IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[imstilla.grandma]

How do we know that story is even accurate?

Oh hell, I don’t know what to believe anymore. Chinese Whispers and Telephone game all over the place. It’s been my experience - return to the beginning before self editing occurs. Initial statements are important. Believe them until the speaker proves you wrong. imo

 

[LietKynes]

I don't think Mom was aware of much of anything at any time. Maybe she was taking meds for something and mixing it with alcohol or another medication. Just very dulled-out. She seemed out of it whenever she was on Kyle's little films.

Ita.
If that's the case, then she really shouldn't have been giving a toddler a bath.
Sounds harsh, but it's too dangerous.
Imo.

 

[Kakidoll]

Ita.
If that's the case, then she really shouldn't have been giving a toddler a bath.
Sounds harsh, but it's too dangerous.
Imo.

and again, as bad as this sounds... if you look at those kids, i don't think bath time was all that often. so a saturday night at 11p? when the other 2 yr old was asleep???

 

[casesensitive]

How do we know that story is even accurate?

Speaking of inaccuracies, is it possible that KA was merely caught in a lie trying to generate sympathy for herself? Rose dying in the trailer is sad enough, but having the public picture her dying in KA's arms generates sympathy for KA as well. It may have been a lapse in a spontaneous need for attention. Obviously, she knows Rose's body was found in the trailer, and she had already said as much. Unfortunately once a person lies, for whatever reason, they lose credibility which is especially harmful for the main witness in a multiple murder investigation.

 

[cherrymeg]

Ita.
If that's the case, then she really shouldn't have been giving a toddler a bath.
Sounds harsh, but it's too dangerous.
Imo.

Kids drown this way. If she was getting in the bath too and fell asleep that could have caused the 2 year old to drown.

 

[cherrymeg]

What kind of fuel did they use? Was it coming from a propane tank?

 

[Alethea]

So what are we supposed to believe ?
JA assisted her out from the fire after she put her clothes back on ?
Or an explosion knocked her unconscious ?
Or they were sleeping --per one article-- and she spoke to them from outside through a window, and told them she she loved them until they stopped screaming ?
Smdh.



After viewing the video -- can an infant become deaf in one ear from being slapped or punched hard enough in one side of her head ?
What if JA did this on a constant basis and the baby was permanently injured, hence the need for them to collect SSI benefits for that baby, as well as the autistic toddler ?
And with the mother saying Kyle suffered from a plethora of disabilities-- they'd collect even more ?

The average age for an autism diagnosis in the US is 4 years old. 13 DCFS investigations yet mom is so attentive to her 2 year old's milestones and sensory reactions she already has him diagnosed with autism? Call me skeptical.

Hunting for Autism's Earliest Clues | Autism Speaks

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Beyond these headline-grabbing incidents, there were hundreds more arrests for serious offenses, according to the FBI data. In 2018, 155 children under the age of 10 were arrested for possessing weapons, 22 were arrested for rape, 11 for robbery, 56 for arson, and 289 for larceny and theft, including 15 for vehicle theft. Details of those cases were not immediately available. *startling
More than 30,000 children under age 10 have been arrested in the US since 2013: FBI

 

[iamthewalrus]

These videos that Kyle posted tell us so much more than anything his mom has told us. The condition of their home tells me that the 2 adults didn't do anything. Just because you are poor doesnt mean you don't clean or maintain your home. It doesnt excuse bad behavior and posting things that are nasty on the internet. Such a shame for the kids. A lawyer having to put a gag order on mommy makes me question her intelligence. She is quite a piece of work. MOO

 

[jjenny]

The average age for an autism diagnosis in the US is 4 years old. 13 DCFS investigations yet mom is so attentive to her 2 year old's milestones and sensory reactions she already has him diagnosed with autism? Call me skeptical.

Hunting for Autism's Earliest Clues | Autism Speaks

There is a whole spectra of autism. Some is hardly noticeable and some is really obvious. So his might have been really obvious, who knows.
"Indicators of autism usually appear by age 2 or 3. Some associated development delays can appear even earlier, and often, it can be diagnosed as early as 18 months. Research shows that early intervention leads to positive outcomes later in life for people with autism."
What Is Autism? | Autism Speaks

 

[LietKynes]

These videos that Kyle posted tell us so much more than anything his mom has told us. The condition of their home tells me that the 2 adults didn't do anything. Just because you are poor doesnt mean you don't clean or maintain your home. It doesnt excuse bad behavior and posting things that are nasty on the internet. Such a shame for the kids. A lawyer having to put a gag order on mommy makes me question her intelligence. She is quite a piece of work. MOO

LBM

Agreed.
The mother's statements alone have made people question her account.
I feel sorry for those children, 3 of which are now deceased.

 

[claudianunes]

I wondered that, as well !

Isn't a two year old too young for a sleepover ?

She'd need feeding, changing, care that they probably didn't have time for with the other two toddlers.
Did Roses' parents go on vacation or have substance abuse issues that would make it difficult to care for a toddler ?
But since her mom lived with the grandparents-- why didn't they watch Rose ?

It's even more "strange" to me, because they had not one, but two toddlers in the home, and they both had disabilities so, why add a third toddler to the mix?

 

[SandyQLS]

Kids drown this way. If she was getting in the bath too and fell asleep that could have caused the 2 year old to drown.

I have never seen a trailer with a bathtub large enough to accommodate that woman. I took her statement to mean something more like a shower for herself, although the mechanics of her also bending, turning, reaching to wash a two year old at the same time has me baffled.

 

[jjenny]

It's even more "strange" to me, because they had not one, but two toddlers in the home, and they both had disabilities so, why add a third toddler to the mix?

Toddler was not living there, she just came to visit. I am assuming her mother asked for them to watch the child.

 

[cherrymeg]

I have never seen a trailer with a bathtub large enough to accommodate that woman. I took her statement to mean something more like a shower for herself, although the mechanics of her also bending, turning, reaching to wash a two year old at the same time has me baffled.

I thought it was more like a house than a trailer. I think people that have trailers by the jersey shore have full bathrooms with tubs.

 

[SandyQLS]

Why was Rose staying with them?

I think she was visiting. Rose lived next door or very close by in the same trailer park with her own mother and the grandparents of all these children.

 

[iluvmua]

Rose's mother (21) was also supposed to stay over that night.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[LietKynes]

Toddler was not living there, she just came to visit. I am assuming her mother asked for them to watch the child.

After watching that man hitting his toddler, I would not allow any of my children to be cared for by that couple.
Imo.

 

[cherrymeg]

After watching that man hitting his toddler, I would not allow any of my children to be cared for by that couple.
Imo.

It's hard for me to care about that man.