IL - 4 in custody after man tortured on Facebook Live, Chicago, Jan 2017 *GRAPHIC*

[JeannaT]

But a disabled teenager being dropped off at a mcdonalds to hang with someone who to the best degree was considered an acquaintance? How close of friends could they have been if the victim didnt know his friend was driving a vehicle that is not his?

I mean, I assume a parent of a vulnerable parent would be MORE cautious. It just rubs me weird to drop off at a mcdonalds and not AT the friends house, did the parents even know where he was planning to be? Did the parents know where the "friend" lived?

It just comes off as weird imho

In my observation, parents of children with social disabilities are often so grateful that the child has an invitation, that they go the extra mile. Give "better" birthday gifts, often to help out at events, host other kids, etc., just to ensure their child (I know he's not a child anymore, but still) has social activities. I could see doing that - he was invited to join a friend at McDonalds, then do New Years Eve stuff later. They may have been more than acquaintances. My guess is, she was probably worried about underage drinking, maybe being in a car wreck, all the things you have to worry about on New Years Eve. I'm sure she didn't in the furthest reach of her mind think they would gang up on him and beat him for days.

 

[Emb72]

Just a question for those whoa re parents to disabled children. Would you drop your child off at a mcdonalds alone for him to stay with (presumably at least 1 full night) someone who is being mentioned as only an acquaintance?

Nope...and I totally understand wanting your child to be independent. It's what all parents work towards, I would imagine. My situation is different, my daughter has quad CP, absoloutely no way would I drop her off somewhere. My 18 year old nephew has autism, although he is somewhat verbal and can do some independent life skills, he would not understand what these kids were up to. My sister would never just "drop him off", no matter how much of a friend the other kid seemed to be. She would want to meet the parents, get to know them VERY well, want to know exactly where they would be and what they would be doing the entire time. Unless it was us, my family...no way would she..

 

[BigCityAccountant]

But a disabled teenager being dropped off at a mcdonalds to hang with someone who to the best degree was considered an acquaintance? How close of friends could they have been if the victim didnt know his friend was driving a vehicle that is not his?

I mean, I assume a parent of a vulnerable parent would be MORE cautious. It just rubs me weird to drop off at a mcdonalds and not AT the friends house, did the parents even know where he was planning to be? Did the parents know where the "friend" lived?

It just comes off as weird imho

Understandably, but we don't have more information about the motives of the parents. Maybe it will be reported in MsM.

What I will say~~whether they made bad decisions or good decisions regarding the care of their child, it is still not their fault.

Fault lies with the perp's. They are the individuals who are responsible for THEIR actions.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

In my observation, parents of children with social disabilities are often so grateful that the child has an invitation, that they go the extra mile. Give "better" birthday gifts, often to help out at events, host other kids, etc., just to ensure their child (I know he's not a child anymore, but still) has social activities. I could see doing that - he was invited to join a friend at McDonalds, then do New Years Eve stuff later. They may have been more than acquaintances. My guess is, she was probably worried about underage drinking, maybe being in a car wreck, all the things you have to worry about on New Years Eve. I'm sure she didn't in the furthest reach of her mind think they would gang up on him and beat him for days.

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Exactly! Great Post!

 

[theirmommy]

In my observation, parents of children with social disabilities are often so grateful that the child has an invitation, that they go the extra mile. Give "better" birthday gifts, often to help out at events, host other kids, etc., just to ensure their child (I know he's not a child anymore, but still) has social activities. I could see doing that - he was invited to join a friend at McDonalds, then do New Years Eve stuff later. They may have been more than acquaintances. My guess is, she was probably worried about underage drinking, maybe being in a car wreck, all the things you have to worry about on New Years Eve. I'm sure she didn't in the furthest reach of her mind think they would gang up on him and beat him for days.

I think you are spot on.

 

[Maroon10]

Understandably, but we don't have more information about the motives of the parents. Maybe it will be reported in MsM.

What I will say~~whether they made bad decisions or good decisions regarding the care of their child, it is still not their fault.

Fault lies with the perp's. They are the individuals who are responsible for THEIR actions.

I am not blaming the parents at all, I just am just confused on how/why the meeting happened in the first place, as he is being described as an aquaitence

 

[Emb72]

Nope...and I totally understand wanting your child to be independent. It's what all parents work towards, I would imagine. My situation is different, my daughter has quad CP, absoloutely no way would I drop her off somewhere. My 18 year old nephew has autism, although he is somewhat verbal and can do some independent life skills, he would not understand what these kids were up to. My sister would never just "drop him off", no matter how much of a friend the other kid seemed to be. She would want to meet the parents, get to know them VERY well, want to know exactly where they would be and what they would be doing the entire time. Unless it was us, my family...no way would she..

