If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Gigiky]

Yes, you are and adult but you also anticipated what was about to happen to you and probably in front if your peers. You were not a 6 year old child supposed asleep in your bed. Do you think had you been asleep in your bed or half asleep even, would your response have been different?

The point I was trying to make is the marks tasers make. The barbs from an X26 and marks made by a hand held taser. The marks on JB look like they cold have been made by a hand held taser. JMO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

The point I was trying to make is the marks tasers make. The barbs from an X26 and marks made by a hand held taser. The marks on JB look like they cold have been made by a hand held taser. JMO

Sorry but it seemed as the post was focused on pain not barb sizes. Either way, I don't believe there was anything even remotely considered a barb injury on the body.

 

[Lilibet]

Well, that’s my two cents. I hope some of you took the time to read it through and would love to read your thoughts about my theory.

Welcome @Ponytale! Thank you for writing out the “story” in such detail. I appreciate that you have used your knowledge of child development in discussing Burke. Quite honestly, although I haven’t posted much at all about Jon Benet and I don’t have the knowledge that others have, I have always believed that her death involved the family. In recent years I have come to believe that Burke hit her too hard accidentally and JR and PR felt the need to cover it up. Your theory lines up well with mine and fills in some blanks for me. An intruder theory is too convoluted for me to accept. I believe it was a horrible family tragedy that unfortunately turned into an elaborate cover-up to preserve their reputations and protect Burke. So again, thank you for taking the time to share your very logical theory.

JMO

 

[Ponytale]

Welcome @Ponytale! Thank you for writing out the “story” in such detail. I appreciate that you have used your knowledge of child development in discussing Burke. Quite honestly, although I haven’t posted much at all about Jon Benet and I don’t have the knowledge that others have, I have always believed that her death involved the family. In recent years I have come to believe that Burke hit her too hard accidentally and JR and PR felt the need to cover it up. Your theory lines up well with mine and fills in some blanks for me. An intruder theory is too convoluted for me to accept. I believe it was a horrible family tragedy that unfortunately turned into an elaborate cover-up to preserve their reputations and protect Burke. So again, thank you for taking the time to share your very logical theory.

JMO

Thank you for taking the time to read! =)

 

[Porky1]

It's always seemed peculiar to me how many people find it hard to believe that an intruder sat down in their house and took the time to write the longest ransom note anyone's ever seen, but they somehow find it easy to believe that a mother, whose adored 6 year old baby girl has JUST been brutally murdered in her own home, sat down at her kitchen table and took the time to compose a lengthy, action-movie-reference-filled, over-the-top virtual manifesto of a fake ransom note, all the while knowing that her beloved child lay dead on the floor of their dark, damp basement alone and, again, dead. Dead. Her child.

No matter how she came to be dead, by whose hand, even if it's by the mother's hand herself, I would think it would be next to impossible for anyone to believe that mother would be able to write this thing at that moment, in that style. But it seems many people have no problem believing that somehow. But they have a big problem with the also-unlikely act of an intruder waiting til he's in the home of the victim to write it.

Well, to me, both of these stories are hard to believe, but I know I personally find it easier to believe that an intruder wrote it in the home than to believe that a devastated mother wrote it at all. Especially when that mother has no outrageous, awful acts in her known past, when to all who knew her, she seemed always to be nothing but a loving, law-abiding, relatively mentally stable person... Contrast that to an intruder who by definition is a person of criminal tendencies, who has committed a depraved and inhuman act against a defenseless little girl, who we might safely assume has all kinds of shocking and bizarre things always going through his mind and who probably regularly does things that would seem to a normal person to be illogical, irrational, nonsensical etc., one of which that night may have been his decision to sit down and write a crazy-long ransom note which was obviously the product of a disturbed and unconventional mind, either before or after brutally murdering a sweet child in her own home. I'm certain that this hypothetical person has done many things that would shock you more than him being the one who wrote that note would. We can't understand why a person like that does whatever they might do. They probably do a lot of things that don't seem normal or expected, things that don't make sense to us. Because we thankfully aren't like them, and our minds don't work like the mind of someone who would murder a child. We shouldn't be surprised to find out something they did in the course of a murder seems to us to have no reason, no motive, goes against what any normal person would decide to do. Because this person is not normal! They do abnormal things! Things you can't believe.

