IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #5

[cady]

Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

-Sherlock Holmes (Arthur Conan Doyle)

Or, as close as you can get to it. TY JMO

 

[looking4OPH]

An interesting way to "show" the news beyond written words and MSM talking heads. Seems nothing official, rather a graphical representation of details known (at least to MSM, however "accurate" they are). At first I kind of scoffed at it, but being a "picture is worth a thousand words" person, I see some value. I wonder what the crowd here will do with this......

[video=youtube;Mn0fkv0NVeI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn0fkv0NVeI&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_med ium=twitter[/video]

http://newsdirect.nma.com.tw/

 

[cady]

I have to look closely tomorrow. Right now I have my sister and husband yakking at me while I'm trying to listen to tv talking heads and pay attention here. Thanks, I'll check it out! JMO

 

[Japple]

I don't understand what they are doing that they needed to hire an outside person to investigate inventory. Unless they know that entire dept can't be trusted to give accurate numbers.

Considering the very strange move to put a Lake County officer in as the interim Chief rather than move someone from FLPD up seems like some sort of indication that either they don't trust anyone or no one was remotely qualified to do it even for a short term?

That is an excellent question. I dint know they came to assigning A Lake County unless the board approved. But why Lake County? And how is that working with his obligations to Lake County for which he is paid? Or have they moved his pay over because these are very distinct depts and you can't just go around moving people from town to county and back around.

And what was wrong with Schindler or Norris?

bbm
These are the questions of the day. I don't think we'll get all the answers until all 3 investigations are concluded. Shooting, Chief, and inventory

 

[cady]

bbm
These are the questions of the day. I don't think we'll get all the answers until all 3 investigations are concluded. Shooting, Chief, and inventory

Agree. I can wait, but I want evidence. JMO

 

[Walker007]

An interesting way to "show" the news beyond written words and MSM talking heads. Seems nothing official, rather a graphical representation of details known (at least to MSM, however "accurate" they are). At first I kind of scoffed at it, but being a "picture is worth a thousand words" person, I see some value. I wonder what the crowd here will do with this......

[video=youtube;Mn0fkv0NVeI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn0fkv0NVeI&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_med ium=twitter[/video]



http://newsdirect.nma.com.tw/

Appreciate the video. But it doesn't show how it was meant to be self inflicted nor at the hands of someone else.

 

[looking4OPH]

Appreciate the video. But it doesn't show how it was meant to be self inflicted nor at the hands of someone else.

Yeah, don't shoot the messenger.

And I believe the service just takes known information (not necessarily proven facts or popular theories such as self-infliction) and weaves it into a visual "story".

 

[Walker007]

Yeah, don't shoot the messenger.

Oh gosh, I hope that didn't come off that way!! I was typing on my phone so it could have sounded short. I wish the commenter would have gone into further detail of their evaluation. A visual does help indeed.

 

[Walker007]

I wanted to add this thought. We have put a lot into his last words we heard. One of those things was "I am going to be out at".... Which makes a lot of logical sense to think he wasn't at that location yet. However, I caught myself the other day as I went out to do something, I spoke to someone at home as I already arrived where I was going, was standing outside the building and I told them "I am going to be at".... It struck me as I didn't realize that those words came naturally even though I was already where I was going to be. Food for thought.

 

[Japple]

I'm re hashing old discussions about the 2nd shell casing found 100 feet away. I think I read somewhere that this was the piece of evidence with DNA on it that they found the friday afternoon after the shooting. Or at least that's the way I heard it from unconfirmed sources. Here's the red flags for me on this.

It baffles me to think that someone would shoot themselves twice, and walking that distance in between.

Wouldn't there be a visible trail to close to where it was found? Didn't they have to use machetes to find it 3 days later?

Wouldn't a GR dog have tracked a trail from where his body was found?

Wouldn't the shell itself stink of GR, and be found by at least one of the dogs if they were on that trail? Or even somewhat close to it?

So if it really was found 100' away, I myself come to the conclusion that it was thrown from near where LTGs body was found. So who would do that and why?

If LTG shot himself, why bother throwing the shell? If it was thought out and staged, what purpose does it serve? Keeping it near the staged struggle makes a lot more sense.

What makes more sense to me is that someone else was there, and the casing ejected near them or even hit them. Picture 1 or 2 involved in the struggle and 1 at 8 to 10 feet away. They freaked, and in a panic, picked it up and threw it before they ran. Maybe hoping to get into a wetter area or even under water. Basically, just reacting in a panic mode

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm re hashing old discussions about the 2nd shell casing found 100 feet away. I think I read somewhere that this was the piece of evidence with DNA on it that they found the friday afternoon after the shooting. Or at least that's the way I heard it from unconfirmed sources. Here's the red flags for me on this.

It baffles me to think that someone would shoot themselves twice, and walking that distance in between.

Wouldn't there be a visible trail to close to where it was found? Didn't they have to use machetes to find it 3 days later?

Wouldn't a GR dog have tracked a trail from where his body was found?

Wouldn't the shell itself stink of GR, and be found by at least one of the dogs if they were on that trail? Or even somewhat close to it?

