IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[Cubby]

Exactly the same reason the 2 male whites / 1 male black picked that location for a drug deal. (If they exist)

There is no evidence drugs had anything to do with this case. I knew someone who dealt drugs many many years ago. No serious dealer would be dealing out of an area such as the vacant cement plant. The person I knew who dealt did it out of his house and anyone he sold to had to stay for at least an hour to avoid traffic coming and going. The other did it right on HS grounds way back when many HS's in the area had outside smoking area's for students. Too obvious at a place like the cement plant.

 

[Chuz Life]

There is no evidence drugs had anything to do with this case. I knew someone who dealt drugs many many years ago. No serious dealer would be dealing out of an area such as the vacant cement plant. The person I knew who dealt did it out of his house and anyone he sold to had to stay for at least an hour to avoid traffic coming and going. The other did it right on HS grounds way back when many HS's in the area had outside smoking area's for students. Too obvious at a place like the cement plant.

And at 7:30 am.

Highly doubtful.

 

[cady]

He was on foot when he told dispatch that he was off the road following his "suspects", so if GPS was only gleaned from the patrol car radio, how did they know that he was walking around twenty minutes before his first dispatch call?????? JMO.......his footprints????........but no other footprints were found????? And how could they be sure that it was for 20 minutes?

 

[vestigare]

I have been intrigued by some of the news reports and comments about the 20 minutes that Lt Gliniewicz was reportedly "on site" before he radioed in about the three suspects. As I posted before, I have a background in electronics and radio communications and I wanted to try to answer some questions about what model radio the Lt might have been carrying that would have GPS capability.

The short answer (according to my findings and understanding) is that the report by Filenko - that the GPS was in the squad car and connected to the computer terminal is most likely the case.

I have installed units like those (GPS and all) in police vehicles in the past and while I have seen and even installed GPS in two way radios in my past as well, there are very very few portables that have that capability. It's clear from the pictures and one of the rewards offered, that Fox Lake PD carries "Motorola" radios. I can not find any portable (hand held) units that have GPS that Fox Lake would likely have had in their system.

This does not mean for certain that the Lt's portable radio did not have GPS capability but I highly doubt that it did. GPS receivers usually require a special antenna with a clear path towards the sky to receive signals from the GPS satellites overhead. The GPS systems in cell phones are an exception to this. That is because they (cell phones) have multiple cell towers to use for triangulation and so they do not rely on a clear path to the GPS satellites overhead.

I hope this information is helpful towards answering some of your questions.

Thank you for this.

I didn't even think to question whether what Filenko said was factual. Why I dont know when he hadn't been exactly forthcoming....

So is this another example of Filenko giving shifty evidence or does he really believe these radios had GPS (assuming they don't).

Or if you watch the video he seems to switch stories from Car to then explaining the radio's on the vest.

Maybe they got the info from the phones and don't have the warrant yet to have gotten that info so are claiming they got it from the radio?

Side note Lt Schinlder once worked for Motorola.

 

[vestigare]

That area on Honing Road is a wooded, wet area, but it's not like it's in the middle of the wilderness. How could bow hunting go on there when it is in between two major highways? I don't think it's a place where deer would even go, except maybe by chance, just wandering through. JMO

But if you look at all the places on the satellite maps of Fox Lake, that is a perfectlyu located area to stage all this. One of the most secluded (because of dead end gravel road), wooded (even though not a large area in square mileage), suspected (previous criminal activity), logical (because he was expected to patrol there), invisible (no cameras).


Does anyone know what the square mileage of this area is? It's been awhile since I've been there, but I'd guess it's around 1 or less.

I found just a portion of the property near the subdivision for sale and it was 27 acres. Plenty of space to do some hunting. And that is just part of it. Maybe half.

 

[Cubby]

I think they know his car was in the area for 20 minutes and somehow that info morphed into being on foot for 20 minutes. There is no real way to know he whether he was inside or outside of his squad car for 20 minutes, but logically it would seem he spent some time on foot so he could make sure the area appeared as he wanted it to, hence the signs of a struggle to the area, but not on his person.

 

[cady]

Thank you for this.

I didn't even think to question whether what Filenko said was factual.

So is this another example of Filenko giving shifty evidence or does he really believe these radios had GPS (assuming they don't).

Or of y watch the video he seems to switch stories from Car to then explaining the radio's on the vest.

