GUILTY IL - Zachary Irvin, 22, found dismembered, East St Louis, 20 June 2010

[lorik200]

ruebyn on the wall might be pierson also

 

[Belinda]

lorik200 - Thanks for all the great input! You really have your finger on the pulse of this case. I really appreciate you taking the time to post your knowledge here. I have been so deeply disturbed by what was done to Zach. I hope Iagulli and Pierson will pay dearly for what they have done. We can safely assume they will spend the rest of their lives in prison, yet I'm sure that is little solace for Zach's family.

 

[Missizzy]

I guess I'm confused Lila. I was looking at Brother James MS page which only contained a single shot of "J" as well as one of him in a vehicle (but unseen). I was comparing that photo to the mug shot of Pierson and found a great similarity. I've seen the MS page you linked to but hadn't looked at the photos. Yes, this is Brother James's son. Are you saying that this is NOT the James Pierson who has been arrested. This photo seems remarkably like the mugshot:


There are others but they have children in them. I hope I'm totally all wet. My heart goes out to a man who shares a name and similar physical description as a killer. It's disturbing as there is the overtone of ghoulishness and a such a remarkable likeness. JMO

Lorik--I also appreciate all your input. I agree with Belinda that our focus here is in looking at possible connections the killers had in the past and whether they might have linked up to commit other crimes similar to Zachary's sad death. So many men who have committed vicious crimes like this have done it as partners and have repeated their crimes numerous times.

I'm pleased that you brought up the pentagram as that confused us too. You are correct, it most definitely is aligned in a Wiccan fashion--not a satanic one. Possibly, though, someone wasn't clear as to how to draw it or it's possible that someone drew it in the past who's Wiccan. What is your thought on the word Ruebyn? Is that a name that Pierson used? And have you ever been told how many people were present? I would think they would be reeling from the trauma.

I agree with you that most likely Iagulli hasn't committed murder in that particular warehouse but it's freaky to think that they stalked Zachary and planned this out. I hope that is taken into consideration when it comes time for sentencing. It breaks my heart to hear that Zachary's blood was found. I have to hold on to the hope that his spirit had already passed.

I keep going back to the 11th Tenet of the Church of Satan which says:

"If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

Is this what these two monsters were attempting to do, in your opinion?

 

[lorik200]

I guess I'm confused Lila. I was looking at Brother James MS page which only contained a single shot of "J" as well as one of him in a vehicle (but unseen). I was comparing that photo to the mug shot of Pierson and found a great similarity. I've seen the MS page you linked to but hadn't looked at the photos. Yes, this is Brother James's son. Are you saying that this is NOT the James Pierson who has been arrested. This photo seems remarkably like the mugshot:

http://www.myspace.com/jpierson7/photos/13760647

There are others but they have children in them. I hope I'm totally all wet. My heart goes out to a man who shares a name and similar physical description as a killer. It's disturbing as there is the overtone of ghoulishness and a such a remarkable likeness. JMO

Lorik--I also appreciate all your input. I agree with Belinda that our focus here is in looking at possible connections the killers had in the past and whether they might have linked up to commit other crimes similar to Zachary's sad death. So many men who have committed vicious crimes like this have done it as partners and have repeated their crimes numerous times.

I'm pleased that you brought up the pentagram as that confused us too. You are correct, it most definitely is aligned in a Wiccan fashion--not a satanic one. Possibly, though, someone wasn't clear as to how to draw it or it's possible that someone drew it in the past who's Wiccan. What is your thought on the word Ruebyn? Is that a name that Pierson used? And have you ever been told how many people were present? I would think they would be reeling from the trauma.

I agree with you that most likely Iagulli hasn't committed murder in that particular warehouse but it's freaky to think that they stalked Zachary and planned this out. I hope that is taken into consideration when it comes time for sentencing. It breaks my heart to hear that Zachary's blood was found. I have to hold on to the hope that his spirit had already passed.