And just to add one more thing. I am not blaming this boys parents, I have no clue of the full situation. I only know how I would be with my own child. All situations are different. It could have started out very innocent and ended up a nightmare. It's all very sad

 

[proctorelites]

I know that McDonald's is awesome about hiring ppl with disabilities. Wonder did he work there or his friend work there? They would feel comfortable dropping him off there, bc it's part of a normal routine. But of course until we know the facts....

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[HMSHood]

If I had to guess, I'd say Tesfaye Cooper. And I'd guess he's in a relationship with one of the sisters. Just a guess.

When I see this type if crime, the first thing I think is injustice collector. Injustice collectors are capable of extreme crimes, which are often in the form of mass murder or terrorism.

 

[JeannaT]

I get the impression it might be Brittany Herring or Covington.

When I see this type if crime, the first thing I think is injustice collector. Injustice collectors are capable of extreme crimes, which are often in the form of mass murder or terrorism.

Well you might be right. I just don't see a girl leading this attack on a boy unknown to her, with the backing of another girl and two ahole smug looking guy friends. When I look at their mugshot expressions, I feel like I can put them in order of culpability. Thinking back on the Channon Christian/Chris Newsome horror, LeMaricus Davidson was the clear ring leader and this grouping seems somewhat similar. I'm not sure the other perps in the Christian/Newsome case would ever have done something so absolutely horrific in their whole lifetimes had it not been for LeMaricus, who, as you say, could well have been an "injustice collector" due to his horrible upbringing and a mother who ignored him. And other awful stuff.

 

[drjones]

you cant charge someone for a crime they might have committed if they werent caught, there isnt any evidence to support an attempted murder charge, if there was im sure they would have charged one or more of them with it. this prosecutor was not looking to minimize anything here.

someone also mentioned that they "starved him for days" - there isnt any evidence im aware of that they starved him, and the kidnapping sounds like it was only a matter hours not the majority of the time he was with the person that initially picked him up.

none of this makes it any less heinous and, as i said, i think they all deserve significant and harsh sentences.

 

[liz b.]

It is as though a child was kidnapped, beaten and tortured for 5 long days...we read about crimes against children here on WS a lot...this is what happened here, heinous crimes were done against a vulnerable, child like person. They are racist and hate filled...jmo

 

[CARIIS]

you cant charge someone for a crime they might have committed if they werent caught, there isnt any evidence to support an attempted murder charge, if there was im sure they would have charged one or more of them with it. this prosecutor was not looking to minimize anything here.

someone also mentioned that they "starved him for days" - there isnt any evidence im aware of that they starved him, and the kidnapping sounds like it was only a matter hours not the majority of the time he was with the person that initially picked him up.

none of this makes it any less heinous and, as i said, i think they all deserve significant and harsh sentences.

I get hung up on sticking someone underwater ??

 

[JeannaT]

you cant charge someone for a crime they might have committed if they werent caught, there isnt any evidence to support an attempted murder charge, if there was im sure they would have charged one or more of them with it. this prosecutor was not looking to minimize anything here.

someone also mentioned that they "starved him for days" - there isnt any evidence im aware of that they starved him, and the kidnapping sounds like it was only a matter hours not the majority of the time he was with the person that initially picked him up.

none of this makes it any less heinous and, as i said, i think they all deserve significant and harsh sentences.

I've read comments from the grandmother that the torturers were texting the family, and that he was held against his will for days. He was expected to spend the night Dec. 31, be picked up Jan 1, and they couldn't locate him for days.

 

[JeannaT]

I get hung up on sticking someone underwater ??

In a toilet.

 

[CARIIS]

not only is this awful, what morons in this day and age (especially that age internet wise) would think they would not get caught - posting it ?

It seems even more unbelievable in that it was a group of four. One would think that at least ONE of them would suggest that it might not be a really good idea to post this on the internet

It just is not a question that this is against the law - we better not post this its really messed up stuff

and now there will be copycats I bet moo

I am not being snarky, but this angle bothered me yesterday as well. The whole angle of:

[FONT=&amp]They saw clearly this individual was in distress, that he was in crisis. And they cared enough to do something about it.”

