IL IL - Dermot Kelly, 16, Oglesby, Jan 1972

My husband's late father was much the same. He had different ideas of what his son would be like and when my husband didn't fit the mold, there was friction, lack of respect, withholding of love and support. I think deep down my husband's dad felt love for his child but no actual liking for anyone with a markedly different personality. His dad was the "man's man" type, outdoorsman, strict, conservative. My husband is bookish and quiet and so never felt his dad loved or respected him. Dermot sounds like he had a similar situation, altho possibly even more painful.
 
My husband's late father was much the same. He had different ideas of what his son would be like and when my husband didn't fit the mold, there was friction, lack of respect, withholding of love and support. I think deep down my husband's dad felt love for his child but no actual liking for anyone with a markedly different personality. His dad was the "man's man" type, outdoorsman, strict, conservative. My husband is bookish and quiet and so never felt his dad loved or respected him. Dermot sounds like he had a similar situation, altho possibly even more painful.

I agree,

Books, music, writing, perhaps things like narratives, poetry, drawing, maybe painting might have been forms of escapism for Dermot. Therapeutic tools, inspirational ideas taken from those activities. Not only to make Dermot feel better, but to help his quest to find others lead a better life. Hippie movement followers are very dedicated to humanitarian efforts. Peace is often found through their love of music, and a lot of times reading. People like Dermot are philosophically contemplative to question, to think, to learn, and most importantly, to love, or work to find love for themselves, and very likely for others.

The evidence sure points to the fact that Dermot got stuck with the wrong type of father, for the life that he wanted! There is something even more striking in Kevin's obituary that Dermot probably sensed for most of his life. Notice how it talks about Mr. Kelly's involvement with the military and law school, and his involvement in World War II. But most of the time, when someone dies, there death notice has something that symbolizes love for the family. Asta, (Dermot's Mother) had a wonderful obit. The quote went something like, "She had a grace of kindness that touched all who knew her, her first thoughts were always for her family." Laura, Dermot's sister's obituary talked about her involvement with elderly and at risk populations, and the request for music and poetry at her funeral, and her degree in social work.

You can see and feel Dermot's sensitivity in the things that his Mother and sister believed and loved. Nothing in Kevin's obituary personifies or signifies love in any way. Maybe because there wasn't really a lot of emotional loving things to say about "The Man." Yes, if Kevin can be so insensitive toward Dermot by referring to him as "The Boy," I feel the same kind of resentment because of the way "The Man" treated Dermot. and feel the title of "The Man." is appropriate. Note that Kevin's obituary shows no love remembrance at all. Dermot knew his father's love was lost early on in his upbringing. It is interesting how accomplishments are stressed in both Kevin's and Laura's obituary. This indicates that the family dynamic was very strict about success driven offspring and perseverance. Maybe the one and only similarity between Dermot and his father was to obtain their goals by persevering. But personality-wise, they were so different, so diametrically opposed to each others' value systems of life ideas, that a permanent separation was the only option. Perhaps if Dermot had been born to a more empathetic and sensitive father, with a more relaxed family structure, he could have been saved, and would have motivated others with knowledge and compassion, far beyond his years.


Satch
 
I think also that men of that era were taught to be tough: tough in the army, tough at work, tough at home. Many of the men of his era in my family were the same. Quite authoritarian, strict ideas about what being a man was.
 
Forgive me if this has been answered before, but why did his parents call police after he'd only been gone about 90 minutes? Did they suspect something?
 
Forgive me if this has been answered before, but why did his parents call police after he'd only been gone about 90 minutes? Did they suspect something?


It was bitter cold and 90 minutes was far too long to be out in the extreme temperatures. Temps were at or below zero.
 
It was bitter cold and 90 minutes was far too long to be out in the extreme temperatures. Temps were at or below zero.