So if it really was found 100' away, I myself come to the conclusion that it was thrown from near where LTGs body was found. So who would do that and why?

If LTG shot himself, why bother throwing the shell? If it was thought out and staged, what purpose does it serve? Keeping it near the staged struggle makes a lot more sense.

What makes more sense to me is that someone else was there, and the casing ejected near them or even hit them. Picture 1 or 2 involved in the struggle and 1 at 8 to 10 feet away. They freaked, and in a panic, picked it up and threw it before they ran. Maybe hoping to get into a wetter area or even under water. Basically, just reacting in a panic mode

BBM
It might serve the purpose of supporting the second part of your comment. It would help make it seem like there was a struggle and someone else was there. So whatever reason there is to find a casing so far away might be the reason it's there, or it might be the reason someone is supposed to think it's there.

It's weird because I find so much of this could go both ways.

 

[looking4OPH]

Oh gosh, I hope that didn't come off that way!! I was typing on my phone so it could have sounded short. I wish the commenter would have gone into further detail of their evaluation. A visual does help indeed.

No harm, no foul, thus the smiley. Sense of humor always present and appreciated by me, veggie references aside.

The visual aspect of it is what intrigued me. Something we haven't had much of beyond some Google Street views and a few local's onsite pictures.

 

[Japple]

BBM
It might serve the purpose of supporting the second part of your comment. It would help make it seem like there was a struggle and someone else was there. So whatever reason there is to find a casing so far away might be the reason it's there, or it might be the reason someone is supposed to think it's there.

It's weird because I find so much of this could go both ways.

I'm not clear as to what you are saying. Are you saying he knew we would think someone else threw it?

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not clear as to what you are saying. Are you saying he knew we would think someone else threw it?

I'm saying it makes it look like he didn't commit suicide.

 

[katydid23]

No danger of that happening.

My point was, you said it makes it look like he didn't commit suicide. And yet many here think he did.

 

[bluesneakers]

My point was, you said it makes it look like he didn't commit suicide. And yet many here think he did.

Exactly? I mean, if he did commit suicide and didn't want anyone to think he did there would certainly be a few clues along the way that pointed to homicide or accident. So when we come across one and it seems to obviously go one way it's interesting to turn it around and see how it could support a different conclusion. So does it make it look like he didn't commit suicide, or does it mean he didn't commit suicide? There's a difference.

 

[cady]

Isn't it standard protocol to do a full inventory when a new Police Chief comes on board?

I have no experience for knowing what standard Police Protocol is, for inventory or otherwise and would never purport to know. With your knowledge of Police Protocol, what do you believe it is, in terms of reviewing inventory? THANKS JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I have no experience for knowing what standard Police Protocol is, for inventory or otherwise and would never purport to know. With your knowledge of Police Protocol, what do you believe it is, in terms of reviewing inventory? THANKS JMO

Not Katy but reviewing inventor to me means that there is a physical inventory. I remember one time while working at a store and a customer wanted a window air conditioner and when they went to pull it, it was not there, the computer said it was there. The manager about blew a gasket and called for a review of the inventory. With that, all inventory in that department was physically compared to what the computer said was in stock.

 

[cady]

YES. Probably, but my question was about specific Police Protocol. I wonder how often independent investigators are brought in to inventory police equipment. And under what circumstances. Dunno. JMO

 

[night train]

I'm re hashing old discussions about the 2nd shell casing found 100 feet away. I think I read somewhere that this was the piece of evidence with DNA on it that they found the friday afternoon after the shooting. Or at least that's the way I heard it from unconfirmed sources. Here's the red flags for me on this.

It baffles me to think that someone would shoot themselves twice, and walking that distance in between.

Wouldn't there be a visible trail to close to where it was found? Didn't they have to use machetes to find it 3 days later?

Wouldn't a GR dog have tracked a trail from where his body was found?

Wouldn't the shell itself stink of GR, and be found by at least one of the dogs if they were on that trail? Or even somewhat close to it?

So if it really was found 100' away, I myself come to the conclusion that it was thrown from near where LTGs body was found. So who would do that and why?

If LTG shot himself, why bother throwing the shell? If it was thought out and staged, what purpose does it serve? Keeping it near the staged struggle makes a lot more sense.

What makes more sense to me is that someone else was there, and the casing ejected near them or even hit them. Picture 1 or 2 involved in the struggle and 1 at 8 to 10 feet away. They freaked, and in a panic, picked it up and threw it before they ran. Maybe hoping to get into a wetter area or even under water. Basically, just reacting in a panic mode

There's the bits and pieces of what's been disseminated along with the "unconfirmed sources" which specifically is where the 100 foot distance between shell casings information surfaced.

100 feet....that's a really convenient nice round number.. or maybe the "real" distance between shell casings was 82 feet or 68 feet etc.

That aside,imagine a Football field, 30 yards is nothing.Imagine taking a 40 caliber hit in your bullet proof vest and stumbling stunned and in panic mode only 30 yards (100 feet) You trip and fall.As you desperately try to stand up, you see your own gun pointed at the base of your neck, instinctively your hands reach out...