IL IL - John Wayne Gacy

  • #141
I don't think it should come to a surprise to anyone that the same guy who was more or less saying the whole Norman angle couldn't be right because 'no evidence' was ever found also would make the argument that Michael Aquino was just 'misunderstood' because 'no evidence' to the contrary was ever found

You very well may be right, but, you consistently seem to expect smoking guns (with prints and DNA on em) to be produced before you will admit that anything could have happened

The problems with that are numerous, including that the perpetrators could possibly have been good at covering their tracks, could have had help from influential people to do so, and pre-DNA law enforcement wasn't always the most sophisticated

Take Bonacci for instance, of course a lot of what he said can't be proven, how could it be? Everything they did to him and the girl who they threw in prison was done to discredit them as 'criminal drug addicts who will say anything'

Writing off everything without hard evidence is doing exactly what "they" want you to do, and this is how most of the general public thinks about these things, so "they" get exactly what they want and no one ever gets found out
Asking for evidence is not an unreasonable request. The complete lack of evidence in most of these cases and the fact that people are rehashing debunked hoaxes is straying into QAnon territory which shouldn't be something anyone wants to be part of.

You can accuse anyone of anything by this logic it's completely worthless without evidence. You can't disprove a negative it's the burden of those making the accusations to prove them not the other way round.
 
  • #142
Great post Moev

Bonacci is a very interesting piece to all of this, I know a lot of people doubt him, but he did bring them to the place he described in Colorado

Another name we haven't mentioned in this is Michael Aquino, possible/probable devil worshipping masochist who may have been behind the Colorado leg of the operation and who also had ties to more dirt going on in the Bay Area decades earlier
This is part of my problem with a lot of what Noreen says, she had originally tied Aquino to what happened.

When you read her new update of the book she still has mentions here or there of the colonel being Michael Aquino. But then in the updated section of the book mentions that the colonel is Norman as he had used this name at one point. Interestingly Michael Rossi mentioned Gacy used it too.

I know Aquino has a book out there he wrote about the McMartin scandal and though I have a copy of it I've never dug into it.. which is something I need to do. But I truly can't say if I think or don't think he was involved in Gosch or anything occurring in Colorado.

I have read Mindwar by Aquino and I interpreted it as almost a playbook for a pacifistic way to take out war, using psychology over any physical harm to individuals. I think a lot of his ideas have been misconstrued from that book.
 
  • #143
Anyway, since we are on the topic of John Wayne Gacy and accomplices has anyone read into the background on the John Mowery disappearance?
 
  • #144
In every move when it comes to Norman, and whoever else was working with him, there seems to be a quick action of "shut it down and debunk." The Franklin scandal is another example. Was there actually something going on? We will never know because it was shut down and the only people they point to have had a campaign to discredit them. There is a lot of smoke in all of these situations and because of powerful people, you will never get anything but "Oh they were a drug addict, oh they are a criminal. Sammy Gravano was a murderer of 19 people, but what he said about Gotti was true.

Maybe taking a look 20, 30, 40 years later might uncover that there was something going on. Maybe not to the extent that people think, but it could be even bigger than we know. That's the real truth.....we don't know and the people saying "Nothing to see here" might have a reason for shutting it down. Thousands of index cards with powerful people on them.....nothing to see here. Warehouse full of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬......nothing to see here. Questionable behavior, and rich and powerful friends with the president of a savings and loan......move along it's a drug addict accusing. Ties to people that have links to two serial killers operating in similar ways......oh that's fiction.
Franklin scandal, Pizza gate, Epstein, Norman, all shut down fast and moving along.

I have a friend who is from Australia. They have agents who handle sex crimes for the government. They are not allowed to even tell their spouses that they work in this agency. The suicide rate is enormous for these agents. He says that it is set up that way so if something comes out about high ranking government officials its easy to make it go away.

I think we are quick to just shut down any questions because "someone" in a position of power said there was nothing. The Hollywood studios had fixers for a reason.
 
  • #145
In every move when it comes to Norman, and whoever else was working with him, there seems to be a quick action of "shut it down and debunk." The Franklin scandal is another example. Was there actually something going on? We will never know because it was shut down and the only people they point to have had a campaign to discredit them. There is a lot of smoke in all of these situations and because of powerful people, you will never get anything but "Oh they were a drug addict, oh they are a criminal. Sammy Gravano was a murderer of 19 people, but what he said about Gotti was true.