Because you're not like that. If you can relate to anyone in this scenario, I would assume you relate to the mother more than the intruder. She may not be you, but she's more like you than the intruder. I hope. And just like I think we shouldn't be so surprised to learn that an intruder would do something so abnormal like writing this note right there in their house, I also think we should be appalled to think of any mother writing it right after having to face the fact of her baby's death. There was never a time in Patsy's life until this happened when anyone ever suspected her of being capable of murdering a child or even of covering up the murder of her child by her husband or her son.

How can it be easier to believe she did this than to believe some deranged person with a sick, disordered, abnormal mind did?

And this is coming from a person (me!) who has long believed it was done by someone in the family too young to be prosecuted for it and covered up by his parents, including writing of the note by the mother herself. I can't say what changed my mind, but once I started thinking of it in the way that I TRIED to explain (probably not very well) above, I found it impossible to believe that anymore. No explanation is easy to believe in this case, but some things are easier than others, and this is one of them. To think Patsy went from her child's dead body to immediately sit and write this crazy ransom note... I just can't believe that anymore.

Is it possible that it was written between the head injury and strangulation? 40 mins?

Just so very sad that this little girls life, her picture perfect life, was anything but.

Iam still unsure which Ramsey carried out the first attack, accidental or not, but Iam still certain it was a family member(s) who chose not to call 911 and finished her off, staged it and left it open for 28 yrs, so very disrespectful to this poor child. Just come clean, whichever one you are!

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

No not really, because apparently that was a very huge linear crack on the back of jbrs head. Actually I think it was more on the top of her head. You don't get that by just falling down the steps. You get that by somebody hitting you hard on the back of your head with something. So they had to come up with a murder scenario. And then Patsy's imagination ran away with her, and she came up with the whole sophisticated sex predator scenario.

I agree with you as to why it was covered up. My only difference in view is I think they had someone coaching them as to how to obscure the crime scene. From a legal perspective, even if one was absolutely convinced it was someone in the home, how could you get a conviction with all the various contamination? Those phone records disappeared for a reason.

 

[Porky1]

The housekeeper reported the two “playing doctor” in bed and other inappropriate behavior to investigators when she was interviewed. You can find her interview transcripts online.

The feces in JBR’s bed, Xmas presents, and candy was reported by police officers during the investigation and can be found in many different reports, interviews, and law enforcement documents from the investigation. You can find this material online. So, unless all the investigators were lying, it is indeed, fact. What it means or whether it’s relevant is what can be interpreted different.

We are all here trying to discuss the evidence and question what it might mean in good faith. Why the hostility and incorrect fact checking?

It also explains Patsy telling her that only her Dr was trusted when Patsy was in the room. The talk which many felt was inappropriate given her age.

 

[Gunther Toody]

What I think is that the staging in the basement happened a few hours after the accident. After they both had gone through the initial shock and realized that this is the reality of the situation. I believe they talked about what to do next and did it all together. Took her little body carfully into the basement and placed her on the carpet. Looking around and thinking on the go, what and how could they use to make it look as a terrible crime. As they came up with the plan to make it look like a crazed monster had entered their house, they knew they had to make it look like a real monster did it, not a 9-year-old child or her loving parents.

I even tend to think that the garroting device was maybe something that was already premade and was just lying around somewhere in the basement. Why? We know Burke was in the Boy Scouts and John had been in the Navy. Burke had to learn about all the different knots and might have had interest in them. I see them both taking time together to practice making knots. I think Burke, as a 9-year-old boy, really liked to learn about the knots. I know my son did at that age and also practiced knots. So maybe they, or Burke himself, made that “garrot” type thing for whatever reason sometime much earlier and just left it there and forgot about it. We know that this knot/device is typically used for moving weights, so it had to have a long cord from one end. Why is it not possible that John saw it in the basement and thought that they could make it as a device to look like she was strangled? They believed that she was already gone and that garrot was exactly that “monster killing device” that they needed to make it look cruel. Exactly thinking because what parent would do that to their child? I see John tying that around her neck as she was lying on her stomach, and he tied it tight to be embedded in her neck and strangled her. Of course it was it was very difficult to do for them because she was their beloved daughter, but they had decided that they had no choice. What might have made it more bearable for them is that they really believed she was dead already. But at that point her heart and breathing really stopped, and this is where the urine stain comes from that is on her long johns and on the carpet at the cellar. A new shock, as they probably did not expect it to happen, believing that she had died before the strangulation. But now it was done…

Patsy brought her favorite blanket and wrapped her in it like a baby because she cared for her and loved her daughter. She was sorry; they both were. I see them both crying, holding her, and apologising to her through the night. They could not place her lying on that cold cement floor. They decided to add the loose binding to her hands and gently placed duct tape on her lips and left her there. Possibly returning some more times to see her and to be with her during that remaining night. After that they still had a few hours to make the ransom note that was needed to make it look like a crazy kidnapping monster had taken and later killed their daughter.

