IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[claudicici]

25 News

 

[Lynetta]

Is the coroner elected like in some states? Certain places a medical degree isn't needed to be the coroner. I don't know if that means you can do autopsies with zero training - hopefully not. It might mean you're just in charge of the coroners office and selecting people that are qualified or your semi qualified friends to carry out medical and legal matters? I think it varies from state to state. The coroner's office is sometimes in charge of deciding if something is a crime. I wonder what the fire marshall thought when seeing the scene at first.

Here is the staff directory page for the coroner.

Woodford County, IL

T** R*******


Coroner
Title: Woodford County Coroner
Phone: 309-467-****


Present & Past Political Experience

• Over 25 years experience in Woodford County Coroner's Office
• Have served as the Coroner for over 20 years
• First elected 1996, re-elected 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012
• Previously served as Woodford County Republican Precinct Committeeman

Memberships

• Member of Illinois Funeral Directors Association
• Past President of District 8 Funeral Directors Association
• Past Member of Illinois Funeral Directors Legislative Committee
• Member of Illinois Coroner's And Medical Examiner's Association
• Regional Director of Illinois Coroner's And Medical Examiner's Association
• St. Mary's Catholic Church - El Paso, Illinois
• Archbishop Fulton Sheen Council Knights of Columbus
• El Paso Masonic Lodge
• Trustee of the El Paso Volunteer Fire Department
• Eureka Rotary International

Education

• Graduate of Minonk-Dana-Rutland High School
• Attended Illinois Central College
• Graduate of Worsham College of Mortuary Science
• Completed an apprenticeship with the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office
• Continually have met the mandatory annual Coroner training requirements

Personal & Other Information

• Lifetime resident of Woodford County
• Born and raised in Minonk

 

[cherrymeg]

Here is the staff directory page for the coroner.

Woodford County, IL

T** R*******


Coroner
Title: Woodford County Coroner
Phone: 309-467-****


Present & Past Political Experience

• Over 25 years experience in Woodford County Coroner's Office
• Have served as the Coroner for over 20 years
• First elected 1996, re-elected 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012
• Previously served as Woodford County Republican Precinct Committeeman

Memberships

• Member of Illinois Funeral Directors Association
• Past President of District 8 Funeral Directors Association
• Past Member of Illinois Funeral Directors Legislative Committee
• Member of Illinois Coroner's And Medical Examiner's Association
• Regional Director of Illinois Coroner's And Medical Examiner's Association
• St. Mary's Catholic Church - El Paso, Illinois
• Archbishop Fulton Sheen Council Knights of Columbus
• El Paso Masonic Lodge
• Trustee of the El Paso Volunteer Fire Department
• Eureka Rotary International

Education

• Graduate of Minonk-Dana-Rutland High School
• Attended Illinois Central College
• Graduate of Worsham College of Mortuary Science
• Completed an apprenticeship with the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office
• Continually have met the mandatory annual Coroner training requirements

Personal & Other Information

• Lifetime resident of Woodford County
• Born and raised in Minonk

He isn't a doctor. He is a trustee of the volunteer fire department. Some of those credentials seem like things that might go with being in charge of the coroners office but not with performing autopsies. If you can't prescribe antibiotics I do not want you trying to figure out my death.

 

[Lynetta]

I'm new here, I just found out about this case and at first I kinda was like "wtf this kids phsyco". But the more I looked into it, found his YouTube accounts(multiple) the more I honestly believe this kid didn't intentionally ... maybe didn't do this fire at all. This woman is a lazy no good freak of a mother that repulses me to the core.
Lieing to Jason to get kyle in to trouble, screaming as she demands ppl wait on her every whim, out all over the place, (second YouTube account she doesn't even have a top on), even the way Jason treats kyle and the babies, ignoring kyle when Kyle's asking his "daddy", something, the kid even flinched in some cases when asking, yet he still shows him respect.
This kid adores his "daddy", siblings, mama, and cousin to bits. If he was doing it for youtubing status than the whole thing would have gone online and viral.
Alethea, I fully agree with alot of what your saying, there is something fishy going on here.

I read it was the mum that identified kyle as killing the family, even offering information as the his mental illnesses and fire lighting.... 8-9 year old boys test boundaries, they play with fire and lighters, they block TOILETS and play with things they shouldn't, it's perfectly normal.
What I want to know is where did his dog blue go? No mention of him yet he had him days b4 the fire, did they punish him and take it away? I didn't see him miss handle the puppy at all and showed his joy for having blue, he didn't video anything destructive on YouTube he just played with his family and messed around on there.
The "news" video the kids did just shows them dissasocieting from the fire, it sounds like they haven't been told everything as Caitlin says "the parents were trying to safe their children", as if she didn't know it was so direct.