I had the weather for that day posted further up in Dermot's thread. Here it is again,

Weather History Results for Oglesby, IL (61348) January 30th, 1972
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On January 30th, 1972, the closest available weather station to Oglesby, IL (PEORIA GREATER PEORIA AP, IL), reported the following conditions:

High Temp: 12.9°F *
Low Temp: 0°F *
Average Temp: 7.2°F ( 24 )
Dewpoint: -1.4°F ( 24 )
Sea Level Pressure: 1023.4 mb ( 24 )
Station Pressure: 997.8 mb ( 24 )
Visibility: 14.9 miles ( 24 )
Wind Speed: 8.3 knots ( 24 )
Max Wind Speed: 12 knots
Max Wind Gust: n/a
Precipitation Amount: 0 inches I
Snow Depth: n/a
Observations: n/a

(Taken From http://farmersalmanac.com/weather-history/)

There was probably a negative wind chill as well. We also know that Dermot walked about one to two miles to the river bank where his boots and jacket were found on the river bank, along with bare footprints in the snow leading out to the river but not coming back. The imprint of a rifle was found lying in the snow. Part of a gun, believed to be the rifle, with which he left the house carrying, was found beneath the ice. Based on the evidence of the family dynamic structure, likely for a very long time, Dermot was in a depressed and despondent state.

Most close to the case believe Dermot tragically died in the river that day, via suicide or drowning. Others suspect hypothermia, which also may have played a role in Dermot's decision making process as he walked that distance. Others suggest that he staged his disappearance that day. A search was conducted for about a week, but was called off after a barge passed through the area were the river evidence was found and no improvements in the weather.

Dermot's case was one of the first that brought me to Webslueths. My views on the case remain the same. A likely tragic suicide by an overtly sensitive and peace-seeking teenager who loved reading, writing, and music. Dermot was confused, depressed, and hurt by the strong success demands of an ultra-conservative Catholic family, led by a hot-tempered and abusive military father. Whatever Dermot did that day produced one conclusion for which most close to the case agree. There was no other way out or alternative for him but to leave.

To review my further thoughts, Dermot, was an intense follower of humanitarian efforts and especially the Hippie Movement, appears it would not be in his personality to be a deceiver. He lived inside a mask by staying within that family, fighting personal and emotional conflicts between who the family demand he should be, and who Dermot himself, wanted to become. Peace-followers and introspective people are always searching for and seeking truth and fulfillment for a better life. That's why I discounted the staged disappearance theory early on in the case. The cause of so much of the pain in Dermot's life was his authoritarian father, and type of family life, from which Dermot HAD to flee, which I believe led to tragedy.

I always have great empathy and compassion for Dermot! I even started studying the Hippie Movement followings and belief systems because of his case. Trying to, be a voice for how he might have felt, what he likely believed, and the things he might have said concerning why he had to leave home. I think his sensitivity and compassion is/was remarkable for a sixteen year-old man!

Satch
 
I see, I didn't realize it was so cold that day. Not the kind of day when a person would ordinarily do target shooting, it sounds like, but maybe he was used to it. I see now why the parents were worried.
 
I see, I didn't realize it was so cold that day. Not the kind of day when a person would ordinarily do target shooting, it sounds like, but maybe he was used to it. I see now why the parents were worried.

I think the "Target Shooting" was a plan by Dermot to say that, so that his parents could not pin-point where he was going. It gives him a very broad area to do whatever he did and not be followed. Any place else would allow him to be easily findable, and I don't think Dermot wanted that.

I believe the conflict was so severe between Dermot and his Dad, that Kevin really didn't care. When Dermot left, Mr. Kelly just coldly tells Dermot to "Wear warm boots." I think that the military man in Mr. Kelly and the polarized personalities between Dermot and he were very deep-rooted and extreme. I think there were dark issues between them that could have even caused other family members to take sides. Asta, Dermot's Mother's side and some of her children seeing Dermot as a survivor. Who left to find peace and love to flee the homelife that so pained him. Kevin's side of the family, believing that he probably died in the river that day. Kevin's opinionated demeanor thinking, "Oh, Dermot doesn't have the balls to leave home and be independent." As days, weeks, months, and years went by, Kevin's got to find a way to show to the outside world that he cares about Dermot. He told people he "Searched for Dermot for twenty years." The lawyer in him, desire for winning, and not having answers to the case bothered him.

