IL - Six Martinez family members murdered, Chicago, 4 Feb 2016 *Arrests* *guilty*

[oceanblueeyes]

It's not murder suicide for sure. All victims had multiple wounds. Weapons not recovered.

http://wgntv.com/2016/02/11/3-bladed-weapons-used-to-kill-most-of-gage-park-family/

Do they have gangs around the area where they lived?

TIA

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Monica Arias told CNN affiliate WLS she never heard any signs of trouble coming from the single-family Gage Park home: "No screaming, no fighting, we heard nothing." Fellow neighbors described victims as family oriented, with Fani Maldonado calling one of them her "best co-worker" washing windows at O'Hare airport.

Markita Williams knocked on the family's front door last Wednesday after noticing a van outside, one she worried might belong to someone inside and be towed.

No one answered.

"Everything was closed up tight," said Williams, who has lived directly next door for three years. "They always had their curtains open -- you could see directly into the house from the front and on the side."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/us/chicago-family-killed/

Imo, if they kept their drapes open all the time they sure weren't trying to hide what went on inside of their home.

So sad. They sound like a wonderful hard working family.

 

[katydid23]

Was anything stolen from their home?

 

[Cryptic]

I believe that's based in part on the fact there was no forced entry. If it wasn't a random robbery/home invasion, only a couple of possibilities remain: DV that started within the home; or a personal attack by someone who was able to gain entrance without breaking in.

I dont think it would be likely to enlist two or more accomplices to participate in an act of domestic violence agains an entire family- espescially by stabbing them to death. Likewise, I dont think the perpertrators were an American street gang from Chicago as U.S. gang leaders are unlikely to command that kind of loyalty.

My bet is they were cartel members. They were then either ordered to kill a specific individual and then killed the whole family because they were there, or they were ordered to use the whole family as an example.

My general impression is that most cartel hit squads are from rural areas of Mexico and favor a dress style that combines "Mexican cowboy" with "Miami Vice". If this impression is accurate and the hit squad was not local, but brought from Mexico, then perhaps neighbors noticed men dressed like that in the area?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I believe that's based in part on the fact there was no forced entry. If it wasn't a random robbery/home invasion, only a couple of possibilities remain: DV that started within the home; or a personal attack by someone who was able to gain entrance without breaking in. Of course, robbers sometimes gain entrance without busting through locks. The nature of the violence, however, combined with no forced entry, lends to the conclusion that the attack was personal. JMO

BBM

ITA Bessie. I cant count the home invasion cases I have read about recently where there was no forced entry into the home. Sadly, people still do open the door when someone knocks on it even if its late at night. In the surrounding towns around ours there has been a rash of home invasions and not one was a forced entry. They simply walked up to the door using some ruse that they needed some kind of help and the victim opened the door. In our area many are using a female as bait as the one who comes to the door and once the owner opens the door multiple males will push the homeowner back inside.

I think this family felt safe in their neighborhood but that may have been a mistake. A mistake others have also made. At least LE is not ruling out the home invasion/robbery possible motive. They wouldn't tell the public if anything was taken with the investigation ongoing. They may do so after an arrest/s has been made like LE told the media that a credit card had been taken by the arrested suspects belonging to Amanda Blackburn. I get the feeling there were multiple suspects involved in this case too

Do they know the exact time the family was murdered? The reason I ask is a lot of people do not keep their doors locked during the day even if they lock them at night.

IMO

 

[bessie]

I dont think it would be likely to enlist two or more accomplices to participate in an act of domestic violence agains an entire family- espescially by stabbing them to death. Likewise, I dont think the perpertrators were an American street gang from Chicago as U.S. gang leaders are unlikely to command that kind of loyalty.

My bet is they were cartel members. They were then either ordered to kill a specific individual and then killed the whole family because they were there, or they were ordered to use the whole family as an example.

My general impression is that most cartel hit squads are from rural areas of Mexico and favor a dress style that combines "Mexican cowboy" with "Miami Vice". If this impression is accurate and the hit squad was not local, but brought from Mexico, then perhaps neighbors noticed men dressed like that in the area?

See my earlier post #42. They might have been locals.