Katie's actions (or lack of) speaks volumes, her demeanor days after the fire, talking about hating Jason if he didn't stay with the babies (to which kyle stops dead in his tracks in the video and seems to lose himself for a moment when she says this in the background of the video). She speaks of rose and how Jason swore he would never leave her, then giggling as she says "well now they can't be separated ever", I never hear her after the fire in these videos talking about Ariel and daemon, doesn't this seem odd?

Kyle came from being number one to being in a fully decked out family and a lazy arse mum, I wouldn't be surprised if he did do it, but my butt tells me that she's got something to do with this, he adored them all and didn't video any of it... She would have to have been near front door to escape unscathed cos that woman can't move fast to safe her own kids or her life, she done something and I really hope it's investigated fully, I contacted greg Minger and emailed the YouTube account(only one as I didn't find second one till later), and told him to fight for this child.. I did this email about 1230am this morning and at 810am this morning I found his YouTube has become private, so either mums been told to shut it down or Minger is looking more into it... and more into katie

I too wonder what ever happened to the puppy. I kind of hope I never find out though.

I'm glad someone mentioned the video of mom without a shirt on, I thought I was going crazy and seeing things. Yikes! At first I thought, ok maybe she is just breastfeeding, but it looked to me that she was doing the little girl's hair, she says something at the end ( paraphrasing)... oh now your head will feel better or that will make your head feel better.

I found it strange how she talks about Rose, especially the " they can't be separated" part with the giggle. ( it makes me nauseous.) She does say something quickly about the other babies right before that though, about how all 3 of them were almost potty trained ... it's very hard to hear. But it's right before she says that she put them in underwear/ pull ups. But even so she speaks of Rose so..... differently. It is odd.

MOO JMO


ETA: also welcome to websleuths!!!

 

[Lynetta]

Another article from the 10/21/19 arraignment

9-year-old arraigned on murder charges in deadly Goodfield arson fire

[...]

The judge painstakingly and patiently explained the juvenile counts and legal processes to the boy, who at times indicated he did not understand the proceedings.

Also Monday, the judge appointed Peter Dluski as public defender for the boy. The attorney spent most of the hearing with his arm around the boy’s chair at the defense table, whispering into his ear along with the judge’s explanations.

During the 33-minute arraignment, the boy seemed calm until the end, when he appeared to softly sob before he was escorted out by his paternal grandparents, who are his foster guardians.

[...]

 

[Lynetta]

25 News

Most of these were "unfounded" but we all know by now that Illinois DCFS is lacking and drops the ball.

This is from Feb 2019 about the previous year.
Almost 100 children died last year in cases involving DCFS

I shake my head at the "soiled pull ups" I mean, we literally saw JW chuck one across the room in that you tube video.

This is so very sad.

 

[cherrymeg]

Most of these were "unfounded" but we all know by now that Illinois DCFS is lacking and drops the ball.

This is from Feb 2019 about the previous year.
Almost 100 children died last year in cases involving DCFS

I shake my head at the "soiled pull ups" I mean, we literally saw JW chuck one across the room in that you tube video.

This is so very sad.

That is awful. JW smacked a baby for no reason. I'm glad we aren't watching Kyles videos after his death. His mom will ask for money for a car but leave her kid to hang. I hope his lawyer is good. And won't just sell him on a BS deal.

 

[jjenny]

Can someone explain to me how the cornaner has the experiance to decide whether or not the fire was deliberately lit or not??
Authorities: Deadly Illinois trailer fire intentionally set

He rules the deaths inhalation yet changed it to homicide .... because he ruled the fire deliberately lit.... is the coranor also the fire Marshall over there?

I'm confused .... am I missing something?

Coroner just doesn't decide in a vacuum. If cause of fire is arson (which would have been decided by fire investigators) then the cause of death would be homicide.

 

[MsFacetious]

I think I ****** up
Prosecutors in Illinois charge nine-year-old with murder after mobile home fire claims the lives of five family members

I showed the YouTube to Minger, he got it turned to private, he sounds twisted and I think I helped him in adding numbers to his attack on kids criminals, "finality", this doesn't sound like someone think of the best interest of kyle

Send ALL of the accounts to Kyle's defense attorney so he can subpoena them.

