If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[PolyDot]

So why didn’t the “garrote” cause any internal damage to her wind pipe? Doesn’t sound very torturous. Why does the intruder want to torture her if she’s already unconscious? Kinda defeats the purpose. Why was the paintbrush handle only inserted once? Surely a sexual sadist intent on torturing would do something more than that? Why did the intruder redress her and wrap her in a blanket next to her favorite pajamas? Seems like actions that a remorseful person would take, not the sexual sad

My thinking -
To me it all seems indicative of an abuser .
As for re dressing her and wrapping her in blanket , that seems something a parent would do .

 

[Jink3]

My thinking -
To me it all seems indicative of an abuser .
As for re dressing her and wrapping her in blanket , that seems something a parent would do .

Ah I can agree with that. Can I ask your theory?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

P

My thinking -
To me it all seems indicative of an abuser .
As for re dressing her and wrapping her in blanket , that seems something a parent would do .

I agree about the redressing but that doesnt mean they necessarily killed her. If they found her deceased, that was all the comfort they could give her.

 

[PolyDot]

Ah I can agree with that. Can I ask your theory?

My theory and it is only a theory , theories are just theories unfortunately what is needed for a conviction is some hard proof - which is very lacking at the moment .
My theory is that JB had been abusing JBR ( and possibly BR ) PR , along with her parents possibly ,suspected this - hence Dr visits , 911 call etc
That JR is the murderer to cover up the abuse - JBR was starting to tell what was happening of PR and/or her parents where working it out .He had a lot to lose.
The ransom note was a diversion for PR - don’t look in house as JBR had been taken . The mention of a suitcase for the money , I think JR planned on taking her body out of the house in that and he would dispose of .
PR.
At some stage PR realises that JR is the murderer - she continues to hide the truth because she is scared - he just killed her child ! , what will happen to her son , what will happen to them financially , JR convinces her he will get away with it , she has cancer .

Of course it has holes , but at the core is JR did it. I don’t think there will be a conviction

 

[Jink3]

P

I agree about the redressing but that doesnt mean they necessarily killed her. If they found her deceased, that was all the comfort they could give her.

If they found her deceased earlier, redressed her, and then “found her” again in front of Detective Arndt, it means that everything leading up to that was a cover up. In this case, it does indeed mean that they (at least one of the three) killed her.

 

[Jink3]

My theory and it is only a theory , theories are just theories unfortunately what is needed for a conviction is some hard proof - which is very lacking at the moment .
My theory is that JB had been abusing JBR ( and possibly BR ) PR , along with her parents possibly ,suspected this - hence Dr visits , 911 call etc
That JR is the murderer to cover up the abuse - JBR was starting to tell what was happening of PR and/or her parents where working it out .He had a lot to lose.
The ransom note was a diversion for PR - don’t look in house as JBR had been taken . The mention of a suitcase for the money , I think JR planned on taking her body out of the house in that and he would dispose of .
PR.
At some stage PR realises that JR is the murderer - she continues to hide the truth because she is scared - he just killed her child ! , what will happen to her son , what will happen to them financially , JR convinces her he will get away with it , she has cancer .

Of course it has holes , but at the core is JR did it. I don’t think there will be a conviction

I think this is a great theory, and makes sense! I’ve often wanted to think JR did it since he seems to most likely be involved with the previous SA (statistically) and I agree about the suitcase, finding the body, his behavior, etc.

The thing I get hung up on is if it was all JR, then how did PR’ fibers from her clothing that night get into the paint tote, in the wine cellar, on JBRs body, INSIDE the knot on the garrote, UNDERNEATH the tape on her mouth AND inside the blanket she was wrapped in?

That coupled with the ransom note AND wearing the previous nights clothes/hair done/makeup (seems she didn’t ever go to sleep that night) lesves so many questions that I can’t seem to rationalize. But I agree with many things you said! We will never know

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

If they found her deceased earlier, redressed her, and then “found her” again in front of Detective Arndt, it means that everything leading up to that was a cover up. In this case, it does indeed mean that they (at least one of the three) killed her.

Yes.I was pointing out that they werent necessarily the same person ( family member)

 

[CloudedTruth]

There is a similar poster on YouTube that berates and insults other posters theories. They try to pass off their posts as fact when it’s complete spin. Eventually, everyone will ignore them.

The poster also uses the “expert” opinions that were sought out (and paid for) by team Ramsey. These opinions are not shared by the vast majority of experts who have reviewed evidence in this case. You are correct, it’s spin. Not credible.