For "Dad", Dermot "died" when he walked out that door that afternoon on January 30, 1972. I theorized that Kevin say Dermot's leaving as an abandonment to the family and a "lack of respect for regard for the values that we tried to instill in "The Boy." " Speaking of Dermot very coldly, very distantly. Kevin thinking, "If Dermot wants to leave to find a better life, that's his choice." Remember, Kevin Kelly was a man that abandoned any mention of his missing son from his own obituary. For Kevin, losing Dermot was more about the loss of control, than the loss of a son. Not about love or compassion He could not conform Dermot to his demands and strict family value system. Dermot grew to be tired, worn-out, and disgusted by his father's demanding authority. Dermot had to flee.

I think other family members were worried, but Dermot's Dad, very little. Over the years, he wanted to know if he was OK to put the issue to rest and feeling a sense of duty and responsibility for the rest of the family to find out what happened to Dermot. For Kevin, it was not out of love. His obituary proves that.

Satch
 
Reading this and Dermot's quote about "going away and living his own life" coupled with his father's quote about "Dermot not liking the hypocrisy of the world" reminds me of another famous missing persons case- Chris McCandless, aka Alexander Supertramp. He was the subject of the book and film "Into the Wild". He ended up taking not much more than a gun and boots and heading into the Alaskan wilderness. It also reminds me of Everett Ruess, who did the same thing in the 1930's and who was falsely identified as a body out west, until DNA proved it wasn't Ruess and he is still considered missing (I have a copy of the books of poetry he wrote). It IS possible that Dermot decided to live "off the grid" (our current term for it) but I am betting that unfortunately Dermot is in the river. If he committed suicide with the gun, there is a likelihood that his remains were damaged enough that they didn't surface. I hope I am wrong though.
 
Satch,
You mention the type of person that Dermot was- into arts/equality/peace/the hippie movement. It was not hard for kids to disappear at that point. Both of my older brothers, 15 and 13 years my senior left home in Connecticut and ran away to the Haight. The excesses of that time eventually killed both of them, many years later. My brother, Stephen, was the artist and dreamer and a gentler soul never lived on this Earth. He and Dermot were about the same age. It is possible that Dermot did get out of the area, get to Chicago and go out west. It honestly wasn't that hard at the time. It took my brother's father (who is not mine) almost 18 months to find them. It was a lot easier to change your name then, too. My hope is that Dermot got out, lived a new life and never wanted to contact anyone from his previous life. Maybe he knows he's considered missing and he doesn't care or maybe he doesn't even know. At least this is my hope for this young man.
 
Satch,
You mention the type of person that Dermot was- into arts/equality/peace/the hippie movement. It was not hard for kids to disappear at that point. Both of my older brothers, 15 and 13 years my senior left home in Connecticut and ran away to the Haight. The excesses of that time eventually killed both of them, many years later. My brother, Stephen, was the artist and dreamer and a gentler soul never lived on this Earth. He and Dermot were about the same age. It is possible that Dermot did get out of the area, get to Chicago and go out west. It honestly wasn't that hard at the time. It took my brother's father (who is not mine) almost 18 months to find them. It was a lot easier to change your name then, too. My hope is that Dermot got out, lived a new life and never wanted to contact anyone from his previous life. Maybe he knows he's considered missing and he doesn't care or maybe he doesn't even know. At least this is my hope for this young man.

I agree!

It really sounds like Dermot and your brother Stephen had amazing similar visions at that time, and likely would have gotten along well! I have some questions about your family situation at the time, I hope you don't mind me asking:

1.) Was your family headed by a strict authoritarian father with a bad temper and a history of abuse?
2.) Were expectations at the time, especially academically driven, highly demanded like that of Dermot's upbringing?
3.) When your brother's father found them, what stories or experiences did they tell? I assume they had no interest in returning to Connecticut?

Very sad to hear that "The excesses of the time killed both of them years later." I have always held out hope against the gun evidence, one-way footprints going out to the river and not going back that Dermot may have somehow gotten away successfully to help others find peace and love. I always held this image of Dermot as one of the coolest, most sensitive, empathetic souls who ever lived! It sounds like your brother Stephen and Dermot could have gotten away to help others lead better lives. To help people. They may have shared the same visions of humanitarian efforts. Kindred spirits.