 

[cherrymeg]

Coroner just doesn't decide in a vacuum. If cause of fire is arson (which would have been decided by fire investigators) then the cause of death would be homicide.

The Coroner isn't in a vacuum. What is concerning is that they don't always have the actual training or skills you would expect in someone that decides when a death is accidental, natural, a homicide, or a suicide. They don't always have the knowledge to contradict or question police officers, or firefighters. When five people die in a suspicious fire, people want answers and that can put pressure on every department. I think Kyle might be an easy scapegoat. I hope someone investigates deeper.

 

[HMSHood]

Really disturbing. Why would a 9 year old would kill 5 people?

 

[LietKynes]

The Coroner isn't in a vacuum. What is concerning is that they don't always have the actual training or skills you would expect in someone that decides when a death is accidental, natural, a homicide, or a suicide. They don't always have the knowledge to contradict or question police officers, or firefighters. When five people die in a suspicious fire, people want answers and that can put pressure on every department. I think Kyle might be an easy scapegoat. I hope someone investigates deeper.

LBM

Agreed.
Some thoughtful posts here !

I have my reasons for not fully trusting "mom".

 

[LietKynes]

That is awful. JW smacked a baby for no reason. I'm glad we aren't watching Kyles videos after his death. His mom will ask for money for a car but leave her kid to hang. I hope his lawyer is good. And won't just sell him on a BS deal.

LBM
That. ^^^

 

[squareandrabbet]

That is awful. JW smacked a baby for no reason. I'm glad we aren't watching Kyles videos after his death. His mom will ask for money for a car but leave her kid to hang. I hope his lawyer is good. And won't just sell him on a BS deal.

Gosh, I hope the lawyer's compunction is roused by this to do a good job! I don't want to know what kind of coldblooded lawyer would abandon a 9-year-old to the court system.

 

[mickey2942]

Gosh, I hope the lawyer's compunction is roused by this to do a good job! I don't want to know what kind of coldblooded lawyer would abandon a 9-year-old to the court system.

Maybe, for this particular 9 year old, being placed in a mental health care facility, as a ward of the court, is preferable to being with this Mother.

 

[claudianunes]

Maybe, for this particular 9 year old, being placed in a mental health care facility, as a ward of the court, is preferable to being with this Mother.

To be fair, it seems like almost any other option is a better option than Kyle going back to his mother. I believe Kyle needs a family that loves him, cares for him, guides him and helps him with getting the help he needs. I don't believe he actually did it, and if he did, I don't believe he did it thinking "damn right, I'm going to kill all of them", I think this was a tragic mistake caused by a kid (if it was really him) who didn't think much about consequences and just went for it. He was 8, and he's so little. He seems like a "normal" kid, even a sweet, nice kid. Everything around him was terrible and disgusting. This is very sad.

 

[Kiranerys]

Make a little room in that corner...

Room for a little one?(maybe not so little really)

 

[Kiranerys]

I too wonder what ever happened to the puppy. I kind of hope I never find out though.

I'm glad someone mentioned the video of mom without a shirt on, I thought I was going crazy and seeing things. Yikes! At first I thought, ok maybe she is just breastfeeding, but it looked to me that she was doing the little girl's hair, she says something at the end ( paraphrasing)... oh now your head will feel better or that will make your head feel better.

I found it strange how she talks about Rose, especially the " they can't be separated" part with the giggle. ( it makes me nauseous.) She does say something quickly about the other babies right before that though, about how all 3 of them were almost potty trained ... it's very hard to hear. But it's right before she says that she put them in underwear/ pull ups. But even so she speaks of Rose so..... differently. It is odd.

MOO JMO


ETA: also welcome to websleuths!!!

I'm sure I remember seeing Kyle say in one of his videos that they had taken his puppy away,but he didnt say why.

 

[Kakidoll]

i'm wondering if this was going to be brushed along because of the type of people involved until it made the paper and is more 'out there' now. Maybe another look at the case is being done.

 

[beatrixpotter]

I just don't entirely understand why arson equals homicide. Why isn't it accidental death? Or do we know he started the fire with the intent to kill? I have a cousin whose son set their home on fire around that age. He hid behind a sofa playing with a lighter and set the sofa on fire supposedly on purpose. So if someone was unable to get out and died he'd have been accused of murder?

I can definitely see a child deliberately setting a fire. BUT not even thinking clearly enough at the time that it might not be able to be put out and burn the whole home down. And definitely not thinking ahead enough to grasp that the fire might kill people. Kids can be really stupid and he looked really impulsive in the videos I saw of him.