I believe something of this kind was happening to her. But… who did it, when they did it, how long they had done it… again does not really matter. We know that there was something done to her, as there was blood that was wiped away from her tighs. Do we really know that this bleeding had happened while covering up the crime for sure, i.e staging a sexual assault? Why couldn’t it have happened at the Whites party? Why couldn't it have happened the previous night or before they left for the Whites? Someone could have wiped out her thighs from the blood at the party or at any time between her last bath and that night that she died. We know she did not take a bath at home later that night and that there was no visible blood seen on her thighs (except the little spot on her underpants). So why exactly should we connect the sexual assault with the staging?

I continue on the next post.

 

[Ponytale]

What I think is that the staging in the basement happened a few hours after the accident. After they both had gone through the initial shock and realized that this is the reality of the situation. I believe they talked about what to do next and did it all together. Took her little body carfully into the basement and placed her on the carpet. Looking around and thinking on the go, what and how could they use to make it look as a terrible crime. As they came up with the plan to make it look like a crazed monster had entered their house, they knew they had to make it look like a real monster did it, not a 9-year-old child or her loving parents.

I even tend to think that the garroting device was maybe something that was already premade and was just lying around somewhere in the basement. Why? We know Burke was in the Boy Scouts and John had been in the Navy. Burke had to learn about all the different knots and might have had interest in them. I see them both taking time together to practice making knots. I think Burke, as a 9-year-old boy, really liked to learn about the knots. I know my son did at that age and also practiced knots. So maybe they, or Burke himself, made that “garrot” type thing for whatever reason sometime much earlier and just left it there and forgot about it. We know that this knot/device is typically used for moving weights, so it had to have a long cord from one end. Why is it not possible that John saw it in the basement and thought that they could make it as a device to look like she was strangled? They believed that she was already gone and that garrot was exactly that “monster killing device” that they needed to make it look cruel. Exactly thinking because what parent would do that to their child? I see John tying that around her neck as she was lying on her stomach, and he tied it tight to be embedded in her neck and strangled her. Of course it was it was very difficult to do for them because she was their beloved daughter, but they had decided that they had no choice. What might have made it more bearable for them is that they really believed she was dead already. But at that point her heart and breathing really stopped, and this is where the urine stain comes from that is on her long johns and on the carpet at the cellar. A new shock, as they probably did not expect it to happen, believing that she had died before the strangulation. But now it was done…

Patsy brought her favorite blanket and wrapped her in it like a baby because she cared for her and loved her daughter. She was sorry; they both were. I see them both crying, holding her, and apologising to her through the night. They could not place her lying on that cold cement floor. They decided to add the loose binding to her hands and gently placed duct tape on her lips and left her there. Possibly returning some more times to see her and to be with her during that remaining night. After that they still had a few hours to make the ransom note that was needed to make it look like a crazy kidnapping monster had taken and later killed their daughter.

With the ransom note I have two theories. One is that Patsy and John made the text up together and Patsy wrote it down. The other one is that maybe Patsy had some sort of screenplay or a story/text of that kind written somewhere, and she took it as an example, rewrote it, and made adjustments as needed. She did have a mayor in journalism. Why I think that is because of the length of it. To me, it just seems like it is something that was put together from multiple pieces of text that were just rewritten and rephrased, not necessarily made up on the go. Why not just write a short ransom note? It would serve the same purpose. I see only reason to add confusion with the length and all the
unnecessary details. Or that Patsy was left to do it alone and got carried away… but again, it does not matter and won’t change anything.

When the morning came they desided to call for friends to come to their house because they did not want o be and feel alone at this terrible time. Then needed someone to colsole and be there to vitness the dreadfullness of the situation with them. So that none of their friends could never ever think that Patsy and John could be inolved in any way, because they were so distraught, shocked and praying for JB. They also called the priest because they knew that they would need him to be there soon, as the body was going to be found. There is no other logical reason to call a priest to a kidnapping where a child is just missing.

