If you look at it logically it's very clear who did it!

[Tower]

I am most interested in what criminal profilers have to say about the crime scene… the reasoning, the patterns… etc. I could only find a snid bit from Douglas and I don’t know what to think about Clemente (he seems a little too opinionated/focused in on one theory for me to trust his interpretation). For example, if Jon Benet was found with the white blanket over her, then would that have meant that the offender knew her (if typically offenders cover the victims after the act)? Does the long ransom note that referenced many movies give a clue to the profile of the offender… (side note… did Burke use gestalt language patterns?). I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that a 9yo boy could do this crime with the degree of depravity it has. But, I have to remember that I don’t have all of the facts and it seems possible that what we know of the evidence today could likely have been reshaped like a sentence in the game of “telephone”.

This reference says that typically covering a body after a murder denotes the murderer is remorseful. It does not necessarily indicate the murderer was close to the victim, but usually in homicides with covered victims, the murderer and victim had some prior relationship. It is not a trademark of a female murderer. JMO & based on this reference.

https://dev.cjcenter.org/_files/apcj/15_1_4-reynolds.pdf_1565736361.pdf

 

[Deleted member 187229]

This reference says that typically covering a body after a murder denotes the murderer is remorseful. It does not necessarily indicate the murderer was close to the victim, but usually in homicides with covered victims, the murderer and victim had some prior relationship. It is not a trademark of a female murderer. JMO & based on this reference.

https://dev.cjcenter.org/_files/apcj/15_1_4-reynolds.pdf_1565736361.pdf

I’ve always felt JonBenet was wrapped in the blanket by the killer as a presentation. This is my opinion of course. After the false hope of the ransom note that she was alive and unharmed, to then find the body wrapped neatly giving false hope again that she’s alive. In my opinion i believe the killer wrapped her to present her. Her face wasn’t covered with the blanket.

 

[FMB]

Yes the Ramsey’s were cleared, in fact, Mary Lacy said they were exonerated. Ex-DA Opens Up About Why She Cleared the Ramsey Family of JonBenet's Murder

You do know there is absolutely nothing legally binding about the " exoneration" based on misrepresented DNA evidence by Mary Lacey?
The Ramseys are still suspects......they could still be charged. No statute of limitations for murder or conspiracy to commit...

 

[Deleted member 187229]

You do know there is absolutely nothing legally binding about the " exoneration" based on misrepresented DNA evidence by Mary Lacey?
The Ramseys are still suspects......they could still be charged. No statute of limitations for murder or conspiracy to commit...

The Ramsey’s haven’t been charged in over 30 years and never will in my opinion because they didn’t do it. The test done on the second blood spot in jonbenets underpants in 1999, (not 1997) revealed an almost full profile of an unknown male. It was this profile that was entered into codis. The test was done by Cathy dressel after she advised Mitch there was a second untested blood spot in jonbenets panties. He told her to test it and they got an almost complete dna profile and the dna was saliva.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

Questions that I have:
1. You would think that the way the offender committed and carried out the crime, that he would have done this before…
2.

This reference says that typically covering a body after a murder denotes the murderer is remorseful. It does not necessarily indicate the murderer was close to the victim, but usually in homicides with covered victims, the murderer and victim had some prior relationship. It is not a trademark of a female murderer. JMO & based on this reference.

https://dev.cjcenter.org/_files/apcj/15_1_4-reynolds.pdf_1565736361.pdf

You rock!!! I also re read some things and her face and hands and feet were not covered

 

[Bean&Cheese]

Questions that I have:
1. You would think that the way the offender committed and carried out the crime, that he would have done this before…
2.

You rock!!! I also re read some things and her face and hands and feet were not covered

Ignore the top part… I was writing out something earlier in the day and didn’t get a chance to finish my thoughts haha

 

[Bean&Cheese]

The Ramsey’s haven’t been charged in over 30 years and never will in my opinion because they didn’t do it. The test done on the second blood spot in jonbenets underpants in 1999, (not 1997) revealed an almost full profile of an unknown male. It was this profile that was entered into codis. The test was done by Cathy dressel after she advised Mitch there was a second untested blood spot in jonbenets panties. He told her to test it and they got an almost complete dna profile and the dna was saliva.

Agree

 

[Bean&Cheese]

I’ve always felt JonBenet was wrapped in the blanket by the killer as a presentation. This is my opinion of course. After the false hope of the ransom note that she was alive and unharmed, to then find the body wrapped neatly giving false hope again that she’s alive. In my opinion i believe the killer wrapped her to present her. Her face wasn’t covered with the blanket.

Omgoodness… kind of like a “special Christmas present”

 

[Bean&Cheese]

I’ve always felt JonBenet was wrapped in the blanket by the killer as a presentation. This is my opinion of course. After the false hope of the ransom note that she was alive and unharmed, to then find the body wrapped neatly giving false hope again that she’s alive. In my opinion i believe the killer wrapped her to present her. Her face wasn’t covered with the blanket.

I wonder if there was a yearly Santa that her mom would take her to or a visiting Santa that would attend one of those pageants every year. Maybe she sat on his lap and he whispered, “I’m going to bring you a special present, but you can’t say anything when you see me in your house, ok? You need to be very quiet”.