With the ransom note I have two theories. One is that Patsy and John made the text up together and Patsy wrote it down. The other one is that maybe Patsy had some sort of screenplay or a story/text of that kind written somewhere, and she took it as an example, rewrote it, and made adjustments as needed. She did have a mayor in journalism. Why I think that is because of the length of it. To me, it just seems like it is something that was put together from multiple pieces of text that were just rewritten and rephrased, not necessarily made up on the go. Why not just write a short ransom note? It would serve the same purpose. I see only reason to add confusion with the length and all the
unnecessary details. Or that Patsy was left to do it alone and got carried away… but again, it does not matter and won’t change anything.

When the morning came they desided to call for friends to come to their house because they did not want o be and feel alone at this terrible time. Then needed someone to colsole and be there to vitness the dreadfullness of the situation with them. So that none of their friends could never ever think that Patsy and John could be inolved in any way, because they were so distraught, shocked and praying for JB. They also called the priest because they knew that they would need him to be there soon, as the body was going to be found. There is no other logical reason to call a priest to a kidnapping where a child is just missing.

I believe that they did not worry about Burke going to the Whites is because if he did not know what had happened he could not talk about anything. They also knew that there is no kindnapper so Burke was safe. Again a point of thinking logically. As a parent, when one of my child has gone missing I would never let my other kids out of my sight because I would just be paranoid that anyone, anywhere could be the kidnapper. They would be sitting in the same room with me so that I could see them all the time. They would not be going to any fiends house or to school a few days later. Patsy's and John's behavior clearly shows that had nothing to worry about regarding Burkes safety or what he might ask or say other than JB is missing, cause that is all he knows.

Maybe Patsy and John knew that he would not talk about hitting JB with the flashlight because he was shamed and afraid of telling. Kids don’t usually go bragging about something like that, they’d be ashamed and afraid what others might think of that. At 9 (almost 10) years old I see that. And even if he did talk to his friends about that he had hit JB and she fell, they knew that they told Burke that she woke up and everything was ok, so he’d say the same thing to his friend. That would make the accident a totally separate story from the kidnapping. Of course they later learned that JB suffered a massive head blow before or at the time of her death and I believe that is why the Whites have later acted the way they did.


Well, that’s my two cents. I hope some of you took the time to read it through and would love to read your thoughts about my theory.

Well done, and writing from a parent's perspective makes it very plausible.

 

[Ponytale]

Well done, and writing from a parent's perspective makes it very plausible.

Thank you. I think it helps to put yourself in that situation and see it from that perspective.

 

[Gigiky]

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• JonBenét Ramsey, 6, was killed in 1996 in Boulder, Colorado
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(NewsNation) — The Boulder Police Department says it plans to use new DNA technology in hopes of solving the killing of 6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey in 1996.

Ramsey’s body was found 28 years ago in her family’s Boulder home. Now, her father is planning to meet once again with local police to discuss new DNA testing technology that may hopefully fill in the forensic gaps and bring closure to the Ramsey family.

“They have the ability to separate DNA — mixed DNA samples, which is one of the issues with the sample they got in 1997. They had an unidentified male DNA sample in early 1997, and it was mixed, apparently with JonBenét’s blood,” JonBenét’s father, John Bennett Ramsey, told NewsNation in November. “That DNA can now, technology-wise, be separated. They have the ability to do familial genealogy research, which has been wildly successful in solving old cold cases. That’s what we’re asking the police to do.”

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He says he is expected to meet with the Boulder police chief in January alongside representatives from a leading DNA lab to push for the new approach.