 

[CloudedTruth]

The police were obviously unprepared for where this case was going to go, no one can argue that.

That being said, are you aware of all facts of the case? If so, can you explain to me how your theory of an intruder goes and how the evidence supports it?

Not an attack at all, I’m genuinely curious how people come to the intruder theory based on all the evidence.

Were they unprepared? Or were some at certain levels following directives?

 

[PolyDot]

I think this is a great theory, and makes sense! I’ve often wanted to think JR did it since he seems to most likely be involved with the previous SA (statistically) and I agree about the suitcase, finding the body, his behavior, etc.

The thing I get hung up on is if it was all JR, then how did PR’ fibers from her clothing that night get into the paint tote, in the wine cellar, on JBRs body, INSIDE the knot on the garrote, UNDERNEATH the tape on her mouth AND inside the blanket she was wrapped in?

That coupled with the ransom note AND wearing the previous nights clothes/hair done/makeup (seems she didn’t ever go to sleep that night) lesves so many questions that I can’t seem to rationalize. But I agree with many things you said! We will never know

Yes , maybe PR discovered ransom note before bedtime , and thus never changed clothes ?

 

[Kissee13]

Good question, it’s not easy as I think JR makes sense for MOST of it, but I think it breaks down as you get further along. I think there are too many questions raised with the JR theory. I do think JR was involved in the cover up. In fact, his clothing fibers from that night were found in her underwear and under the tape over her mouth. On top of that, I believe he KNEW where the body was before it was found, his mysterious disappearance for 80 mins while under the watch of Detective Arndt was suspicious, and his refusal to speak with police for months while telling his side to the media only shows his involvement. (Lots more, but for another post.)

The problem arises with the fact that PR’s clothing fibers were ALSO under the tape and on the garrote, as well as evidence showing she was likely the author of the note. I believe she was very heavily involved in the cover up as well. The evidence shows an equal effort. If you can set all that aside, I struggle with the idea that she would cover as heavily as she did for JR knowing he was responsible.

I’d say he could have been the one to commit the SA, but again you’re left with the same question. Is PR evil enough to look past the SA and murder of her 6 year old daughter by her husband?

It’s too much of a stretch for me to get behind, but obviously I could be wrong. This case is just too wild!

Ok idk where you got that info about the jr clothing fibers in her panties …. Never heard that . Or patsys , but the tape maybe bc when he found her , he removed the tape & picked her up & brought her to where pr & police were. There were foreign fibers inside but inconclusive apparently.

 

[Kissee13]

Ahhh, the Netflix documentary. Please do your own independent research, that documentary left out most of the evidence in the case and was extremely biased. It relied on “facts” theorized by Lou Smit in the early days of the investigation, much of which has now been proven false/debunked.

There was only one small piece of glass found inside the house by Fleet White when he inspected the basement, which he told investigators he placed on top of the suitcase. He also told investigators that he moved the suitcase under the window to better inspect the floor for more glass. So where was the suitcase before Fleet moved it? We don’t entirely know because Fleet has made sure all his testimony (both to the Grand Jury and to investigators) stays sealed. However, he does continue to push for justice and soon after stopped associating with the Ramsey Family.

JR also told investigators he had broken the window months before when he locked himself out of the house. It’s presumed he cleaned up the glass back then since his kids played down there frequently. There was no glass outside the window, in fact no disturbances at all! So why would Netflix push this theory?

Netflix also stated the Lou Smit showed foliage growing under the window grate, meaning it had been lifted. What Netflix didn’t address was that investigators found that the grate didn’t sit flush against the ground, and foliage was growing underneath the open spaces, not smushed from being lifted and closed back on top.

PR was also quick to release photos of the homes rear south side door that had damage to it, explaining that this could be another sign of an intruder trying to break in. What she must have forgotten is that she had been speaking with her friends about it in the months prior, but didn’t have it fixed. These friends stopped associating with them when they learned that PR was now pushing it out into the media while knowing full well that it was old/unrelated. Why?

Lou was a smart detective, even after he retired he investigated it trying to give pr some type of closure b4 she died . Unfortunately it didn’t happen.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I think we will only get a semblance of justice if the cops actually suck it up and admit they were wrong from the start.

The police have admitted to making mistakes. But were they wrong?

I have a lot of questions with how the D.A. handled this case from the very first moments, and why. IMO there’s much more to this than we know. The police were at the ground level of this case. There are clues pointing to an upward trajectory of involvement that has kept the truth from being uncovered.