Maybe they got the info from the phones and don't have the warrant yet to have gotten that info so are claiming they got it from the radio?

Side note Lt Schinlder once worked for Motorola.

I just saw that at linkdin...he is the new head of operations, etc. Is he one of the first two officers to show up at the crime scene? (Mark Schindler) JMO

 

[vestigare]

There is no evidence drugs had anything to do with this case. I knew someone who dealt drugs many many years ago. No serious dealer would be dealing out of an area such as the vacant cement plant. The person I knew who dealt did it out of his house and anyone he sold to had to stay for at least an hour to avoid traffic coming and going. The other did it right on HS grounds way back when many HS's in the area had outside smoking area's for students. Too obvious at a place like the cement plant.

I can see treens hanging out and maybe smoking and drinking but yeah this place as a major drug dealer area doesn't fit. Too obvious.

 

[marble]

I can see treens hanging out and maybe smoking and drinking but yeah this place as a major drug dealer area doesn't fit. Too obvious.

Yeah, agreed. Way less suspicious to do a quick deal on a side street, in a parking lot, etc. If it was regularly used as a smoking/drinking spot I'd assume there would have been tons of potential evidence to collect for DNA testing- cig butts, bottles and cans, etc.

 

[TheDuchess]

While not the "perfect" place to sell drugs, I would venture to guess that it would seem like a great place to hang out and do drugs. If this is a homicide, it is in my mind that they were 3 youths who either skipped school, or didn't go to school who met up or went there to hang out and party. Maybe LtG saw them cutting through or "tresspassing" and decided to confront them. Since they had drugs on them, and didn't want to get arrested, they ran toward the swamp. When they realized they were headed into difficult terrain, they realized they were stuck and they decided to fight. While certainly not simple to grab a gun from a veteran cop, when you've got 3 people and the element of surprise, anything is possible. They may have just gotten really lucky. It could very well have been a situation where one of them got shot. I can see this happening with young, athletic boys or men. Stranger things have happened.

As far as the no DNA thing or fingerprints, which I am not certain of yet, I thought there was DNA found on the gun, but they didn't know whose it was, it could happen. Also, being near the equipment being all over there and much of it being mettle, I wonder if they looked into a possible richochet. For example, first shot, as LtG was trying to pull his gun, perp grabbing for it and LtG shot by himself during the struggle, or a first or 2nd shot richoetting off of somewhere and grazing him in the vest? Some of this is reaching, I know, but I also know there are dozens of unsolved cased that never get solved because there is no DNA, fingerprints, etc... I always think back to the Brown's Chicken case. It took years to find someone. No prints or anything. But luckily, someone came forward and even more lucky, someone preserved the garbage and the perp's DNA was found on a half eaten piece of chicken. Interesting that DNA wasn't even being used at that time.

So no, I still think it is possible this was a homicide and also that what exactly happened may never be known. JMO.

 

[Solitaryone]

I still don't understand why everyone assumes that he was referring to 'those' three random people walking down the street. How do we know those were the three that he referred to, or that he ever even saw them that morning. He gave NO description whatsoever. Are those really the only people that fit that 'non-description?' Do whites and blacks not mix in Fox Lake so they were the only group walking together in town that morning?

I would think that since the three were seen on video, they had to have been seen in the area near the cement plant about the same time for the three who were located to be id'd and cleared. This is why I think Lt.CG saw them and incorporated a scenario involving the three. If the three that were cleared were nowhere near the area of the cement plant that morning, I don't understand why they would have been said by Filenko to be located, id'd and cleared. In other words, if these three were nowhere near that area at roughly the time Lt.CG was there and made the radio call, how could the three have been located and id'd at all?

 

[Montjoy]

So no, I still think it is possible this was a homicide and also that what exactly happened may never be known. JMO.

rsbm

I think that the only way we won't get a determination of what happened is if there is a lack of will by the PD, which I think is entirely possible.

 

[looking4OPH]

That area on Honing Road is a wooded, wet area, but it's not like it's in the middle of the wilderness.

Does anyone know what the square mileage of this area is? It's been awhile since I've been there, but I'd guess it's around 1 or less.

Agreed.

 

[katydid23]

I would think that since the three were seen on video, they had to have been seen in the area near the cement plant about the same time for the three who were located to be id'd and cleared. This is why I think Lt.CG saw them and incorporated a scenario involving the three. If the three that were cleared were nowhere near the area of the cement plant that morning, I don't understand why they would have been said by Filenko to be located, id'd and cleared. In other words, if these three were nowhere near that area at roughly the time Lt.CG was there and made the radio call, how could the three have been located and id'd at all?