And we have this statement from LE, so retribution is not out of the question.

Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said late Friday that it's possible someone in the family "was involved in something that could have targeted them,"...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-found-dead-chicago-home-targeted-36754611

 

[bessie]

BBM

ITA Bessie. I cant count the home invasion cases I have read about recently where there was no forced entry into the home. Sadly, people still do open the door when someone knocks on it even if its late at night. In the surrounding towns around ours there has been a rash of home invasions and not one was a forced entry. They simply walked up to the door using some ruse that they needed some kind of help and the victim opened the door. In our area many are using a female as bait as the one who comes to the door and once the owner opens the door multiple males will push the homeowner back inside.

I think this family felt safe in their neighborhood but that may have been a mistake. A mistake others have also made. At least LE is not ruling out the home invasion/robbery possible motive. They wouldn't tell the public if anything was taken with the investigation ongoing. They may do so after an arrest/s has been made like LE told the media that a credit card had been taken by the arrested suspects belonging to Amanda Blackburn. I get the feeling there were multiple suspects involved in this case too

Do they know the exact time the family was murdered? The reason I ask is a lot of people do not keep their doors locked during the day even if they lock them at night.

IMO

Well, you remember my "lists" from the Blackburn case, so you know I agree with you that it's possible. But six family members -- four adults -- stabbed, and a gun used only on one. I dunno...that reduces the odds of a random attack, imo.

 

[jjenny]

See my earlier post #42. They might have been locals.

And we have this statement from LE, so retribution is not out of the question.

Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said late Friday that it's possible someone in the family "was involved in something that could have targeted them,"...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-found-dead-chicago-home-targeted-36754611

And it possible that it wasn't. Isn't exactly a strongly worded statement. Sounds like police simply have no idea at this point.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, you remember my "lists" from the Blackburn case, so you know I agree with you that it's possible. But six family members -- four adults -- stabbed, and a gun used only on one. I dunno...that reduces the odds of a random attack, imo.

Do they believe more than one type of knife was used? I don't really know but that could still mean it was a home invasion by two or three and one or two were carrying a knife and the other one had a gun.

It just seems to me if this was personal and committed by another family member there wouldn't be two or three involved and maybe just one would come in. Who was left at home when four of the family members went out to eat? The two there could have been murdered first and then the others when they came in.

Has it been disclosed where the bodies were found? Sorry for all the questions sweet Bessie but you know I always count on you since you seems to know all the latest information on so many cases. You are like a walking encyclopedia and I mean that in the best way possible.

It also seems to me LE would know by now if this family was involved in selling drugs. Info like that gets out on the streets and in their neighborhood. LE usually has plenty of informants to ask that could tell them if drug dealings were going on there.

Whomever did this I just wish they could find them and arrest them to get them off the streets.

Have there been any updates today on this case?

I am just now coming online.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was wondering the same thing. She was the daughter of the older couple and the younger adult male was the son of the older couple. The two young boys must have a dad out there somewhere and she may have had a boyfriend.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/six-slain-in-a-bloody-mess-in-chicago-home/33303705

Its strange that the young mother was the only one shot multiple times. Shooting someone is impersonal than an up close and personal knife attack/s. I have read when murderers use knives they want to make sure the victim/s are able to see who is murdering them plus the murderer knows it causes much more pain and suffering as well.

Why not shoot them all or did they run out of bullets I wonder?

I thought I did read that four in the family went out to eat at some point so I wonder which two were left behind and if they were killed first?

The adult man lying right inside close to the door must have been killed almost as soon as he walked into his home.

I wish LE would have told the locations of the other bodies when they were found. It sounds like they were also struck with some type of bludgeoning weapon(blunt force trauma) and stabbed as well. It makes me wonder if some of them could have been asleep when they were murdered. They could have all been killed at least two days before they were found so it will probably be hard for the ME to do an exact time of death or may not even be able to ascertain for certain what day they were murdered.

I remember when the six Alday family members were murdered. The killers were murdering them one by one as they came in from work.

Did the father of the two children live in Mexico or was he just visiting at the time this happened?

It seems the rest of their family lives in other parts of the country.