I believe that they did not worry about Burke going to the Whites is because if he did not know what had happened he could not talk about anything. They also knew that there is no kindnapper so Burke was safe. Again a point of thinking logically. As a parent, when one of my child has gone missing I would never let my other kids out of my sight because I would just be paranoid that anyone, anywhere could be the kidnapper. They would be sitting in the same room with me so that I could see them all the time. They would not be going to any fiends house or to school a few days later. Patsy's and John's behavior clearly shows that had nothing to worry about regarding Burkes safety or what he might ask or say other than JB is missing, cause that is all he knows.

Maybe Patsy and John knew that he would not talk about hitting JB with the flashlight because he was shamed and afraid of telling. Kids don’t usually go bragging about something like that, they’d be ashamed and afraid what others might think of that. At 9 (almost 10) years old I see that. And even if he did talk to his friends about that he had hit JB and she fell, they knew that they told Burke that she woke up and everything was ok, so he’d say the same thing to his friend. That would make the accident a totally separate story from the kidnapping. Of course they later learned that JB suffered a massive head blow before or at the time of her death and I believe that is why the Whites have later acted the way they did.


Well, that’s my two cents. I hope some of you took the time to read it through and would love to read your thoughts about my theory.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

While I believe the crime was planned, I don't believe the ransom note was - because I don't believe this was ever intended as a kidnapping. That was something that the killer came up with in the house, I'm guessing to delay discovery and string the family along, further tormenting them.

That then leaves the paintbrush, and while I do believe that he had always intended to play the strangulation game, he may have realized there that he needed a handle - I hold it very likely that this was his first time doing anything like this.

If there was no noise, no sign of anyone having heard after JonBenet had died, I think the killer would feel pretty confident - but I do believe the reason the bat was found on the northern edge of the house, just before a person leaving the house would come into the open, indicates that the killer was carrying it in case of an unexpected confrontation.

As a horse women, I am curious why he would need a handle? I can control a 1200 lb horse with a lead wrapped around its neck. A man would have leverage in their favor amongst other things. IMHO, no adult needed tools to control this tiny girl. I work with kids. Her size would be manageable for an average women. I help kids up on an exam table everyday. This girl would be considered a small child per her weight. If an adult was trying to control this child, they would hold their hand over her mouth to stop her from screaming as they were traveling 3 floors with a uncooperative kid. Children react. Most children when injured, cry out. I don't see a taser subduing a child because they would respond in a big way to the pain, which would require yet another jolt to get the message across. You are convinced she got tasered with no one hearing her scream? She immediately cooperated instead of responding to pain stimuli as a child would. I give kids immunizations. They cry , scream, and fight with a much lower pain threshold than a taser. They don't have good control of their emotions in high stress situations as a rule. I just don't buy the taser for many reasons. The taser company was adamant that she didn't have the burn marks from a taser. The entire block would have woken up if she was tasered.

 

[CloudedTruth]

As a horse women, I am curious why he would need a handle? I can control a 1200 lb horse with a lead wrapped around its neck. A man would have leverage in their favor amongst other things. IMHO, no adult needed tools to control this tiny girl. I work with kids. Her size would be manageable for an average women. I help kids up on an exam table everyday. This girl would be considered a small child per her weight. If an adult was trying to control this child, they would hold their hand over her mouth to stop her from screaming as they were traveling 3 floors with a uncooperative kid. Children react. Most children when injured, cry out. I don't see a taser subduing a child because they would respond in a big way to the pain, which would require yet another jolt to get the message across. You are convinced she got tasered with no one hearing her scream? She immediately cooperated instead of responding to pain stimuli as a child would. I give kids immunizations. They cry , scream, and fight with a much lower pain threshold than a taser. They don't have good control of their emotions in high stress situations as a rule. I just don't buy the taser for many reasons. The taser company was adamant that she didn't have the burn marks from a taser. The entire block would have woken up if she was tasered.

