GUILTY IL - Willow Long, 7, Watson, 8 Sept 2013 - #2

[Isabelle]

I can totally see this. What I can't understand is where is the blood? If this little girl was hurt on her head or in her neck there would be a lot of blood, even for such a tiny girl. She would bleed profusely. If this happened on the property, there would have been crime scene tape up way before early today. This scenario would not have been a closed head injury, if this did happen, the poor little girl's blood would be everywhere. Including on the clothing of the person "helping" her.

MOO

Agree, considering her grandfather pointing to an area under the jaw near the neck as where the stick went in. Lots of major vessels in the area.

 

[margarita25]

How long before volunteers that found her start talking?

Not long. Its only a matter of time before Nancy Grace will let us know how brutal it was, I'm sure.

 

[longtallcold]

IMO if you see someone dying and in so much pain you are going to put em outta their misery - there must be a ton of blood - otherwise, what is it? A big bruise? A puncture with no blood?

 

[margarita25]

Willow's case is a mixture of many cases to me, Jessica Ridgeway meets Caylee Anthony meets Dylan Redwine.

 

[LucyOso]

I can totally see this. What I can't understand is where is the blood? If this little girl was hurt on her head or in her neck there would be a lot of blood, even for such a tiny girl. She would bleed profusely. If this happened on the property, there would have been crime scene tape up way before early today. This scenario would not have been a closed head injury, if this did happen, the poor little girl's blood would be everywhere. Including on the clothing of the person "helping" her.

MOO

I agree, there would be a lot of blood. Someone just posted about photos on the news of LE searching by the wood stack. We know nothing about the condition of the shirt found (if relevant), either. If the injury occurred outside, blood could easily flow into the soil and not appear blood. More like dark areas. I am not sure if they had cadaver dogs or what at the house. But, originally, they were searching off the property. The thing is, if he tried to wash the area with a hose, it would not appear like blood to the naked eye at all. It is possible this was overlooked at first.

 

[longtallcold]

I still want to know how grandpa came upon this scenario...did he say that son told him?

 

[margarita25]

IMO if you see someone dying and in so much pain you are going to put em outta their misery - there must be a ton of blood - otherwise, what is it? A big bruise? A puncture with no blood?

I wonder if there are fingerprints or his dna on the stick.

 

[Pensfan]

And, since Gpa wasn't in town, he's going by what son told him. We'll know when we know. I can tell you with the Alanna Gallagher case, we STILL don't know COD so we'll have to see. If he pleads, we may not know.

IMO, grandpa's story about the stick reveals the COD. My guess is that Willow died of blunt force trauma to the head from being beaten with a board or stick. One blow may have sent a piece of wood through her skull, hence the stick impalement story.

 

[No Stone Unturned]

Was anything Ciara DeRyke said true???

She (CR) told authorities that she came back downstairs around 10:45 a.m. to check on her children, but Willow was gone. The 3-year-old daughter, the mother said, communicated that Willow left through the front door.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/sep/10/officials-say-uncle-slain-7-year-old-girl-facing-m/

Justin DeRyke, 22, was arrested at approximately 5:55 a.m. Tuesday.

He, along with Willow and her mother, Ciara DeRyke, 25, and Willow’s half-brother, N., 3, live in a single-story residence with DeRyke’s parents in the southwest section of Watson.

http://shelbycountynews.net

 

[ClaireNC]

http://www.illinoishomepage.net/sto...s-in-her-death/d/story/2g-izRVgqkOTslOxmBWMJw


The grandpa says it now on their site... With approximately 55 seconds left on the clip. (It counts down, not up, so that is time REMAINING)

I live on a farm. Watching that video and hearing her "grandpa" say those words, I feel I lost a little bit of my belief in humanity. If not humanity overall...at least our society.

 

[margarita25]

IMO, grandpa's story about the stick reveals the COD. My guess is that Willow died of blunt force trauma to the head from being beaten with a board or stick. One blow may have sent a piece of wood through her skull, hence the stick impalement story.

Or he was holding the stick to her throat as a knife?

