GUILTY IL - Willow Long, 7, Watson, 8 Sept 2013 - #2

[HereIsMeAgain]

no, but synthetics might...

(I have no idea if that has anything to do with this case but synthetics are among the few drugs I legit have no qualms about calling them poison. Those of you who have seen me post a lot know that most of the time I say stuff like, "Oh it isn't the drug that is bad, it's the uncertainty about what you are getting" and so on but not synthetics.)

Synthetics as in legal highs?? Hate it, hate it, hate it!!!! Have recently found out young teenagers in my town are making their own to sell. Who knows what they are lacing it with.:banghead: I'm still trying to get over the way this stuff (store brought) has affected my family.

 

[krimekat]

They drug him out of the house at 6 am?
How were they so sure it was him?

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I'm not sure they/LE drug him (meaning the uncle) out of the house at 6a; according to reports from StL stations, both mom & uncle were questioned by LE most of yesterday. They reported both mom & uncle were "in custody" last night (not arrested but with LE, wherever that was) and the house was roped off with crime scene tape.

Uncle was arrested around 6a this morning.

StL stations I've followed are KSDK, Fox2Now, KMOV

 

[MsTedious]

... I don't see a delete option... so this is not here.

 

[Karmady]

I really want to know why the grandfather came out saying "I suspect foul play" and then today he is saying "This was a tragic accident."

Makes me wonder what his first instincts were, and what that could say about the dynamics within that household.

when he said he suspected foul play it was because he strongly felt that Willow wouldn't have left the yard by herself under any circumstances AND he hadn't been allowed to talk to his son yet. Since then, he's apparently been made aware of his son's story. Not sure if that was directly or indirectly.

jmo

 

[Portabella]

Someone stated they need to reel in the Grandpa... I think he needs to be loved, supported and sadly he needs medical/mental help right now... I look at him and listen to him and he is obviously not okay .... Oh I hope someone helps him soon... he could end up having a heart attack... I see a family being torn apart and destroyed and this just saddens me on so many levels... his pain is palpable ... I really hope someone steps in and literally sedates him for his own good. IMHO

 

[Lava]

For me, it isn't the impalement that makes the story unbelievable. It is the "put her out of her misery" part. That sounds like they have a COD that is not impalement that he is trying to cover up. First off, he thought she was dead but put her out of her misery anyways? What? Second, There are tons of stories out there where kids have fallen on things like pencils and pens that impale them, and they live. Who would intentionally cause the death of someone who may be able to be saved by calling 911. Who would risk a murder charge, losing your whole family, your life, to cover a simple accident? Nope. Doesn't make any sense.

 

[Kamille]

I really want to know why the grandfather came out saying "I suspect foul play" and then today he is saying "This was a tragic accident."

Makes me wonder what his first instincts were, and what that could say about the dynamics within that household.

I was surprised that he threw the rest of his kids under the bus by suggesting that the arrested son was the only "good" kid he had. Both of the interviews were just very strange IMO. Maybe he originally thought the foul play was in regards to Willow's mom and/or her friends?

MOO

 

[ohiomom73]

I have seen time and time again where they hold on a lesser charge, and then eventually the charges lead up to much more serious charges. My question to you all is this....Have you ever seen it to where LE hits a suspect with the most serious charge...like Murder one for example in an attempt to get them to confess the truth of what happened? If this does turn out to be an accident ...is it possible they hinted/announced that he would be charged with Murder in the first tomorrow at 1 P.M. to get him to come clean with what occurred? Is this even a possibility? I am just curious if anyone has ever heard or seen anything like that before? I cannot recall ever seeing it, but just perplexing now after Poor Grandpa's statement. IMHO

I think grandpa is probably saying the only thing that makes sense to him. But no, I would not think they would hit him with murder 1 right out of the gate unless they were absolutely sure it was no accident. So I have to go with my gut that this was intentional, though I don't think it was premeditated.
IMHO

 

[Ashley426]

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It might have been removed because I don't think we're supposed to copy and paste directly from Facebook. I believe we can just direct others to the post/information and give a link...let me check real quick.

ETA: Here are the rules for social media on WS for everyone

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The rest can be found here if anyone needs/wants to read them: Websleuths Etiquette & Information It comes in handy to know what to post/not to post, who to talk about/who not to talk about, etc.