I agree with you that if Dermot staged this, got out of the family environment that pained him for so long that he did not want to be found, and if still living, does not want to be found. In my view, Dermot would have no reason to return to the kind of painful family structure and dynamic that hurt him for sixteen years. Sadly, I still think that the evidence shows that Dermot most likely died in the river that day. However, I am frightened by negative closure in this case! (i.e his body being found in a river.) Dermot's too kind and loving of a person to have met with such a tragedy. I can never give up hope that he got away successfully!

It sounds like you share the views that Asta and her family believed for years. Never give up hope!

Satch
 
Greetings,

Due to the fact that I am so emotionally close to this case and the pain that Dermot must have felt, I set up a reminder in my email to be remembered of this day January 30, when Dermot left home. Whether he committed suicide, died of hypothermia, or staged his disappearance to start a new life, I will remember him for his humanitarianism, love, courage, and emotional sensitivity, as well as his quest to find a peaceful happier life.

I wish Dermot could have been born into a family that understood him better, so that he could have lived a happier life!

Satch
 
I think the "Target Shooting" was a plan by Dermot to say that, so that his parents could not pin-point where he was going. It gives him a very broad area to do whatever he did and not be followed. Any place else would allow him to be easily findable, and I don't think Dermot wanted that.

I believe the conflict was so severe between Dermot and his Dad, that Kevin really didn't care. When Dermot left, Mr. Kelly just coldly tells Dermot to "Wear warm boots." I think that the military man in Mr. Kelly and the polarized personalities between Dermot and he were very deep-rooted and extreme. I think there were dark issues between them that could have even caused other family members to take sides. Asta, Dermot's Mother's side and some of her children seeing Dermot as a survivor. Who left to find peace and love to flee the homelife that so pained him. Kevin's side of the family, believing that he probably died in the river that day. Kevin's opinionated demeanor thinking, "Oh, Dermot doesn't have the balls to leave home and be independent." As days, weeks, months, and years went by, Kevin's got to find a way to show to the outside world that he cares about Dermot. He told people he "Searched for Dermot for twenty years." The lawyer in him, desire for winning, and not having answers to the case bothered him.

For "Dad", Dermot "died" when he walked out that door that afternoon on January 30, 1972. I theorized that Kevin say Dermot's leaving as an abandonment to the family and a "lack of respect for regard for the values that we tried to instill in "The Boy." " Speaking of Dermot very coldly, very distantly. Kevin thinking, "If Dermot wants to leave to find a better life, that's his choice." Remember, Kevin Kelly was a man that abandoned any mention of his missing son from his own obituary. For Kevin, losing Dermot was more about the loss of control, than the loss of a son. Not about love or compassion He could not conform Dermot to his demands and strict family value system. Dermot grew to be tired, worn-out, and disgusted by his father's demanding authority. Dermot had to flee.

I think other family members were worried, but Dermot's Dad, very little. Over the years, he wanted to know if he was OK to put the issue to rest and feeling a sense of duty and responsibility for the rest of the family to find out what happened to Dermot. For Kevin, it was not out of love. His obituary proves that.

Satch

It's been a while since I've heard of this case & honestly I never knew much to start with. I'm not defending his father because I again don't know the entire situation but I do want to say as a parent there are times you love your child dearly and they hurt you deeply by leaving ( I had 1 that would run away) and sometimes it makes you seem like a cold person because the hurt is so deep but I think it's more of a subconscious defense maybe on both sides. I have more than 1 child and have good relationships w/them but the one that ran away blames me for everything wrong in her life. Yes some I'm guilty of but some it's just hurt between us talking. I love her as much as the others & I worry more about her than the others but we have a volatile relationship at times. Maybe Dermot leaving hurt him deeply & more than he told anyone (many men will not admit to hurt) and maybe that's how he dealt w/it. Right or wrong we all deal w/things differently. Maybe he was an a$$ or maybe it was just a relationship like mine and this 1 child.
I hope I'm not speaking out of place. My daughter and I were arguing earlier so it just reached out to me.
 
