Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #4 *Arrest*

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  • #781
This case becomes problematic if any of the evidence like the confession is thrown out. Even with confession, it may be hard to prove murder. Think of it from the perspective of a juror. I think possibly a juror with his demographic profile could say, "Yeah he probably did it, but is there a 1% chance he let her out her or more likely he got her in the car for nefarious purposes and there was an accident or he gave her a drug and she reacted bad, yeah, there's a one percent chance." Indeed, the scenario I pose- he wanted to kidnap a girl for his plaything, he gave her a drug and she reacted bad and she died "accidentally" - someone could think there's a 1% chance of that happening. He would be convicted of other things but not murder. Or a story that she got in the car, he had no nefarious intentions but she thought he did, she panicked, started thrashing around and a "fight" broke out where she hit her head. Some juror could think that could have happened. It's possible that even in that scenario he could be convicted of felony murder - which often has similar penalties to first degree - but you would have to prove a first order felony first. Felony murder may be easier to prove here than first degree.

We don't believe these stories because we know so much about him, but would a juror hearing this from the first time seeing such an intelligent, not bad looking married guy (maybe they will even play up the churchgoing angle) with a crying sympathy family/wife buy that angle? I think there's a chance. Indeed, whether he is able to mount such a defense may very well depend on how supportive his family/friends are at trial. If he does not have alot of supporters, that would be telling whereas if he did - painting a sympathetic picture of the law-abiding, church-going good husband - yeah, that could be compelling to a juror. Especially if they throw out the fetlife stuff or argue that stuff was not him, he could get off on less than murder charges.

I don't think this case is at all problematic, even if they weren't able to admit the voice recordings into evidence. She was seen entering his car, then she was never seen again. First he denied she was in his car, then he changed his story. There is probably physical evidence and even if all they had was the footage of her entering the car and the changing story to the obvious BS about her getting out of the car because she was spooked by a wrong turn, I still think they would have a pretty good chance. We don't know what else they have, and I'd be willing to bet that there is a lot more. It doesn't have to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, just beyond a reasonable doubt. People have been convicted on less.
 
  • #782
Good analysis. If YY is never recovered, though, would a jury actually believe that BC could be innocent of murder? What other reasonable possibilities are there explaining that?

If she's never found, he could argue he met her, propositioned her and she agreed - then something went wrong by accident later on. Or he could argue she got in the car, never agreed to kinky stuff but there was neverthless some sort of accident and he panicked. Her "panic" comment may be setting himself up for this defense - he would argue he had no idea if had preexisting medical problems -he could argue he thought she was in medical distress, she got in the car and continued to be in medical distress, then he let her out. Or he could argue she was upset, she got in car, talked about how she does not like life in America, wants to go back, feels such extreme pressure, had a panic attack, then he let her out, setting the stage for saying she ran away or was suidetal.

Of course, none of that seems reasonable to me and you could have to believe the word of an admitted lyer over anything there is in evidence. But would a single juror think that that situation is possible? Let me just say that if they don't find the body, if he has a good defense lawyer there are arguments he could make.

Look at the conspiracy theories people believe in politics - you would not think most reasonable people would believe them but they do. Moreover, as we have seen with this past election, some people will believe bad things about foreigners and just don't like people who are foreigners - if that angle is played up and there are people like that on the jury, he could have a decent shot.
 
  • #783
<modsnip>

Reminded me of this (not sure if anyone posted it):
A 2005 video of BC and classmates interrupting a German class. <modsnip> BC was the one with long hair.

[video=youtube;7MLT5xZYVkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLT5xZYVkM&amp;feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
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  • #785
Reminded me of this (not sure if anyone posted it):
A 2005 video of BC and classmates interrupting a German class. <modsnip> BC was the one with long hair.

[video=youtube;7MLT5xZYVkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLT5xZYVkM&amp;feature=youtu.be[/video]

Creepy smile at the end.
 
  • #786
Couple more questions for the legal eagles:


1) Are the audiotapes the police have thus far referenced definitely admissible in court, or will the defense dispute their admissibility?
2) Is it most likely the defense will ask for a change-of-venue for the trial and if so how far away might they go? &#8230;seems like all of central Illinois will have been saturated with news of this crime.

...and I'm still hoping someone can translate (from Spanish) whatever is happening toward the end of the Uzumaki YouTube story posted earlier.
And thanks to those who let me know they DID see this story on national news earlier on... I missed it, 'til I ran across it on the Web.

 
  • #787
Reminded me of this (not sure if anyone posted it):
A 2005 video of BC and classmates interrupting a German class. <modsnip> BC was the one with long hair.

[video=youtube;7MLT5xZYVkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLT5xZYVkM&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Wow, he looks so harmless to me. Like a total dork, but a harmless dork.
 
  • #788
I understand it differently. As I understand, the recording was made at the vigil, where he and the unnamed woman were together. He was heard/recorded there, revealing incriminating details and threatening her.

The FBI knows who she is, the media is unclear. Jmo.


I've presumed that the unnamed woman was the person to whom he was speaking when he made the comments about the perfect victim, but do we know for sure that it was to that same person that he made the threats? I hope it was someone else so that there are two sets of incriminating statements.
 
  • #789
I've presumed that the unnamed woman was the person to whom he was speaking when he made the comments about the perfect victim, but do we know for sure that it was to that same person that he made the threats? I hope it was someone else so that there are two sets of incriminating statements.

We don't know for sure. Unfortunately, we're stuck with the phrasing of media sources to form our opinions. To me, the statements imply the details and threat were aimed at a single person.