 

[scadder21]

can we please revisit the small footprints found around (a lake i believe?) is it possible he could have made her walk around it, or maybe she was attempting to run away from him if he had taken her out to the woods to hurt her? i could see that being leverage for the 1st degree murder charge. i don't believe this was an accident. i call BS. the "it was an accident" scenario seems to be a common excuse for many murderers...more like deep rooted denial IMO.

No they said yesterday that the footprints weren't hers.

 

[Karmady]

I think grandpa is probably saying the only thing that makes sense to him. But no, I would not think they would hit him with murder 1 right out of the gate unless they were absolutely sure it was no accident. So I have to go with my gut that this was intentional, though I don't think it was premeditated.
IMHO

A poster upthread observed that if the uncle "put her out of her misery" that would be sufficient for the first degree charge even if the incident started out as an accident. I agree with that. jmo

 

[margarita25]

I'm very interested in the details re: specifics of the dumpsite, and in what position was Willow in when she was found, etc...was she covered vs uncovered, buried, what all injuries did she sustain, etc etc, so many questions I really don't want to know the answer to but are important to know...

Willow's body will tell the story.

 

[krimekat]

I really want to know why the grandfather came out saying "I suspect foul play" and then today he is saying "This was a tragic accident."

Makes me wonder what his first instincts were, and what that could say about the dynamics within that household.

Agree - and sometime he talked about it with his son & it went from "foul play" to this "accident".

Praying LE has its $h*t together

 

[Leilei]

I really want to know why the grandfather came out saying "I suspect foul play" and then today he is saying "This was a tragic accident."

Makes me wonder what his first instincts were, and what that could say about the dynamics within that household.

Excellent catch! Why the 180 from his initial comments?

I know that we are victim-friendly, and I am praying that the newest reports regarding when she died are just due to shock and confusion, but that jaded part of me will not stay quiet. I really want to believe that they have the only person responsible locked up and charged right now.

IMO, as always.

 

[gngr~snap]

Agree - and sometime he talked about it with his son & it went from "foul play" to this "accident".

Praying LE has its $h*t together

I caught that too!

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[longtallcold]

I read back and never saw WHY grandpa told this story....did I miss it? Did he say his son told him this?

 

[margarita25]

Agree - and sometime he talked about it with his son & it went from "foul play" to this "accident".

Praying LE has its $h*t together

It seems they really do, imo (with the exception of the crime scene tape thing possibly :facepalm:, but I am inclined to believe they had already conducted a thorough search of the home and collected evidence in the initial stages of this investigation).

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Side note on slash piles for the city folk

The "pile of sticks" could well be what we here in rural MT call slash piles: mine are 5-6 feet high and are piles of brush/sticks of cleared debris from our woods/farm land--to be burned in fall or spring.
I have always cautioned my daughter and her friends to NOT play on or near these as I freak out worrying about puncture or impalement injuries....

We have them in PA, too. I never heard them called that but I agree with you that they aren't play places! I grew up along the old Appalachian Trail, semi-rural I suppose. My parents helped clear the land to build our home on the mountainside when I was about 2-3 and did much of the construction themselves. The bare minimum of trees were removed to build our home, so we were surrounded by woods and there were plenty slash piles around. It was drummed into my toddler brain to stay away from them, I guess, because by the time I had my first friend over in elementary school and she wanted to climb one, I thought she was nuts.

 

[graush26]

For me, it isn't the impalement that makes the story unbelievable. It is the "put her out of her misery" part. That sounds like they have a COD that is not impalement that he is trying to cover up. First off, he thought she was dead but put her out of her misery anyways? What? Second, There are tons of stories out there where kids have fallen on things like pencils and pens that impale them, and they live. Who would intentionally cause the death of someone who may be able to be saved by calling 911. Who would risk a murder charge, losing your whole family, your life, to cover a simple accident? Nope. Doesn't make any sense.

Exactly!!

After watching the video, grandpa was pointing to his neck as if the stick entered at that part of willows body. Only way I've ever heard of dire injuries to the neck is due to blood loss. Still sounds noisy. Any neighbors around?

 

[MsTedious]

Not a mod, of course, but I think it does violate the TOS unless you have permission. At least that's my understanding from other threads.

Maybe delete and check with a mod first?

Thank you (and everyone else) for the information. I have edited the post to take out the quotes. Sorry about that. I put them there to show that the father himself had said that was the correct place so that no one thought I created a fake church to steal peoples' money or anything nuts like that. I believe the post is acceptable now.