45 years ago yesterday... Remembering Dermot

Thank you!

I have always been emotionally connected to Dermot's case and his quest for freedom and happiness. I think about him very often.

Satch
 
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    • Missing Since
    • Jan 30, 1972
    • Missing From
    • Lasalle, IL
    • Age Now
    • 61
    • Blonde
    • Eye Color
    • Blue
    • Height
    • 6'0"
    • Weight
    • 150 lbs

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Satch,
You mention the type of person that Dermot was- into arts/equality/peace/the hippie movement. It was not hard for kids to disappear at that point. Both of my older brothers, 15 and 13 years my senior left home in Connecticut and ran away to the Haight. The excesses of that time eventually killed both of them, many years later. My brother, Stephen, was the artist and dreamer and a gentler soul never lived on this Earth. He and Dermot were about the same age. It is possible that Dermot did get out of the area, get to Chicago and go out west. It honestly wasn't that hard at the time. It took my brother's father (who is not mine) almost 18 months to find them. It was a lot easier to change your name then, too. My hope is that Dermot got out, lived a new life and never wanted to contact anyone from his previous life. Maybe he knows he's considered missing and he doesn't care or maybe he doesn't even know. At least this is my hope for this young man.

I have always thought he staged his disappearance. I do not know if he reach older adulthood though. Often, those who live in authoritarian and sheltered worlds end up very victimised in the outside world. Especially because I really do think he might have been gay and thus the hospital treatment. But, I don't think he is in that river, I think he did run away.
 
I have always thought he staged his disappearance. I do not know if he reach older adulthood though. Often, those who live in authoritarian and sheltered worlds end up very victimised in the outside world. Especially because I really do think he might have been gay and thus the hospital treatment. But, I don't think he is in that river, I think he did run away.

Hi Everyone!

Good to see you back! Dermot's always in my thoughts. Honestly, my take is that he died in the river that day. I had talked with that reporter who did the great article on Dermot some years ago. He is 100% convinced that the mystery is solved and that Dermot is in the river. My views have not changed in this very sad case.

Dermot's interest in the Hippie Movement culture and his quest for a different life other than what he had at home motivates me in this case. Dermot was firm believer in the hippie movement and the followers of a very peaceful, honest, and truthful life. I can't see Dermot as a deceiver, Living in that home with an authoritarian, hot-temped ultra-conservative, and abusive father with a "Gung Ho" military attitude, for Dermot WAS deception from the life he wanted, He hated his homelike,and could no longer be a part of that environment. Regardless of the views that one has on what really happened to Dermot, most believe that he left to find peace and happiness which he never got out of living in that house.

I think Dermot's staging his disappearance would go against the honesty and truthfulness that he wanted out of life. Hippie Movement followers are not deceivers. For Dermot to leave his jacket and boots on the riverbank with bare feet in the snow. Where did he go from there? We know there were no footprints coming back from the river. We know that most of the gun, minus the telescope site) was IN the river.

I think the following to this day:

1.) Dermot's medical treatment in the fall of 1971, sent 90 miles away was to a conformity hospital at his father's demands to force him to conform to his father's ways and life-style.I looked up this information, and their were many conformity type of clinics where kids were sent from about 1950-early 70's for kids who parents thought were "rebels." Note that this was not a close distance for the Kelly family to travel, which indicates that this was likely a controversial "treatment?" plan, that may have saddened, angered, and pushed Dermot to leave.

2.) They were often given drugs or shock treatment to control what the parents thought was non-conforming behavior given at these types of clinics. My own research shows that many patients who went to these clinics often committed suicide because of what was done to them Many believe that Dermot was gay, a huge taboo, in 1972, and his interest in the hippie movement, liberal beliefs, allong the constant pressure of a home and school life that Dermot could not take anymore, gave him no other options, but to leave.

3.) Dermot knew after leaving the clinic (assuming that this was a behavior modification facility.) that there was no longer any way possible that he would ever be able to live the kind of life he wanted. To young to legally leave as an adult, two more years of hell in that house. Not anymore. He had to escape.