[/FONT]Do not get it - it is their job - like could they have just left a bleeding disoriented disabled young person in the street?? I do not get the heroic angle of it? It is their vocation?? Paid.



http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/tesfa...cord-brittany-herring-tanishia-covington/were they on drugs??

[FONT=&amp]Hate crimes are acts of bigotry, and are committed because of the intended victim’s actual or perceived ancestry, color, creed, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, physical or mental disability (including HIV status), or national origin. Hate crimes not only harm the victim, but also the group in which the targeted member belongs.”
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Hate crimes can only be charged when another crime such as battery, assault, aggravated assault, criminal damage to property, criminal trespass to vehicle or to real property, mob action, looting, disorderly conduct or harassment by telephone occurs and a specific hate motive is established. Hate Crime is a Class 4 felony. If a convicted hate crime offender receives a probationary sentence, the court may also impose community service hours.”[/FONT]

 

[JeannaT]

you cant charge someone for a crime they might have committed if they werent caught, there isnt any evidence to support an attempted murder charge, if there was im sure they would have charged one or more of them with it. this prosecutor was not looking to minimize anything here.

someone also mentioned that they "starved him for days" - there isnt any evidence im aware of that they starved him, and the kidnapping sounds like it was only a matter hours not the majority of the time he was with the person that initially picked him up.

none of this makes it any less heinous and, as i said, i think they all deserve significant and harsh sentences.

And I think you can charge someone with a crime they tried to commit but were prevented. That's what the "intent to commit" crimes are about. Intent to commit fraud, intent to commit murder, etc. That's why "sting" operations work - like against prostitutes and johns. You just get some cop to entrap someone into agreeing to prostitution, and bingo, intent to commit. I would be MUCH more comfortable with "intent to commit" in this case than I am in cops entrapping prostitutes.

 

[drjones]

And I think you can charge someone with a crime they tried to commit but were prevented. That's what the "intent to commit" crimes are about. Intent to commit fraud, intent to commit murder, etc. That's why "sting" operations work - like against prostitutes and johns. You just get some cop to entrap someone into agreeing to prostitution, and bingo, intent to commit. I would be MUCH more comfortable with "intent to commit" in this case than I am in cops entrapping prostitutes.

interpret my comment as it applies to this case, it was not intended as a blanket statement to apply to any and all cases and crimes. i should have been more clear.

re: the underwater thing, its horrible, but i dont think any reasonable person that watched the video would think they were trying to kill him

re: the amount of time he was held, he was away from home for days, he was not held against his will for the entire time, it seems as if it was just a brief time (which matters very little in the whole scheme of things and i only mentioned it in regard to the idea that they starved him for days in relation to the discussion of attempted murder).

 

[HMSHood]

Well you might be right. I just don't see a girl leading this attack on a boy unknown to her, with the backing of another girl and two ahole smug looking guy friends. When I look at their mugshot expressions, I feel like I can put them in order of culpability. Thinking back on the Channon Christian/Chris Newsome horror, LeMaricus Davidson was the clear ring leader and this grouping seems somewhat similar. I'm not sure the other perps in the Christian/Newsome case would ever have done something so absolutely horrific in their whole lifetimes had it not been for LeMaricus, who, as you say, could well have been an "injustice collector" due to his horrible upbringing and a mother who ignored him. And other awful stuff.

Females can be capable of such great evil.

Those torture type crimes like this one is often driven by revenge. Revenge is what drives injustice collectors.

Don't get me started with Channon Christian and Chris Newsome, Very vile crime. I would not be surprised that LeMaricus Davidson is an injustice collector with all that pent up resentment.

 

[CARIIS]

I was just looking to see if there was one! And I agree about attempted murder. At one point they practically hanged him, and he could have drowned in that toilet


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So with you, if he drowned would they then charge them with murder- I think that is what the word attempted in front of the word murder means!

Like exactly what behavior is needed for it to become attempted murder? Would he need to have been hurt more , then it is AM? Cutting beating and drowning are not providing activities - what is the distinction they are making.

I think we all can conclude that the internet brings copycats. If for no other reason - It just seems as a society the message that should be sent out is we will charge you with attempted murder for anyone who decides to do a sequel.

Sadly there are others that are gonna find this appealing scary as heck but just the truth.

I hate to see what I would be feeling if I watched longer than like 90 seconds. And I am not going to . There is such cruelty to it .