IL-Chicago Police Officer Says She Feared Using Gun While Being Beaten Oct. 2016

[human]

Hm. I wonder how police in other countries manage.

 

[CoolJ]

Hm. I wonder how police in other countries manage.

Seriously though! Countries such as Britain, Iceland, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, many cops don't even carry firearms!

 

[human]

Tazing is better than shooting in the arm or leg? If you are close enough to taze and replace prongs, are you not close enough to shoot the arm?

 

[CoolJ]

If I were a cop who found myself in a life threatening situation but could not muster up the courage(not sure if this is the right word) to kill another human being, would I garner more sympathy by saying that I couldn't shoot because I was afraid there might be protests?

Really? If you are more concerned about there being protests than losing your life, maybe your life wasn't really being threatened.

That is why I take this story with a grain of salt. Not to mention the PD in question and the obvious motives they would have right now to spin this story. JMO

 

[Caffeine]

Seriously though! Countries such as Britain, Iceland, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, many cops don't even carry firearms!

How many armed criminals do they deal with on a regular basis?

 

[bluesneakers]

If I were a cop who found myself in a life threatening situation but could not muster up the courage(not sure if this is the right word) to kill another human being, would I garner more sympathy by saying that I couldn't shoot because I was afraid there might be protests?

Really? If you are more concerned about there being protests than losing your life, maybe your life wasn't really being threatened.

That is why I take this story with a grain of salt. Not to mention the PD in question and the obvious motives they would have right now to spin this story. JMO

Yes. Location plays a huge role in this story.

 

[bluesneakers]

How many armed criminals do they deal with on a regular basis?

That's not the point. They are often unarmed and somehow they manage. How? That was the question.

 

[K_Z]

Question for those following more closely than I am: Did she and/or her partner speak to the media or is the information coming through a police spokesperson?

I'm curious how the media got hold of this particular story.

No we haven't heard directly from her or her colleagues. This was a point I was trying to make earlier. I believe we heard from a Superintendent and a union guy.

It was Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson. Link below has press conference. (Superintendent Johnson, by the way, is black.) There is no obvious or valid reason, IMO, to doubt Supt. Johnson's truthfulness. At the time of the press conference, all 3 officers were hospitalized. None of them have said the Superintendent misrepresented their words, and none of them have given interviews to media (with good reason).

The union did not comment, so cannot be accused of bias in this case.

ABC7 reached out to the Fraternal Order of Police but did not get a comment.

http://abc7chicago.com/1543015/

 

[K_Z]

That's not the point. They are often unarmed and somehow they manage. How? That was the question.

Maybe "our" criminals are much worse than "theirs"? More violent? More impulsive? More murderous? More gang affiliation?

Maybe "their" criminals are more likely to cooperate with police officers? Maybe "their" criminals are more likely to cooperate with being arrested? Maybe "their" criminals don't attack, or murder, police officers as often as "ours" do?

Maybe "their" citizens commit far less crimes than "ours" do, proportionally?

Maybe "their" governments and local administrators support police officers and policing more than "ours" do?

 

[CoolJ]

Maybe "our" criminals are much worse than "theirs"? More violent? More impulsive? More murderous? More gang affiliation?

Maybe "their" criminals are more likely to cooperate with police officers? Maybe "their" criminals are more likely to cooperate with being arrested? Maybe "their" criminals don't attack, or murder, police officers as often as "ours" do?

Maybe "their" citizens commit far less crimes than "ours" do, proportionally?

Maybe "their" governments and local administrators support police officers and policing more than "ours" do?

Ahhhh, now we are getting somewhere. Why do you suppose Americans are more likely to be violent criminals who disobey police? Different DNA?

You make so many points in this post that I think are contradictory to your reasoning.

Maybe they just TRUST their police officers to be honest and compassionate human beings?

 

[katydid23]

That's not the point. They are often unarmed and somehow they manage. How? That was the question.

