IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[Chuz Life]

Yep. We've weaved back and forth between the cases a bit up-thread. That case was and has recently become (with that new CBS report) a real mess. A good amount of mistrust around of several players in both cases. I worked with the father of the boy years ago. Such a sad thing.

Exactly.

Yes it is sad. Very sad.

I found the history of bad blood to be very telling too.

 

[Thora_Jay]

I believe this for a multitude of reasons. Thanks for sharing. Are you saying the discord is between the two federal agencies and the local or between one another (FBI to DHS)? Is the Lake County task force the lead in this case or did it become federal somehow?

Lake County is the lead and the Feds are doing their own investigations.

 

[Walker007]

I get it... I need you to get that I cannot say much. I will only say that the wild speculations are just that. Again, An active investigation

Appreciate and respect your sharing what you could. However, I will say your mentioning the FEDS will likely move my speculation further toward... activity that would circumvent state jurisdiction. Hey, it's all we can do for now, right?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I get it... I need you to get that I cannot say much. I will only say that the wild speculations are just that. Again, An active investigation

Thanks. Btw. I edited my original post because I jumped the gun on possible thread intent. But i wasn't even thinking.

But thanks for understanding. Lol.

You are definitely an official sluether with 12,000 plus post. Lol. Good job.

You understand our pain when fishing for probables. Lol

Much oblige.

 

[Walker007]

Lake County is the lead and the Feds are doing their own investigations.

That really gives something to think about if FEDS are conducting their own cross investigation. Is that was your implying? Or are you talking about what the other posters have mentioned in the FEDS doing reviews on surveillance tapes, because in that type of instance, they are assisting the lead, typically. In my experiences, unless a federal crime has been committed they have remained an assisting agency to the lead. However, with what the other poster has shared, it does sound like they have a heavier involvement. This will be one to watch for sure.

 

[Chuz Life]

Ok, lets say there could be footprints on or on the side of the road. Would they be identifiable?

Of course they would be.

That's what forensic scientists do.

And would they be able to separate them from early responders?

I don't see why not. It's simply a process of elimination. And it's the very same process that is being used to disregard any dna evidence found from the first responders that might found along side any dna from any suspects as well. And for what it's worth, do that with dna is much more difficult than it would be with shoe prints.

Unfortunately I don't think they preserved the area as far as this type of evidence outside of the location of the body itself. The first hours of this was somewhat organized chaos to say the least, with the focus on the manhunt and not collecting evidence.

Who knows?

The question is - did they even LOOK for any footprints in areas where they might be found?

Your post that brought this up implied that if there was someone else on the road, there would be evidence of that.

Yep.

And the lack of the 3 mens footprint (definitively) means the 3 men didn't exist. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are only wrong in your assumption that the lack of footprints is the ONLY basis for that conclusion. There are many other reasons for why I am leaning in that direction. The lack of any footprints of the three suspects found ANYwhere is only part of that basis.

 

[katydid23]

I get it... I need you to get that I cannot say much. I will only say that the wild speculations are just that. Again, An active investigation

Softail, I have to say that I have seen your posts on many threads and you have always been very credible and because of that---I believe you. You are not someone who blows smoke, imo.

 

[Cubby]

LOL is all I have to say.. You don't have all of the facts. Nobody in the public has all of the facts. Much that has been In the media is UNTRUE.

I will say this, there is discord between agencies. The FBI and the DHS ,,,, however there is a lot of evidence. It is an active and ongoing investigation,,,, So I appreciate them preserving the facts until there is a prosecution. Which won't come anytime soon.

It wasn't suicide.

Would that mean the information provided by Filenko and Covelli via pressers is inaccurate? Interesting you mention discord between agencies. Do you mean discord between persons other than Rudd and Filenko?

 

[Japple]

Has it ever been verified that he would be able to collect FLPD pension while serving as Chief in another community? If he could, the job as FLPC would be last on his list. He would only get the pay raise from LT to PC. Not 75% of LT pay on top of full pay of Chief in another community. Or is this a benefit to the outside community to offer a lower contract amount that he would agree to knowing he would get his pension payments as well?

 

[Thora_Jay]

I get it... I need you to get that I cannot say much. I will only say that the wild speculations are just that. Again, An active investigation

BBM

That is the norm with any active investigation..

 

[Chuz Life]

LOL is all I have to say.. You don't have all of the facts. Nobody in the public has all of the facts. Much that has been In the media is UNTRUE.