Investigators later obtained audiotapes made while Christensen was under surveillance. In the tapes, he allegedly discussed how he had kidnapped Zhang and brought her back to his apartment. Federal prosecutors also said Christensen was caught on tape describing how Zhang resisted and fought back against Christensen during the abduction, and threatening someone close to the case to whom he'd made incriminating statements.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...t-christensen-profile-met-20170707-story.html

The wording varies from article to article, but imo it's one person, the person at the march.
 
  • #790
I realize I'm a little late following this case, but why would she have gotten in to the car with a stranger in the first place? I wonder if she hadn't met him previously at the University. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense to me. I guess at this point we don't know though. I feel so bad for her dear family. Bless their dear sweet hearts. :cry:
NEESAKI Maybe she got in the car after he said, "Look me up on the internet....I am a professor here."
(Of course I am just thinking out loud, but still have never fallen for the PR spin...making it seem as if he took only 2 classes in an entire year. Guess he could have completed the 2 non-physics related courses, to get his masters.) Nobody wants to acknowledge he may still have been teaching classes Fall 2016 and Spring
2017.

https://www.coursicle.com/illinois/professors/Brendt+Christensen/
If one were to listen to (IMO) "misleading interview" it implied that BC only attended UIUC for 2 classes and got his Masters & did not have anything to do with Physics Dept or the Loomis Bldg. And the original interview said, "the other students have not seen him for a few weeks." (IE that is a noticeable change worth reporting. you'd think?) The reason it bothers me, is because those are factors the FBI might be interested in knowing in determining how, when, where, why and by whom she was kidnapped.
 
  • #791
Reminded me of this (not sure if anyone posted it):
A 2005 video of BC and classmates interrupting a German class. <modsnip> BC was the one with long hair.

[video=youtube;7MLT5xZYVkM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLT5xZYVkM&amp;feature=youtu.be[/video]
Geez, he looks like my old boyfriend with his hair like this. Gave me a start. Otherwise looks like a normal teenager to me.

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  • #792
This article makes me believe that he may have blabbed to two people:

"According to statements made by the government during today’s hearing, the government alleges that Christensen attended and walked in a vigil for the victim on June 29; has made statements about the characteristics of the ideal victim; that the victim fought and resisted; and, that he made a threat to another person to whom he made incriminating statements."

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/gma/u...due-court-160616909--abc-news-topstories.html

I don't think they would mention "another" in that context unless there were two of them? Also, I would imagine anything overheard in public is fair game with or without an attorney present.
 
  • #793
Planning your class schedule? USE COURSICLE
coursicle.jpg
I don't want anyone to think she just got in a car with JUST ANY STRANGER. BC had everything with him/or about him
that made him seem extremely legitimate. Hindsight is 20/20... now we see it...and it is horrible.
He deceived so many. The sin is his, and his alone.
 
  • #794
Does anyone know if at the next hearing, June 14, whether we can expect to hear new information/evidence against BC or forensics that tie ZYY to BC?
 
  • #795
Deleted due to re reading and understanding
 
  • #796
Wow, he looks so harmless to me. Like a total dork, but a harmless dork.

Exactly. It's easy to look back on images of him knowing what we know now and see things in him. But really I think he must have come across as a normal guy. He was a popular teacher by all accounts and was able to have normal relationships. I don't see anything at all sus about him in that video.


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  • #797
LE makes it clear, in the complaint filed against BC, that they believe Yingying is no longer alive. They base that belief, according to the complaint, on the audio recorded while he was under surveillance where he stated that he kidnapped her, took her back to his apartment, and otherwise held her there against her will. They then follow up by stating that as of June 30, she remains missing, and state that "based on this, and other facts uncovered during the investigation of this matter, law enforcement does not believe that YZ is still alive". I am very curious as to what the 'other facts uncovered' consist of. Although BC initially lied to LE about having picked Yingying up, when they initially spoke with him, and then changed his story on a follow-up interview, they obviously do believe that he was being truthful when he was recorded speaking to someone else. Was it because he spoke specifically of things he had done that they could verify or corroborate, based on evidence they seized? Was it, as I really believe, because they found video or photographic evidence on his seized phone? Was it because of evidence found, or seemingly destroyed, in his car or apartment? I don't imagine there was a large pool of blood found in his apartment, or it would most likely still be sealed by crime tape, and we have heard no one state that it is. Also, with arms the size of his, and being so much bigger than Yingying, without getting graphic, I think he could easily kill her without it being a bloodbath. Was it because of his digital footprint? I see that as possibly strong circumstantial evidence supporting other evidence, but dont see it, in and of itself, being something LE would use to say they believe she is dead. Curious as to what others feel the 'other facts uncovered' may be.
 
  • #798
Exactly. It's easy to look back on images of him knowing what we know now and see things in him. But really I think he must have come across as a normal guy. He was a popular teacher by all accounts and was able to have normal relationships. I don't see anything at all sus about him in that video.


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Good. I dont want his lawyers pulling out the mental illness card. He is a sociopath, but he knew exactly what he was doing. It was all planned and executed the way he planned it.
 
  • #799
I work at the apartment complex YY was on her way to. I can tell you the LE did not ask for our camera footage until after the car was impounded. And while the specific area they were looking to was not covered very well, they did not want any of the footage. It almost seemed as though they had what they already needed....imo
 
  • #800
Good. I dont want his lawyers pulling out the mental illness card. He is a sociopath, but he knew exactly what he was doing. It was all planned and executed the way he planned it.

I think they would have a hard time of that, since by denying that she came to his apartment he has shown that he knows what he did is not legal/wrong. And he is capable of participating in his defense.
 
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