That's all true. But just because 2 random white guys and a black friend happened to be nearby buying a drink that does not mean they were ever seen by Lt G and used by him. If they showed up on a store surveillance video then they would be interviewed and checked out. but that still does not mean that Lt G was thinking of them when he called in. JMO

 

[cady]

That's all true. But just because 2 random white guys and a black friend happened to be nearby buying a drink that does not mean they were ever seen by Lt G and used by him. If they showed up on a store surveillance video then they would be interviewed and checked out. but that still does not mean that Lt G was thinking of them when he called in. JMO

True. But ANY trio of that brief description....2white 1 black, all male..... would have been put in serious jeopardy, when the armed manhunt commenced. I am glad that that combination of 3 was only seen later on video surveillance, ID'd and counted out. WHEW. JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

rsbm

I think that the only way we won't get a determination of what happened is if there is a lack of will by the PD, which I think is entirely possible.

Well then, OK. I guess that means that no matter what they determine, you won't believe them. Regardless of evidence or anything, if it is not determined to be a suicide and no arrests are made, you are 100% convinced this is a suicide and nothing will change your mind. I prefer to remain on the side of caution when considering the fact that this man is a 30 year veteran and served our country, not to mention a beloved member of the community and a family man. That said, at least I am still open to other possibilities. Sure, it could have been a suicide. But I simply am not thoroughly convinced either way yet. JMO

 

[TheDuchess]

That's all true. But just because 2 random white guys and a black friend happened to be nearby buying a drink that does not mean they were ever seen by Lt G and used by him. If they showed up on a store surveillance video then they would be interviewed and checked out. but that still does not mean that Lt G was thinking of them when he called in. JMO

You know, a lot has been discussed about the 2 white and 1 black male. People act as though it is completely impossible for there to be more than one trio like this around that morning. First of all, there isn't only one black male in Fox Lake and the surrounding area. Yes, it is predominantly white with a large population of hispanic as well. That said, due to the fact that there is a large majority of whites, the likelihood that a black male would be seen with white people is actually greater. We live is a predominantly white neighborhood, and my kids have several black friends. My daughter, who is black, has several white friends. They also have a lot of friends who are hispanic, asian, and Indian. Quite a diverse group they are. That said, you will generally see their black friends walking around with a couple of white kids and my daughter walking around with other white kids as well. When you live in a white area, black kids don't have a large enough makeup to just hang with other black kids. There isn't as much of a black culture as say in the larger cities, where you often see white and blacks split moreso than in the suburbs. So a black person from Fox Lake will generally be seen with white people, simply because of the racial makeup of the community. So in my opinion, I don't find it one bit odd or mysterious that there could be more than one set of 3 people seen together with that racial makeup.

 

[night train]

Independence Grove Forest Preserve here in Lake County not far from Fox Lake was an old gravel quarry up until 1997.It is was heavily wooded,had a limited access gravel road main entrance and bears many other similarities to the old cement plant off Honing Road.

I can definitely assure you from personal experience locations like this are dead solid perfect spots for a multitude of nefarious activities including drug deals 24/7 especially during warm weather and that we were well aware the police would do what they could to monitor the site.

Easy access by foot or in my case motorcycle.No easy way in or out by car or truck,you usually can tell police are present before they have any clue you're there.If you're on foot in a place like that,police would have an extremely hard time catching you.

Any way you look at it,there was enough unsavory activity at the abandoned cement plant for Fox Lake to have a cop patrol it at least once or more a day.

 

[cady]

I don't think that anyone said that a trio as described by CG is or was an impossibility, only that the only one spotted on video surveillance was found to have nothing to do with this case and that no other trio as described was witnessed immediately after the shooting, and there is no evidence of a trio at the scene. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I don't think that anyone said that a trio as described by CG is or was an impossibility, only that the only one spotted on video surveillance was found to have nothing to do with this case and that no other trio as described was witnessed immediately after the shooting, and there is no evidence of a trio at the scene. JMO

I doubt there would be a 'trio' after the shooting. I imagine they would have immediately split up and ran in different directions to escape.
And there might be evidence of the trio. We don't know whose DNA they have. Or what other evidence they are sitting on. JMO