 

[graush26]

So, if this was occurring inside, the location would have to shift to outside (do we know that the outside pile is the exact location of where he killed her (I'm guessing so), or did he go outside, then bring a stick back inside? <still getting caught up>

I don't believe the outside part, the sticks, or anything of that story. I translate what he was saying is that she fell and bumped her head on a stick. Basically tripping on a stick and hitting her head hard enough to cause death. I say the head trauma was cause by uncle by an awkward fall by being thrown or pushed. Like shaken baby for 7 years olds. No story will convince me that panic takes a loving uncle to leave his 7 year old niece into the wood to be discovered by strangers looking for a missing child. Did he really think he would get away with this? Like most crimes, some things you can control and some you can't. Working backwards after the crime of impulse usually makes the story appear very unlikely

 

[LucyOso]

I read that more charges for JD are pending, including kidnapping. Anyone see any MSM accounts of this? And, again, new to posting so sorry if I'm not allowed to post such things.

Failure to seek medical care resulting in death. Obstruction of Justice. Abuse of a cadaver (dumping). :twocents:

 

[Irisha]

JD was watching the kids Sat night when it happened. She was running around the house and tripped on a stick. Grandfather has brush and sticks outside.

Ooookaaay. What happened about mom feeding them breakfast on Sunday morning ?

Why was she running around outside without her glasses? I heard on some HLN show, she couldn't see without them and they were found in the house.JMO

 

[FrayedKnot]

Only after self editing! I didn't want to get booted- I'm stuck on the couch with back pain, so I've got nothing else to do other than read every single thread here. Ha! :blushing:

I sat on my hands all of yesterday regarding Uncle Justin. I tried so hard to be good because I didn't want a vacay, but sometimes it is what it is.

And , frankly, I'm not done hand-sittin'. Waiting to see what tomorrow brings. :facepalm:

 

[Karmady]

I can totally see this. What I can't understand is where is the blood? If this little girl was hurt on her head or in her neck there would be a lot of blood, even for such a tiny girl. She would bleed profusely. If this happened on the property, there would have been crime scene tape up way before early today. This scenario would not have been a closed head injury, if this did happen, the poor little girl's blood would be everywhere. Including on the clothing of the person "helping" her.

MOO

IANAD, but I'm not sure it's true that impalement injuries bleed profusely-- at least externally. jmo

 

[ohiomom73]

Or he was holding the stick to her throat as a knife?

Or rather there was no "stick" but the story serves as a good cover-up for what most likely did happen to her throat.

Gpa is just relaying what sounds like a plausible story when he is pretty much grasping at straws to make sense of this horrific tragedy.

But, yeah. I don't believe any of that stick pile, "accident" nonsense for one second. Sadly.

 

[LucyOso]

IMO if you see someone dying and in so much pain you are going to put em outta their misery - there must be a ton of blood - otherwise, what is it? A big bruise? A puncture with no blood?

Imagine she is impaled. On the outside there is small amounts of blood because the stick is actually acting like a cork on the outside. But, due to the nature of the neck and injuries blood is pooling in her throat, so she can't breathe. People instinctively want to yank out anything impaling them. They also get really panicked when they can't breathe. It can be terrifying to watch someone struggle like this and not know what to do. In context, "putting her out of her misery", could be a statement made using hindsight. If he panicked and made a error in pulling the stick out thinking it would actually help, she could have bleed to death rapidly. In hindsight, for lack of better words from grandpa, this could be seen as his actions did in fact "put her out of her misery". It really could have been unintentional way meant to help but did result in her death. Then he made a series of really bad choices. Snowball.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

BBM: I thought this same, but.... I just don't see this as a game of chase that ended outside, at night, in a pile of sticks, that had no crime scene.

Not making sense to me.

Unless it wasn't a game...

but she was being chased...

:no:

Just an idea...

 

[Kamille]

The only scenario I see as being plausible is that Ciara did sleep in on Sunday morning and did not see the children at all until she woke up around 10ish and discovered that Willow was missing. The story of the cereal and pop tarts as well as the sitting the children down in front of the television to watch a movie could have been told to her by her brother, as in this is what he told her he did. So perhaps she did lie to LE about the events of that morning by substituting herself as the person who did these things so as not to appear to be a bad or neglectful mother.

And when push came to shove during questioning on Monday evening after discovering Willow's body, she may have been offered immunity to tell the truth about Sunday morning and whether she really did see Willow? So perhaps that's why there was no obstruction charge on her? She had used her brother's lies to her as her own telling of what happened that morning and substituted herself in there?

I really am having a hard time figuring out this Saturday night vs Sunday morning "accident" scenario and what LE claim Ciara told them about Sunday morning.

MOO