4.) Dermot plans to live in the house throughout Thanksgiving and Christmas, knowing that leaving during that escaping holiday times would force a lot of questions among family and friends, which he did not want. He focuses on the things he loved, reading, music, The Hippie Movement, reflective thoughts, possible writing of narratives or poetry. Dermot finds peace through reading, music, writing, and sleeping.

5.) However, in Dermot's mind and physical reality, once the music's over, the book's end, the writing his complete, he knows that the must face the demands of his father's conservative, military lifestyle within his father that Dermot hated, and pained so much. He would never be free without leaving, nor could he wait for two years to turn eighteen to be free.

6.) Dermot says "I intend to make a new life on my own and do it completely on my own" so as not to worry family members who still cared about him and presumably loved him; his Mother and his siblings. He uses the target shooting story as an alibi, to avoid being followed. This gives him an outlet to go many places. Dermot knows when he left the house that afternoon, January 30, 1972, that he's not coming back.

7.) Had the family structure and emotional pain not been so dramatically upsetting for Dermot, I would look at the possibility of Dermot's death being an accident, with hypothermia from that bitterly cold day and the 1.5 to 2 mile walk in potentially frost bite conditions playing roles in his death.

8.) Dermot has to come up with a plan in my view to kill himself and make sure his body is never found. Staging his disappearance not only would go against his beliefs of truthfulness and honesty in following his dreams, but to run away would almost force Dermot to come up with a new name and alias identity for himself. Emotionally, he couldn't do it. And if authorities found him, with a teenager not having rights of an adult, that would force him back home. Dermot might of thought. "Why? So Dad can scream and hit me more for shaming the family?"

9.) Dermot had to find the solution for peace. Not be found, but to literally make it impossible for any authorities to send him back home. For Dermot, he would rather die an "honest death", rather than live in fear of rejection, abuse, and deception.

10.) Dermot walks almost two miles away from home finds the river edge, puts the gun down in the snow conteemplates through many moments of cold, anxiety, and tears. He takes off his boots and jacket to make his body float to the bottom of the river that much faster. Sick of the pain and suffering from his home-life, and fed-up with his father demands, he picks up the rifle, goes to the bank of the river. Gets his feet near the water's edge, and shoots himself, likely in the head or heart, falling into the river, and of course dropping the gun. He likely picked a spout with heavy currents nearby. Therefore the gun would sink to the bottom under the ice. Dermot was tragically whisked away by the undertow, and because the current was so strong, and rescuers did not look long enough. (They stopped after a week, or thereabouts once a barge went through.)

Tragically, poor Dermot probably lived for no more than a half an hour once in the water. Likely in a depressed and anxious state, I really believe that Dermot thought he didn't really have anything else for which to live. "If I can't live truthfully, the kind of life I want to live, regrettably, I can no longer live."

Satch
 
I just found this thread and have been getting caught up.

I think the evidence is conclusive that Dermot committed suicide that day. Even if he shot himself in the river--I think he at least attempted to do that--the actual cause of death was probably drowning or possibly hypothermia.

I live in Michigan, where the climate is similar to Illinois. It is not unusual to spend time outdoors in 12-degree weather. There is no chance that Dermot would have succumbed to paradoxical undressing after walking 1.5 miles, nor would his parents have contacted police after 90 minutes unless they suspected that Dermot intended to harm himself.

As far as his medical treatment was concerned, he probably became very depressed due to the conformity treatment. After he got out, he probably started to recover, and most people who commit suicide do it after they have begun to recover.

Dermot's body probably stayed very close to where he drowned until spring, when temperatures would have warmed up enough for it to decay and rise. There could be a slightly deeper area (hole) where the Vermilion flows into the Illinois, and that may be where Dermot ended up initially. It's possible that the barge buried him deeply enough in the silt to prevent the body from rising, so his bones could still be close to the spot where he went in, but it's just as likely that his body surfaced eventually and drifted to a secluded spot; it may even have been broken into pieces by the churning water at the next downstream dam.
 

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