Maybe taking a look 20, 30, 40 years later might uncover that there was something going on. Maybe not to the extent that people think, but it could be even bigger than we know. That's the real truth.....we don't know and the people saying "Nothing to see here" might have a reason for shutting it down. Thousands of index cards with powerful people on them.....nothing to see here. Warehouse full of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬......nothing to see here. Questionable behavior, and rich and powerful friends with the president of a savings and loan......move along it's a drug addict accusing. Ties to people that have links to two serial killers operating in similar ways......oh that's fiction.
Franklin scandal, Pizza gate, Epstein, Norman, all shut down fast and moving along.

I have a friend who is from Australia. They have agents who handle sex crimes for the government. They are not allowed to even tell their spouses that they work in this agency. The suicide rate is enormous for these agents. He says that it is set up that way so if something comes out about high ranking government officials its easy to make it go away.

I think we are quick to just shut down any questions because "someone" in a position of power said there was nothing. The Hollywood studios had fixers for a reason.
The thing with Gravano and other Mafia Informants is their deal to avoid prosecution requires them to tell the truth. If it turns out they lied LE can renege on the deal and prosecute them this typically results in reliable witnesses. There's nothing like that for any of these conspiracy witnesses like Paul Bonacci their claims have nothing behind them.

I agree with you on some of the coverups there definitely was but i don't think it was an overarching nationwide conspiracy i think it was much lower level than that we see those kinds of coverups all the time. The FBI mention the index cards in Paske's FBI Files and it was two State Department Employees that concerned them it wasn't the President, his whole Administration, every Governor, it was two State Department Employees iirc they were middle management which was still concerning but it very much sounds like it was two random pedo's who just so happened to work for the Government.

Unfortunately there's a lot of child abusers out there and some of them have good jobs including Government ones. Dennis Hastert the former Speaker of the House and thus one of the most powerful US Politicians was convicted of child sex crimes. If there's this massive coordinated effort to abuse kids by the Government with nationwide coverups then why wasn't he protected? That dude was third in the line of succession. Had Bush and Cheney died at the same time he'd have been President and he didn't benefit from this massive conspiracy.
 
  • #146
Asking for evidence is not an unreasonable request. The complete lack of evidence in most of these cases and the fact that people are rehashing debunked hoaxes is straying into QAnon territory which shouldn't be something anyone wants to be part of.

You can accuse anyone of anything by this logic it's completely worthless without evidence. You can't disprove a negative it's the burden of those making the accusations to prove them not the other way round.

You can't compare it to QAnon because the 1970's arent the 2020's

They aren't debunked hoaxes, they are only considered debunked by you because you live in the 2020's and have unreasonable expectations for evidence from things that happened behind closed doors fifty years ago that powerful people may have put a ton of effort into hiding

Case in point:

I know Aquino has a book out there he wrote about the McMartin scandal and though I have a copy of it I've never dug into it.. which is something I need to do. But I truly can't say if I think or don't think he was involved in Gosch or anything occurring in Colorado.

I have read Mindwar by Aquino and I interpreted it as almost a playbook for a pacifistic way to take out war, using psychology over any physical harm to individuals. I think a lot of his ideas have been misconstrued from that book.


You seem to take his words in his own books at face value.... guess what guy... pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬 might lie about being pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬, and they might also try to hide the fact that they are pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬, and some of them may have been very good at doing just that

Its like you would only every say Aquino was who some think he was if he admitted (which he was never going to do) or if you saw a video of it (which he may have been smart enough to ever be in)

You can't learn anything about what these people do privately from what he or "they" choose to tell us publicly


There's nothing like that for any of these conspiracy witnesses like Paul Bonacci their claims have nothing behind them.

Then how did he take them to the house in Colorado with the hidden underground bunker and the writing on the wall?

And once again you state 'their claims have nothing behind them' because the people in power who are able to cover this all up are saying so, I mean, did you get every covid vaccine and booster possible? Are you still getting them? Because that is what the people in power recommend


The FBI mention the index cards in Paske's FBI Files and it was two State Department Employees that concerned them it wasn't the President, his whole Administration, every Governor, it was two State Department Employees iirc they were middle management which was still concerning but it very much sounds like it was two random pedo's who just so happened to work for the Government.

Oh, well the people who would be hurt by the real truth are saying their own truth, and guess what, once again, nothing to see here just move along



Dennis Hastert the former Speaker of the House and thus one of the most powerful US Politicians was convicted of child sex crimes. If there's this massive coordinated effort to abuse kids by the Government with nationwide coverups then why wasn't he protected?


Maybe he was caught red handed, maybe he didnt play ball with the real people in power, maybe they wanted to send a message, maybe maybe maybe


Has the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 show the world has become since covid not taught you anything? That whole thing was handled in first a 'how can we pretend this isn't happening' way keeping the public in the dark and making their situations worse before it pivoted to a 'how can we profit off this as much as possible and position ourselves as best we can before the impending financial doom' way, I mean, they were telling people with one of the deadlier viruses of our life time to just stay home and do nothing, to wait on a for profit vaccine that was coming a year later, while at the same time prescribing as many other meds for as many other far less important things as possible

If they will blatantly do that in front of all of our eyes you don't think they could cover up other things?
 