 

[DoctorRose]

I definitely agree, the SA seems staged. Someone went to the trouble and risk of getting into the house and accessing JB. I would expect grievous SA injuries. This has always stood out for me.
IMO

That’s a good point. It only really makes sense to me if the intruder was very unstable and irrational. Did they want money, did they want to take her away with them, were they angry, or remorseful? I think it had to be someone who was all of the above if it were someone outside the three others at home. Somebody who themselves didn’t even have an end goal in mind and did not have organized thinking. I think it’s either that or, the result of multiple people doing different things and covering up bits and adding stuff. It’s why the evidence and the supposed kidnapping narrative are layered and contradictory imo. But I’m moving from RDI to someone in their circle. Idk whether they know exactly who but I think they knew they played some part by making their daughter vulnerable to someone they shouldn’t have trusted.

 

[Jink3]

Yes.I was pointing out that they werent necessarily the same person ( family member)

Were they unprepared? Or were some at certain levels following directives?

That’s a great point, I believe both. I grew up in Boulder so can attest things like this don’t happen there. It’s a beautiful college town where even the old houses falling down are millions of dollars to own. I don’t think the cops were prepared because they hadn’t experienced this. But to your point, they were told to treat the Ramseys as victims, not suspects… just a terrible clash of terrible events all at once.

 

[Jink3]

Yes , maybe PR discovered ransom note before bedtime , and thus never changed clothes ?

Then why lie and say she just found it that morning? Why wait so long to call the police? Why all the fibers of those clothes on nearly every item involved in the crime?

 

[Jink3]

Ok idk where you got that info about the jr clothing fibers in her panties …. Never heard that . Or patsys , but the tape maybe bc when he found her , he removed the tape & picked her up & brought her to where pr & police were. There were foreign fibers inside but inconclusive apparently.

Evidence - Jonbenet Ramsey Wiki

(See The House)

jonbenetramsey.shoutwiki.com

You can also find all this documented within the evidence pages at acandyrose.com

Matched hairs and fibers:

• "Many" hairs and fibers collected from the blanket were consistent with JonBenet and Patsy Ramsey.
• An axillary hair collected from the blanket (originally thought to be a pubic hair) was DNA-tested and determined to be consistent with Patsy Ramsey and her maternal line.
• Fibers believed to be from John Ramsey’s collared black wool shirt (worn on the night of the killing) were found in JonBenet's underpants.
• Fibers from Patsy Ramsey’s jacket (worn on the night of the killing) were found in the paint tray.
• Fibers from Patsy Ramsey's jacket (worn on the night of the killing) were found tied into the ligature found around JonBenet’s neck.
• Fibers from Patsy Ramsey's jacket (worn on the night of the killing) were found on the blanket.
• Fibers from Patsy Ramsey's jacket (worn on the night of the killing) were found on the tape. (Four red and black fibers).

 

[Jink3]

Lou was a smart detective, even after he retired he investigated it trying to give pr some type of closure b4 she died . Unfortunately it didn’t happen.

He was a great detective, not going to deny that. But in this case, he got tunnel vision and would not accept that the parents could have done this, despite the evidence. This set the case back even further than it already had been, and is the reason many believe some of the false evidence we see today.

 

[FMB]

I don't believe in the intruder theory. I also don't believe there is any viable DNA samples to be tested still.

There are new personnel at the Boulder Police Dept and there is a new DA. The Ramsey's have received historically favorable treatment from past DA's..... so lets say there was viable DNA to be tested, that could potentially solve the crime of the century would current police and DA NOT want to solve this and become famous, heroes and potentially rich???? Seems like they would have everything to gain with little downside....

 

[Jink3]

I don't believe in the intruder theory. I also don't believe there is any viable DNA samples to be tested still.

There are new personnel at the Boulder Police Dept and there is a new DA. The Ramsey's have received historically favorable treatment from past DA's..... so lets say there was viable DNA to be tested, that could potentially solve the crime of the century would current police and DA NOT want to solve this and become famous, heroes and potentially rich???? Seems like they would have everything to gain with little downside....

They definitely would and will. The problem is the DA and Boulder police know it won’t hit with any real suspects. I theorize they all know who committed the crime, but there’s really nothing they can do about it now. Yes they can keep “testing” the DNA, but nothing will hit and JR will continue his recent risk free media bombardment knowing that the more he screams DNA, the more this new generation unfamiliar with the facts of the case will see a loving father who just wants the case solved. It’s sad really, but I have to give a nod to JR. He is a master salesman. He’s so cunning and so good at creating the narrative he wants told. I do believe he is on track to rewriting history to the point that the family is seen as victims of the system. Sad, but a fascinating case study forever.