IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #5

[Chuz Life]

I'm still open to all theories. If it was a set up, I don't think it was staged to look like a suicide. I don't think it was staged at all.

Wait - what?

You think this might have been a setup?

How do you reconcile the fact that the Lt. radioed in the trio of suspects himself and he did not wait for backup and he was shot twice with his own weapon. . . with a setup?

 

[Chuz Life]

Doesn't a set-up require staging? JMO If 3people were there with no weapons and just happened to be noticed by a cop not quite on duty yet? JMO If someone sent him there or them there or both, that is staging. JMO

Great minds tend to think alike.

 

[bluesneakers]

Doesn't a set-up require staging? JMO If 3people were there with no weapons and just happened to be noticed by a cop not quite on duty yet? JMO If someone sent him there or them there or both, that is staging. JMO

I see what you mean. The stage was already set up beforehand.

The thing I don't get about a possible post-stage (whether or not it was a set up) was the five minutes part.

 

[Japple]

Doesn't a set-up require staging? JMO If 3people were there with no weapons and just happened to be noticed by a cop not quite on duty yet? JMO If someone sent him there or them there or both, that is staging. JMO I am quite sure that he staged it to look like a homicide, though.

Sorry. I may have a different opinion of what staging a crime scene means. I'm referring to evidence purposely created or left behind to make it look like something happened different to what really happened. Not in the planning or coordination that would be necessary beforehand.

 

[Japple]

Wait - what?

You think this might have been a setup?

How do you reconcile the fact that the Lt. radioed in the trio of suspects himself and he did not wait for backup and he was shot twice with his own weapon. . . with a setup?

bbm
I'm open to all scenarios at this time.

 

[Chuz Life]

Sorry. I may have a different opinion of what staging a crime scene means. I'm referring to evidence purposely created or left behind to make it look like something happened different to what really happened. Not in the planning or coordination that would be necessary beforehand.

But you seemed to indicate that this might have been a "set up."

Specifically, what did mean by that?

What evidence do we have of a "set up?"

 

[Japple]

What evidence do we have of a "set up?"

sbm
Absolutely none.

 

[Chuz Life]

But you seemed to indicate that this might have been a "set up."

Specifically, what did mean by that?

What evidence do we have of a "set up?"

sbm
Absolutely none.

I don't see any either.

 

[Japple]

But I do see possible motive.

 

[katydid23]

Wait - what?

You think this might have been a setup?

How do you reconcile the fact that the Lt. radioed in the trio of suspects himself and he did not wait for backup and he was shot twice with his own weapon. . . with a setup?

All of the above could happen, even if it was a set up.

 

[longlonglake]

Japple, you said you have an idea as to motive.

Please, please let us know what you really think.

 

[Japple]

Japple, you said you have an idea as to motive.

Please, please let us know what you really think.

Right now I don't really think anything. But I'm open to all theories. Homicide, Murder (as in set up), or Suicide.

As far as a set up goes, with all the investigations, POSSIBLE corruption, and political BS in the community, I can see a POSSIBLE motive. If LTG was going to blow the whistle on someone regarding one of the investigations, there could be motive. Even if he suspected other wrong doings previously, but kept a blind eye, he might be forced to out the people involved. Or be implicated of wrongdoing himself if he didn't.

There's a lot of other local rumors and gossip that can't be posted here, and I won't repeat them in PMs. But some are not job related.

These lines of thinking could also give merit to the suicide theory, which is why I keep that on the table. Even though I myself, put that last

 

[Chuz Life]

Right now I don't really think anything. But I'm open to all theories. Homicide, Murder (as in set up), or Suicide.

I still can't imagine how "set up" can possibly be on anyone's radar as a consideration.

I digress.

 

[Japple]

As to why the suicide theory is still on the table for the task force. It has been said here numerous times it is because the task force doesn't have enough evidence to believe 100% homicide. So for them suicide is still on the table. Which is understandable. Those of you following this thread closely know what I'm talking about.

But... They still have 9 DNA samples that have not been cleared. How could they take suicide off the table with unknown DNA still out there? It would be improper to do so, IMO.

So, what if they determined suicide weeks ago? National backlash ensues. Issues all over the place...Then months or even years from now CODIS gets a hit and an interrogation provides a suspect.

My point is, is that suicide won't ever be even considered off the table until all 9 samples have been cleared. Or someone is arrested with enough evidence to support that arrest.

 

[Japple]

I still can't imagine how "set up" can possibly be on anyone's radar as a consideration.

I digress.

I'm quite sure I'm not the only one to have this on the table. There have been a lot of different theories from posters in this thread that seem not on anybody's radar. Including one that I remember labeled an "accidental suicide"

 

[Japple]

I digress.

sbm
From what?

 

[Japple]

I see at least 2 newer members looking into this thread that have joined since the 1st thread was started, but have 0 posts. Please join in on the conversation. Are you local? Have anything to do with the investigation? Come on in, the waters warm.

 

[Montjoy]

My point is, is that suicide won't ever be even considered off the table until all 9 samples have been cleared. Or someone is arrested with enough evidence to support that arrest.

rsbm

Wait, what? How do you figure? What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. The 9 samples collected do not in any way suggest that 9 people were present when CG died/was killed/killed himself. Those samples do not even suggest that one other person was there at that time.

 

[Japple]

rsbm

Wait, what? How do you figure? What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. The 9 samples collected do not in any way suggest that 9 people were present when CG died/was killed/killed himself. Those samples do not even suggest that one other person was there at that time.

But they don't suggest otherwise either. They all have to be cleared before they take suicide off the table. IMO

 

[vestigare]

rsbm

Wait, what? How do you figure? What you're saying makes no sense whatsoever. The 9 samples collected do not in any way suggest that 9 people were present when CG died/was killed/killed himself. Those samples do not even suggest that one other person was there at that time.

Exactly!
Not to mention even Filenko explained in the press conf that everyone has transfer DNA on their body and on their effects so this DNA is not in and of itself proof of anything. It simply is just some DNA.

So if Filenko is saying that.....