  • #147
You can't compare it to QAnon because the 1970's arent the 2020's

They aren't debunked hoaxes, they are only considered debunked by you because you live in the 2020's and have unreasonable expectations for evidence from things that happened behind closed doors fifty years ago that powerful people may have put a ton of effort into hiding

Case in point:

I know Aquino has a book out there he wrote about the McMartin scandal and though I have a copy of it I've never dug into it.. which is something I need to do. But I truly can't say if I think or don't think he was involved in Gosch or anything occurring in Colorado.

I have read Mindwar by Aquino and I interpreted it as almost a playbook for a pacifistic way to take out war, using psychology over any physical harm to individuals. I think a lot of his ideas have been misconstrued from that book.


You seem to take his words in his own books at face value.... guess what guy... pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬 might lie about being pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬, and they might also try to hide the fact that they are pieces of 🤬🤬🤬🤬, and some of them may have been very good at doing just that

Its like you would only every say Aquino was who some think he was if he admitted (which he was never going to do) or if you saw a video of it (which he may have been smart enough to ever be in)

You can't learn anything about what these people do privately from what he or "they" choose to tell us publicly


There's nothing like that for any of these conspiracy witnesses like Paul Bonacci their claims have nothing behind them.

Then how did he take them to the house in Colorado with the hidden underground bunker and the writing on the wall?

And once again you state 'their claims have nothing behind them' because the people in power who are able to cover this all up are saying so, I mean, did you get every covid vaccine and booster possible? Are you still getting them? Because that is what the people in power recommend


The FBI mention the index cards in Paske's FBI Files and it was two State Department Employees that concerned them it wasn't the President, his whole Administration, every Governor, it was two State Department Employees iirc they were middle management which was still concerning but it very much sounds like it was two random pedo's who just so happened to work for the Government.

Oh, well the people who would be hurt by the real truth are saying their own truth, and guess what, once again, nothing to see here just move along



Dennis Hastert the former Speaker of the House and thus one of the most powerful US Politicians was convicted of child sex crimes. If there's this massive coordinated effort to abuse kids by the Government with nationwide coverups then why wasn't he protected?

Maybe he was caught red handed, maybe he didnt play ball with the real people in power, maybe they wanted to send a message, maybe maybe maybe


Has the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 show the world has become since covid not taught you anything? That whole thing was handled in first a 'how can we pretend this isn't happening' way keeping the public in the dark and making their situations worse before it pivoted to a 'how can we profit off this as much as possible and position ourselves as best we can before the impending financial doom' way, I mean, they were telling people with one of the deadlier viruses of our life time to just stay home and do nothing, to wait on a for profit vaccine that was coming a year later, while at the same time prescribing as many other meds for as many other far less important things as possible

If they will blatantly do that in front of all of our eyes you don't think they could cover up other things?
I never mentioned his book why on earth are you mentioning me in connection with it? That's a strawman in fact your posts are full of Ad Homs.

McMartin, Franklin, QAnon, Pizzagate are debunked conclusively. Norman and the various theories related to him aren't.

Hastert directly contradicts your paranoid narrative and you don't have a satisfactory answer for it he was one of the most powerful Politicians in America, if these things existed he would have plenty of knowledge of it and could easily blackmail powerful people to protect him. He didn't and he also wasn't killed he was convicted and ruined he is very inconvenient for your claims.

You also don't have any kind of evidence for any of your theories, ideas. As i said earlier with your logic you can accuse anyone of anything and you often do exactly that.
 
  • #148
So because they took down 1 politician for SA on a child we can say that the entire government is up front and straight forward? As soon as the heat started to hit Barney Frank he retired and everything was shut down. There are some people in government who are protected and used by what the government knows about them.
It is easy to shut down an investigation, they just 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 it and move investigators, and say there is nothing to it. A great example is in New Mexico with Tara Calico. People in town have said for years that they knew who was involved, and one is a relative of the chief of police. So nothing has been done until recently when a new Chief took over but most of the evidence is gone.

As soon as authorities say there is nothing to see, I become more interested.
 
  • #149
So because they took down 1 politician for SA on a child we can say that the entire government is up front and straight forward? As soon as the heat started to hit Barney Frank he retired and everything was shut down. There are some people in government who are protected and used by what the government knows about them.
It is easy to shut down an investigation, they just 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 it and move investigators, and say there is nothing to it. A great example is in New Mexico with Tara Calico. People in town have said for years that they knew who was involved, and one is a relative of the chief of police. So nothing has been done until recently when a new Chief took over but most of the evidence is gone.