Boulder Police Chief Stephen Redfearn says the department remains committed to finding JonBenét Ramsey’s killer and that the department has already taken significant steps to modernize its investigation. In a video statement released in November, Boulder police said they were working with forensic experts to find the latest advancements in DNA technology and recently digitized all of their case evidence. They hope to use those thousands of files to create a searchable database that could reveal new leads.

The department has also taken inventory of more than 2,500 pieces of evidence and reviewed 40,000

 

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Sorry I guess I could have done a better job on my last post. But I was doing multi tasking.

 

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Laura Ingle

Updated: Dec 26, 2024 / 05:03 PM CST

(NewsNation) — The Boulder Police Department says it plans to use new DNA technology in hopes of solving the killing of 6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey in 1996.

Ramsey’s body was found 28 years ago in her family’s Boulder home. Now, her father is planning to meet once again with local police to discuss new DNA testing technology that may hopefully fill in the forensic gaps and bring closure to the Ramsey family.

“They have the ability to separate DNA — mixed DNA samples, which is one of the issues with the sample they got in 1997. They had an unidentified male DNA sample in early 1997, and it was mixed, apparently with JonBenét’s blood,” JonBenét’s father, John Bennett Ramsey, told NewsNation in November. “That DNA can now, technology-wise, be separated. They have the ability to do familial genealogy research, which has been wildly successful in solving old cold cases. That’s what we’re asking the police to do.”

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He says he is expected to meet with the Boulder police chief in January alongside representatives from a leading DNA lab to push for the new approach.

Boulder Police Chief Stephen Redfearn says the department remains committed to finding JonBenét Ramsey’s killer and that the department has already taken significant steps to modernize its investigation. In a video statement released in November, Boulder police said they were working with forensic experts to find the latest advancements in DNA technology and recently digitized all of their case evidence. They hope to use those thousands of files to create a searchable database that could reveal new leads.

The department has also taken inventory of more than 2,500 pieces of evidence and reviewed 40,000

Interesting @Gigiky and also specifically interested that the Boulder police are so apparently interested to solve this IMO miscarriage of justice. And they or someone has chosen NN to accounted this and apparently on an anniversary of the slaying? SMH

I wonder though, are they sure they haven’t already spoken with or interviewed the individual or individuals responsible for the crime(s)? MOO

 

[Porky1]

I think an adult has done the garrote - sounds like sexual torture - sexual abuse of children that is not just a once off - often includes torture style ie using implements etc

The torture sounds like something a twisted child would do, I still think BR did it and the parents tried to cover/confuse which sadly was very effective.

 

[sapphire blue]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/jonbent-ramsey-case-100-new-tips-spark-renewed-investigation/news-story/2d34e106e4c8427108fc0a9a0b8478ce

Police initially focused on JonBenét’s family: John, Patsy and JonBenét’s youngest brother Burke.

But 15 days after the murder, a DNA report seemingly excluded them as suspects. They were formally exonerated in 2008 by the then-district attorney.

 

[Prince Namor]

She was dead. Why leave a ransom note behind for a ransom you would never collect and leave possible clues to your identity? Doesn't make much sense to me....

It makes as much sense as the parents strangling, killing and sexually assaulting their dead daughter with a paint brush handle to "save their son".

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Often, and unfortunately, an accident, or crime may not make sense. Similarly, attempts to attribute motive or rationale to such events can be equally conflicting or frustrating.

The fact remains: four people entered the residence that evening or early morning. And by the next day only three remained. MOO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

It makes as much sense as the parents strangling, killing and sexually assaulting their dead daughter with a paint brush handle to "save their son".

Maybe they only covered it up because what was done needed to be covered up.
There are a lot if things that don't make sense in this case but what doesn't make the most sense is the lengths that have gone to try to convince that there was an intruder. If it wasn't for the note, the beacon of suspicion would have been seen from space.

 

[CloudedTruth]

It makes as much sense as the parents strangling, killing and sexually assaulting their dead daughter with a paint brush handle to "save their son".

I never said it was a cover up to save their son.

 

[wlhnsc]

100% inside job...

There is DNA and it didn’t match anyone in the family!

 

[Ponytale]

There is DNA and it didn’t match anyone in the family!

Everybody has DNA in their house that does not match their family.
There is no forensic or scientific evidence that the foreign DNA found on her body is the DNA of an intruder. There is only the foreign DNA that no one knows where, how, when and how exactly it got there.