I will say this, there is discord between agencies. The FBI and the DHS ,,,, however there is a lot of evidence. It is an active and ongoing investigation,,,, So I appreciate them preserving the facts until there is a prosecution. Which won't come anytime soon.

It wasn't suicide.

Okay, so the coroner AND the LE investigators are keeping suicide on the table and delaying the Lt's family from receiving his "KIA" benefits - because. . .

Why?

 

[Thora_Jay]

That really gives something to think about if FEDS are conducting their own cross investigation. Is that was your implying? Or are you talking about what the other posters have mentioned in the FEDS doing reviews on surveillance tapes, because in that type of instance, they are assisting the lead, typically. In my experiences, unless a federal crime has been committed they have remained an assisting agency to the lead. However, with what the other poster has shared, it does sound like they have a heavier involvement. This will be one to watch for sure.

It is based on what I know.

 

[Cubby]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/significant-new-evidence-found-fox-lake-murder-article-1.2349900



Another detail clarification. Covelli's description of the use of machetes seems to me to be more turning over the tall plant/swamp area in the later work (ie; go out and buy) of looking for evidence (ie; turning over every leaf) in the general area, not specifically when/where the body was found. Am I off on this?

Since it took 6 to 8 minutes to find him, I was under the impression his location was obstructed from view while on Honing. If his body was out in the open it shouldn't have taken so long to find him.

 

[Walker007]

Okay, if one was to SPECULATE. If DHS and FBI are duking it out.... It could be possible his murder resulted from some form of crime that is federal or falls under federal jurisdiction. It is all I can think of because Murder is not a federal crime, except for a few type of situations.

Here is a link explaining murders that fall under federal:
https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-becomes-a-federal-crime/


A few possibilities here!! Total SPECULATION. But sure gives some more to think about. I don't know. Much to think about.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Again, I spent many a day working on the radios in the trucks at concrete plants. . . but what would I know from my own personal experiences.

Right?

I came across an article that explained Motorola and Velox teamed up to provide helicopter air surveillance systems that can gather and coordinate all kinds of info and send it to units on the ground.
This was for the NATO conference that took place in Chicago.

None of it makes detailed sense to me but seems a bit scary.
Googling air surveillance brings up examples of low flying aircraft spotted around communities and, I swear, when I used to walk my dog, we were followed! I would just wave at them but it felt creepy.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Okay, if one was to SPECULATE. If DHS and FBI are duking it out.... It could be possible his murder resulted from some form of crime that is federal or falls under federal jurisdiction. It is all I can think of because Murder is not a federal crime, except for a few type of situations.

Here is a link explaining murders that fall under federal:
https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-becomes-a-federal-crime/

A few possibilities here!! Total SPECULATION. But sure gives some more to think about. I don't know. Much to think about.

They are not ducking out, they are conducting their own investigations

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/significant-new-evidence-found-fox-lake-murder-article-1.2349900



Another detail clarification. Covelli's description of the use of machetes seems to me to be more turning over the tall plant/swamp area in the later work (ie; go out and buy) of looking for evidence (ie; turning over every leaf) in the general area, not specifically when/where the body was found. Am I off on this?

My guess is they used the machetes along the route the dog followed. Before it rained on September 3, LE conducted the search using machetes.
Later, LE reported they found something of interest during that search so it had been worthwhile.

 

[Walker007]

They are not ducking out, they are conducting their own investigations

I was only referencing what the other poster said. They said the agencies were at odds with one another.

Softail said. "I will say this, there is discord between agencies. The FBI and the DHS "

 

[Cubby]

Appreciate and respect your sharing what you could. However, I will say your mentioning the FEDS will likely move my speculation further toward... activity that would circumvent state jurisdiction. Hey, it's all we can do for now, right?

Well said.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Okay, if one was to SPECULATE. If DHS and FBI are duking it out.... It could be possible his murder resulted from some form of crime that is federal or falls under federal jurisdiction. It is all I can think of because Murder is not a federal crime, except for a few type of situations.

Here is a link explaining murders that fall under federal:
https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-becomes-a-federal-crime/


A few possibilities here!! Total SPECULATION. But sure gives some more to think about. I don't know. Much to think about.

At first, the FBI came on board because Fox Lake Illinois and Wisconsin are close together and they thought the crime might be drug related.
Maybe something else surfaced and caught the attention of the FBI?