I think the "handle" or garrote was used to imply that a sexual deviant was responsible and was playing a EA game with her. It was a key part of the staging.

I don't buy the taser theory either. It makes no sense and you are absolutely correct that it would not have subdued her as has been suggested, but she would've been screaming loudly and fighting. People who have been tased have said it is the most intense pain they have ever experienced. It has also been argued that she may have been restrained in some way before being tased. That doesn't pass the smell test either. The duct tape over her mouth did not show signs of having been there for hours, it was added later. And even if her mouth were covered in some way to minimize her screams, you can still scream. The attack started in her bedroom. Burke was on the same floor. It simply is not believable that there was no noise made at all or that everyone was so deeply asleep that no one could hear a thing.

 

[docyabut]

That was a big huge fracture in her head, like a big strong man did do that horrible crime; Kids hit each other all the time"(

 

[Gigiky]

I have been tased with an X26 taser for training purpose. It has barbs that attach to the skin. It lasted between 5 to 8 seconds. Its not designed to result in lingering pain or immobility. For the most part I didn't remember it. I had two spotters on either side of me that lowered me to the ground. The barbs did hurt a bit getting them out. But medical staff was on sight to remove them. But really wasn't a big deal. I have also been tased with a hand held. It did hurt some what and left some marks that hung around forever. Of course I'm adult and probably have a higher tolerance for pain than a small child would have. I have seen the pics of marks on JB and they do look like taser marks to me.

 

[Porky1]

We don't know that. Burke said he was up fiddling with a toy which matches what John has said - that while he and Patsy were putting JonBenet to bed, Burke was downstairs with his new toy, then John came down, helped Burke with it, then took him to his room.



We don't know that.



We don't know that because we don't know that she was awake.



Why did young sociopaths Leopold and Loeb do the exact same thing back in the day?



There are brown cotton fibers and animal fur that have never been sourced to the house or anywhere else.



There were pieces of green garland in JonBenet's hair that matched the garland on the guardrail on the spiral staircase that led down from JonBenet's room. If she walked down, she wouldn't get it in her hair, but if she was carried?



Two separate garments of different age (one brand new) with two separate sources (saliva Vs touch) yielding the same profile is considerably above "questionable".



The underwear she was wearing was stained with urine, as was the mat in the boiler room. There is no reason to believe she wasn't wearing the same underwear when she died (as well as when she was in bed before) as when she was found. Someone pulled down her undergarments (aforementioned touch DNA) and wiped her, yes, butore likely in connection with SA, which occurred that night.



The intruder would have. The tape used in the crime was never sourced to the house. No roll was found, no other used tape. The cord used for the ligature and garrotte was never sourced to the house. Rope found in the room next to JonBenet's was never sourced. A stun gun, if used (and I believe the evidence supports that) was not sourced. Those are the type of tools an intruder and would-be murderer would bring and take with him after the fact, while the household objects used (pad, pen, paintbrush, possibly bat) were left behind. The only household object that wasn't found was a piece of the paintbrush and based on evidence found inside JonBenet, it is likely because that bit was used to assault her.

Family response?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Family response?

I have been tased with an X26 taser for training purpose. It has barbs that attach to the skin. It lasted between 5 to 8 seconds. Its not designed to result in lingering pain or immobility. For the most part I didn't remember it. I had two spotters on either side of me that lowered me to the ground. The barbs did hurt a bit getting them out. But medical staff was on sight to remove them. But really wasn't a big deal. I have also been tased with a hand held. It did hurt some what and left some marks that hung around forever. Of course I'm adult and probably have a higher tolerance for pain than a small child would have. I have seen the pics of marks on JB and they do look like taser marks to me.

Yes, you are and adult but you also anticipated what was about to happen to you and probably in front if your peers. You were not a 6 year old child supposed asleep in your bed. Do you think had you been asleep in your bed or half asleep even, would your response have been different?