No matter what this family deserves justice and I pray LE can find out the answers and bring the culprit/s to justice. Anyone that can do this to young children is a danger to everyone as long as they are walking the streets.

IMO

 

[Maroon10]

Do they have gangs around the area where they lived?

TIA

I grew up a few miles away, yes, ALOT of gang activity in that area.

I went to summer school in the area back in late 2000's and was jumped day 1 walking to the school from the bus.

 

[bessie]

From an unnamed source, FWIW:

Forensic test results in murder of Chicago family may be ready by next week

Right now, the key to solving this case lies in the evidence which is being rushed through the crime labs. A source told FOX 32 that investigators hope to have at least some of it back by early next week.

[...]

Chicago police say this case remains a top priority for the department, but that detectives are proceeding methodically and painstakingly because of all the evidence. A source says detectives have nearly finished reviewing 36 hours’ worth of video from various cameras in the area.

For the family, justice can't come soon enough.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/93762656-story

It sounds like they've gathered a good deal of evidence. Keeping my fingers crossed that it holds something of value. :crossfingers:

 

[bessie]

Do they believe more than one type of knife was used? I don't really know but that could still mean it was a home invasion by two or three and one or two were carrying a knife and the other one had a gun.

It just seems to me if this was personal and committed by another family member there wouldn't be two or three involved and maybe just one would come in. Who was left at home when four of the family members went out to eat? The two there could have been murdered first and then the others when they came in.

Has it been disclosed where the bodies were found? Sorry for all the questions sweet Bessie but you know I always count on you since you seems to know all the latest information on so many cases. You are like a walking encyclopedia and I mean that in the best way possible.

It also seems to me LE would know by now if this family was involved in selling drugs. Info like that gets out on the streets and in their neighborhood. LE usually has plenty of informants to ask that could tell them if drug dealings were going on there.

Whomever did this I just wish they could find them and arrest them to get them off the streets.

Have there been any updates today on this case?

I am just now coming online.

Sorry, OBE. I was going to reply the other day, and got completely sidetracked.

Three "bladed weapons" were used.

LE believes the family was targeted - However, they were not random, with Roy saying authorities assume "the family was targeted." Why, no one is saying.

“We still believe that this was an incident related directly to the family and not a random act of violence,” Giancamilli said in an email.
http://homicides.suntimes.com/2016/...n-gage-park-home-reverend-asks-was-god-there/

No forced entry
"The victims suffered blunt trauma, which leads us to treat this case as a homicide," Roy said. "I think it's also important to note that there was no signs of forced entry to the residence despite rumors and reports yesterday the victims were not bound and there appears to be no ransacking in the house."

Noe (62) and Rosaura (58) Martinez, the grandparents of the two boys, were stabbed and beaten

Noe Martinez, Jr. (38) was stabbed and beaten.

The boys, Alexis (10) and Leonardo (13), were stabbed.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Chicago-home-Feb-2016&p=12336518#post12336518

Maria Martinez (32) died of gunshot wounds. I believe it was she who was found in the garage, since "there was no sign of gunfire in the home".

Others were found "throughout the house", and as we know, one body was found near the back door.

I don't know who had gone out to eat. The murders took place between late Tuesday afternoon and Thursday morning.

Nothing I've read would indicate the grandparents or either of their two children were involved with drugs. And by all accounts they were a very close knit and loving family.

She described the grandparents as devoted to their children and grandchildren. The grandmother "was always a stay-at-home wife and mother who loved taking care of her grandkids," Martinez said. Their son "treated those boys like they were his own. They were his nephews, but people thought they were his sons. He was close to them."

Through the years, the grandparents allowed relatives to stay in their spacious house until they could get on their feet. Martinez said she and her husband had stayed there.

"We were close because we were together," she said. "My husband was just there with them for Christmas. He had a good time, and was just chilling with his uncle and cousins. Nothing seemed to be wrong.

"They were great people, and we don't know who would want to harm them," she said. "Our entire family is in shock, and we can't believe this happened."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...eople-dead-southwest-side-20160204-story.html

The boys' father and the Martinez' other daughter came from Mexico to attend the funeral.