How is that not the point? How is it not relevant that many of OUR police face off with ARMED gang members all day and all night? You cannot compare a cop in Chicago or Baltimore with a cop in
Belgrade or Amsterdam.

 

[al66pine]

Since the other partners were close enough to taze, why did they not shoot him in the arm or leg?

… why not shoot him in the arm or leg? Reality in these situations may be different from what some posters envision.


Like maybe the backup, close to perp attacking LEO, CANNOT RELY on PERP TO HOLD STILL, so the backup can AIM (and not shoot the partner)???



(Respectfully, no sarc or snark.)

 

[katydid23]

Ahhhh, now we are getting somewhere. Why do you suppose Americans are more likely to be violent criminals who disobey police? Different DNA?

You make so many points in this post that I think are contradictory to your reasoning.

Maybe they just TRUST their police officers to be honest and compassionate human beings?

Well, I might believe this :
"Maybe they just TRUST their police officers to be honest and compassionate human beings?"

Except for the fact that our urban criminals kill other people, NON POLICE PEOPLE, at an alarming rate. Do they not trust their neighbors/peers to be honest and compassionate people either?


If it were ONLY the police that they were slaughtering, then I might think you had a good point. But in fact, they are violently acting out at everyone and anyone around them, including very young innocent children. Do they not find the local 6 yr olds 'honest and compassionate' enough either?

 

[katydid23]

That's not the point. They are often unarmed and somehow they manage. How? That was the question.

If they are unarmed, AND SO ARE THE CRIMINALS, then there is not an issue. Of course the cops can 'manage' in that situation.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Idk. Not shooting to avoid a protest while you are getting brutally beating by a criminal is like saying that I will not shoot a home invader that is trying to kill me. Because I want to avoid going to jail.

 

[CoolJ]

Well, I might believe this :
"Maybe they just TRUST their police officers to be honest and compassionate human beings?"

Except for the fact that our urban criminals kill other people, NON POLICE PEOPLE, at an alarming rate. Do they not trust their neighbors/peers to be honest and compassionate people either?


If it were ONLY the police that they were slaughtering, then I might think you had a good point. But in fact, they are violently acting out at everyone and anyone around them, including very young innocent children. Do they not find the local 6 yr olds 'honest and compassionate' enough either?

I'm not talking about "urban criminals". I would guess they don't trust anybody much. Why are they killing people at an alarming rate in America more so than other countries? Why are most of the worlds prisoners in America? Why are there so many crooked people? Hell, even your only two options for president are crooked people. Why?

 

[bluesneakers]

If they are unarmed, AND SO ARE THE CRIMINALS, then there is not an issue. Of course the cops can 'manage' in that situation.

No, that's not always true. And it doesn't matter - in the example here the LEO wasn't shot at, was she?

Somehow LE in other countries manage. That's why we sent all those officers to Scotland - to learn how to stop relying so heavily on firearms.

 

[bluesneakers]

Idk. Not shooting to avoid a protest while you are getting brutally beating by a criminal is like saying that I will not shoot a home invader that is trying to kill me. Because I want to avoid going to jail.

And even though your decision to avoid jail is going to put your family members in danger.

 

[Dogface]

Almost funny how people are doubting the cops version of events and what her thoughts were at the time, yet every eye witness in cases where officers shoot someone are some how credible.

I imagine she had the thought to not use her gun BEFORE she was attacked in such a vicious manner. And that almost cost her her own life. Little did she know that fear of hers, and her hesitation, would result in her head being pounded into the concrete by a criminal high on drugs.

But yes, let's doubt the credibility of this woman who almost died protecting and serving her local citizens.

 

[1&2&3]

Something I have questioned since this story broke. If this officer's face and head was banged into the concrete as badly as reported, how was she able to tell her reason for not shooting?

One would expect she may have a concussion, may have needed surgery, or was terribly swollen, bandaged, and sedated. It seems the Superintendent had the reason for her not shooting, immediately.

Just a thought.