 

[887sMtreme]

I’m over weight and not fit and very lazy and gave crepitus in my knees and bad hips but if I hear my kids crying inside I run up my back stairs like lightning. If you read a letter saying someone had kidnapped your child, I’m sure adrenaline would allow you to run a marathon!

I don’t doubt your devotion to your children! But are your back stairs a dark, steep, narrow spiral with prickly garland wrapped around the railing? By the way, at the time of the murder, Patsy was no ballerina herself.

 

[Bean&Cheese]

I wonder if there was a yearly Santa that her mom would take her to or a visiting Santa that would attend one of those pageants every year. Maybe she sat on his lap and he whispered, “I’m going to bring you a special present, but you can’t say anything when you see me in your house, ok? You need to be very quiet”.

Other than Santa Bill

 

[CloudedTruth]

Rubbish. John hired FBI profiler John Douglas!

Not rubbish. Their first choice was Greg McCleary. He declined to work with them. So they moved on to Douglas.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Rubbish. John hired FBI profiler John Douglas!

You and another poster seem to have the same tone in your posts.
Reminds me of BethRyan on YouTube.

Ramsey team tried to hire retired FBI agent Greg McCrary. He declined because he thought they were involved. I posted the video of him stating this but you seem to know everything so I won't encourage you to watch it.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yes the Ramsey’s were cleared, in fact, Mary Lacy said they were exonerated. Ex-DA Opens Up About Why She Cleared the Ramsey Family of JonBenet's Murder

Her exoneration was widely criticized. It has no legal standing and is not legally binding. Mary Lacy was biased. The scientists in charge of the DNA findings told her the findings did not clear the Ramseys. She didn’t understand the DNA evidence. She was also responsible for the John Mark Karr debacle.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Do you have proof John said that?

It’s in the police reports of the policemen he said it to.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

Omgoodness… kind of like a “special Christmas present”

Why were other suspects cleared for not being a DNA match? The DNA is obviously enough to clear the Ramsey’s. The boulder police cleared most of the publicly known suspects because they weren’t a dna match.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

You and another poster seem to have the same tone in your posts.
Reminds me of BethRyan on YouTube.

Ramsey team tried to hire retired FBI agent Greg McCrary. He declined because he thought they were involved. I posted the video of him stating this but you seem to know everything so I won't encourage you to watch it.

I’ve never heard of Beth Ryan on YouTube, but I’ll look her up. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by saying I have the same tone as another member here? As for Greg McCary, I’ll look him up too. Thanks for that information. I understand peoples emotions can over come them when discussing the case but I’m sure you’ll appreciate people are not all knowledgeable regarding every detail about the case. This site is a discussion forum for people to exchange information and ideas regardless of how much or little they know of the case.

 

[Deleted member 187229]

I don’t doubt your devotion to your children! But are your back stairs a dark, steep, narrow spiral with prickly garland wrapped around the railing? By the way, at the time of the murder, Patsy was no ballerina herself.

I think it’s realistic patsy could run up the spiral staircase after reading Jonbenet had been kidnapped. I do have a problem with patsy stepping over the note on her way down though. I think that would be really difficult to step over the note without stepping on the paper. To step over it you’d have to skip a step and those steps were steep. I’ve always thought that was strange and I’ve looked for videos of people trying to reenact that but can’t find any. I think it would be really difficult to do that.

 

[Chypre]

Why were other suspects cleared for not being a DNA match? The DNA is obviously enough to clear the Ramsey’s. The boulder police cleared most of the publicly known suspects because they weren’t a dna match.

That conundrum is mentioned in Kolar's book

 

[Deleted member 187229]

That conundrum is mentioned in Kolar's book

I don’t read the books. I especially wouldn’t read Kolars book. I’ve read excerpts from books but take it all with a grain of salt. I only accept official forensic reports. If the police wouldn’t accept a book as evidence to convict someone then why should anyone believe anything in a book that’s written for profit and entertainment? I don’t think opinions or theories are helpful. We talk about opinions and theories here but they don’t help because they’re not factual. From the limited evidence published on the internet, police reports, dna reports and photos of the crime scene, I tend to think an intruder was in that house that night. But that’s my opinion. It’s not a fact. The fact is there was foreign dna found in jonbenets underpants, fingernails and longjohns. The dna tested in her underpants in 1999 found it was an almost full profile and it was saliva. The dna under her fingernails was skin cells otherwise known as touch dna and so was the dna on her longjohns. I ask myself, how did saliva get on her underpants in the blood spots and not anywhere else on the underpants? There was no Foreign DNA found in between the blood spots. And I also ask myself how did touch dna get under her fingernails and on the waistband of her longjohns? Who’s DNA is it? How did two different types of the same persons DNA get on her? Touch and saliva? Saliva being in an intimate location. Until we know the answer to those questions, the DNA will remain either an obstacle to charging John for the crime or an unsolved clue into charging an intruder. I’m hoping this year the police test the last remaining half of the second blood spot and upload it to genealogical data bases. Codis doesn’t have the technology to search for familial matches, it can only match individuals. Familial searching is the only way to find a match to that dna profile.