Before the Sunday night mass, the victim's family members wanted to thank Chicago for the love and support they've felt. They spoke to the media through a translator.

“He says that Chicago has been his hometown, Chicago gave him his family and Chicago has taken away his family and he is taking them with him to Mexico,” said the translator for Armando Cruz. He is the father of the two boys.

Violetta Martinez is now the only surviving member of the Martinez family - she lost her parents, brother, sister and nephews.

“She was saying that her parents are wonderful people and that they were a very loving family,” said the translator for Martinez.
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/91488875-story

Investigators hope to speak to Armando Cruz, the boys’ father, while he is in town for the funeral. He is neither a suspect nor a person of interest, CPD spokesman Frank Giancamilli said Sunday.
http://homicides.suntimes.com/2016/...n-gage-park-home-reverend-asks-was-god-there/

Now, relatives in town from Texas are working with investigators.

"The first thing they told me to do was go and talk to them and figure out what was going on," said Juan Martinez, nephew.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/cpd-family-of-6-found-dead-in-gage-park-home-was-targeted/1187969/

 

[bondno9]

I believe Maria Martinez was the target as she was shot. Would like to know the relationship between her & the children's father. How is it she and the children were living in the United States but he was in Mexico? Also, how long had she and the children been living in the States. Any dv history between her and the children's father?

Would like more information on the van that was seen parked in front of the residence.

 

[Cryptic]

And it possible that it wasn't. Isn't exactly a strongly worded statement. Sounds like police simply have no idea at this point.

Until the police issue arrest warrants for the murderers, they really will not know for certain (at least publically anyways) the true motive for the attack.

Also, the "possible" type language decreases the chance that the police will be accused of slandering the family. Yet, at the same time, it also solicits tips from people with knowledge of criminal groups.

 

[bessie]

I think my first comment was a question about whether the daughter had a bf. It's horrible any way you look at it, but if true, from the family's perspective this is better than the other possibilities.

Posted:Feb 25 2016 09:08PM CST Updated:Feb 26 2016 10:31AM CST

CHICAGO (FOX 32 News) - FOX 32 News has learned that investigators now believe they know why the Martinez family from Gage Park was killed.

[...]

The focus of the police investigation is now on Maria Martinez, who is the mother of the two young boys. Detectives believe the motive is domestic related, which was one of the early theories. But now, it appears it may be a possible love triangle-type scenario that prompted someone to kill Martinez and five of her family members.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/97740656-story

 

[bessie]

Looks like it's still up in the air.

Posted:Feb 26 2016 08:40PM CST. Updated:Feb 26 2016 09:45PM CST

[...]

Detectives had requested a rush on some of the most critical forensic evidence gathered from the home where the bodies were discovered, but so far that material is still being processed.

Sources have told FOX 32 News that the focus of case is now looking at some kind of love triangle involving Maria Martinez and some men in her life. Cell phone records suggest Martinez may have been trying to make some of them jealous.

[...]

A Mexican Cartel connection to this case has reportedly been ruled out, but publicly the Chief of Detectives would not confirm that and he said at this point there are no suspects.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/98099991-story

 

[0101ABA]

Chicago family killed may have been wrongly targeted, police say

CHICAGO --
The murders of six people in a Gage Park home could be a case of killers targeting the wrong house, the Chicago Interim Police Superintendent John Escalante said.

http://abc7ny.com/news/chicago-family-killed-may-have-been-wrongly-targeted-police-say/1227472/

 

[jjenny]

Chicago family killed may have been wrongly targeted, police say


http://abc7ny.com/news/chicago-family-killed-may-have-been-wrongly-targeted-police-say/1227472/

Sure sounds like police don't have a clue at this point.

 

[bessie]

Chicago family killed may have been wrongly targeted, police say


http://abc7ny.com/news/chicago-family-killed-may-have-been-wrongly-targeted-police-say/1227472/

Thanks, KEJ. I just saw that, myself. Not sure I'm convinved. We'll see. Sounds like the type of comment LE throws out when the don't want to deal with reporters. JMO


Escalante said police are looking at whether the killers had the wrong home, but they still haven't ruled anything out.

The crime lab is still processing evidence