As soon as authorities say there is nothing to see, I become more interested.
Stop with the strawmen no one said that. There's plenty of scumbags in the Government. The point is is there's not a nationwide Government Conspiracy to sell kids out of pizza places. There are coverups but they are much smaller scale like the one in your example which ftr is shaky if you look into it. We have no idea what happened to Tara we have a Chief responding to rumours, there's been countless other rumours over the years. The accused is dead ftr and has been for a long time,
 
  • #150
I never mentioned his book why on earth are you mentioning me in connection with it? That's a strawman in fact your posts are full of Ad Homs.

McMartin, Franklin, QAnon, Pizzagate are debunked conclusively. Norman and the various theories related to him aren't.

Hastert directly contradicts your paranoid narrative and you don't have a satisfactory answer for it he was one of the most powerful Politicians in America, if these things existed he would have plenty of knowledge of it and could easily blackmail powerful people to protect him. He didn't and he also wasn't killed he was convicted and ruined he is very inconvenient for your claims.

You also don't have any kind of evidence for any of your theories, ideas. As i said earlier with your logic you can accuse anyone of anything and you often do exactly that.
Fair enough, I shouldn't have mentioned you with Aquino, I got confused about who said what

Franklin scandal has not been debunked conclusively, people like you just choose to only believe things that have video or DNA for some reason

Let me ask you this? Have you ever seen your parents having sex? Does that mean they never did? Or, just maybe, could they do it in private behind closed doors and no one else has any clue what the F they are doing behind those doors

Hastert happened in the 2000's after the internet, if you think the 2000's internet world is the same as the 1970's then you are delusional, which is what all of my 'strawman' arguments are trying to show

The whole covid rant was because THEY JUST DID ALL THAT CRAP AND MORE IN THE INTERNET ERA AROUND THE BIGGEST WORLD EVENT OF OUR LIFETIME WITH ALL EYES ON THEM AND WITH NO SHAME NOR CONSEQUENCES

And you don't think powerful people were pulling the same kind of shenanigans before the internet? And for things that happened behind closed doors that are 10000000000x easier to cover up than what they just did?

Also, please show me where I have ever said a thing about pizza gate or any trafficking post the Norman timeline, I haven't, until now:


Because you said this:

There are coverups but they are much smaller scale like the one in your example

You mean like Epstein? That sure seems small in scale doesnt it? Not like it has been major world news for a decade, and we still dont know any more about the other conspirators than we did a decade ago

I am sure you will just write that off as 'there is no evidence of any other conspirators' tho, cuz its easier to just trust the official narrative then use your own brain and logically think things through


I would also like to ask you to please show me where "I often accuse anyone of anything"

Again, I will wait (and probably wait awhile, because both of the things I am waiting for have "no evidence" so they didnt happen)
 
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  • #151
J Edgar Hoover had files on politicians to a point that people that hated him kept him in office. Nixon wanted those files and did everything he could to get them after Hoover died. Using children to get politicians and other people to "fall in line" is absolutely possible and likely!
 
  • #152
J Edgar Hoover had files on politicians to a point that people that hated him kept him in office. Nixon wanted those files and did everything he could to get them after Hoover died. Using children to get politicians and other people to "fall in line" is absolutely possible and likely!
Hoover himself was blackmailed, he was tied into Guy Strait and Billy Byars Jr operations. Strait had called him a closet queen in his publications, but It's mentioned in one of the books on Hoover that he had been abusing underage kids. There's also tons of evidence of Hoover being tied to the Byars family, their tied into child trafficking and JFK.

There was some gay publications when he died that also pose the theory further that he was gay as there was a lot of talk around the time about him being gay. He had also left his fortune to the guy below him who's name I forgot, but some believed they were lovers.
 
  • #153
In October we're supposed to get a new John Wayne Gacy film and supposedly one episode features Phillip Paske? Yet no mention of Michael Rossi, which multiple people came forward with testimonies in recent years of having said he was involved in John Mowery's disappearance. There was also a guy he had assaulted in the early 80s who had been interviewed who said he had talked of being involved, the people who knew Mowery also said he talked about this and was very apprehensive about notifying Mowery's family about his disappearance.
 
  • #154
By the way guys, I have just launched a fiction book that was very inspired by all of this, it is called The Wrong Kind Of Perverts and you should be able to find it free on Amazon for the next week or three (doing a bunch of 5 day free promos)

I am quite sure anyone who is interested in this topic will enjoy it and pick up on tons of little nuggets throughout, sorry for the self promotion, but hey, at least I didn't put a link :)
 

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