I keep going back to the 11th Tenet of the Church of Satan which says:

"If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

Is this what these two monsters were attempting to do, in your opinion?

its odd that you type in Iagulli and can find lots on his satan worship'n dark family right to a murder his father did- but pierson is almost clean- been around at least since 6-17 2007 when his improper entry charge happened- he wasnt at tucker tunnel but was he at rice's- I think judg'n by the same red paint used on the wall the wiccan pent and the Iagulli ohio was prob. written at the same time and also all other things written on the walls in there- I think Ruebyn is a person- not the witch's brew/ herb not the witch's bin - there is also a pentagram to the left of the stairway in blue or black paint also wiccan I see Louis for st. louis but cant make out what is next to that pentagram can you? http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=208606
also you can see 2 rooms in this video- and I think these were just 2 of their rooms and not the torture rooms- I think the others living in that warehouse just kept to their end of it and stayed away from those 2 and their part of the warehouse- that place was so bad the homeles helpers wouldnt hand out there for the fighting and stealing going on but the deamons had all kinds of tools and a gun that they could leave there without them getting stolen on bothered- tells me the others were afraid of them

 

[Missizzy]

lorik--I'm curious if you've ever found the details of Iagulli's father's charges. I've only found some of them. It sounds as if he flipped on someone for immunity. Do you know any of the details? I've also read that Dennis was present at the murder and would have been quite young. I'd be very interested if you could link to some of the stories you've read if they are available on the web.

Also, and I know this can border on being disrespectful of someone totally not related to the crime but I cannot get over the "oddness" of Brother James's son, also a James Pierson. He states that he's an undertaker and yet has a fierce anger within him. There's much on the page that is ghoulish and frightening. He looks so similar to the mug shot and even the physical description is similar. The age is correct, except for the fact that the James on MS says his sign is Capricorn. Pierson, the killer's, birthday is in July. Twice before, though, I've seen satanists state that their "sign is of Capricorn, what else?". Of course, the animal which represents Capricorn is a goat. This man might be the nicest guy in the world but his blogs are truly frightening and he seems to gain a lot of pleasure in the horror of death.

 

[Belinda]

its odd that you type in Iagulli and can find lots on his satan worship'n dark family right to a murder his father did- but pierson is almost clean- been around at least since 6-17 2007 when his improper entry charge happened- he wasnt at tucker tunnel but was he at rice's- I think judg'n by the same red paint used on the wall the wiccan pent and the Iagulli ohio was prob. written at the same time and also all other things written on the walls in there- I think Ruebyn is a person- not the witch's brew/ herb not the witch's bin - there is also a pentagram to the left of the stairway in blue or black paint also wiccan I see Louis for st. louis but cant make out what is next to that pentagram can you? http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=208606
also you can see 2 rooms in this video- and I think these were just 2 of their rooms and not the torture rooms- I think the others living in that warehouse just kept to their end of it and stayed away from those 2 and their part of the warehouse- that place was so bad the homeles helpers wouldnt hand out there for the fighting and stealing going on but the deamons had all kinds of tools and a gun that they could leave there without them getting stolen on bothered- tells me the others were afraid of them

BBM - I absolutely agree. I find it impossible that there was no else present in that warehouse as it was a known camp. The only possible explanation is that they stayed away from these 2 out of fear. That is the only thing that makes sense. Great insight.

 

[lorik200]

its odd that you type in Iagulli and can find lots on his satan worship'n dark family right to a murder his father did- but pierson is almost clean- been around at least since 6-17 2007 when his improper entry charge happened- he wasnt at tucker tunnel but was he at rice's- I think judg'n by the same red paint used on the wall the wiccan pent and the Iagulli ohio was prob. written at the same time and also all other things written on the walls in there- I think Ruebyn is a person- not the witch's brew/ herb not the witch's bin - there is also a pentagram to the left of the stairway in blue or black paint also wiccan I see Louis for st. louis but cant make out what is next to that pentagram can you? http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=208606
also you can see 2 rooms in this video- and I think these were just 2 of their rooms and not the torture rooms- I think the others living in that warehouse just kept to their end of it and stayed away from those 2 and their part of the warehouse- that place was so bad the homeles helpers wouldnt hand out there for the fighting and stealing going on but the deamons had all kinds of tools and a gun that they could leave there without them getting stolen on bothered- tells me the others were afraid of them

ok Iagully was at powell square warehouse after tucker tunnel-then he disapeared so he may have met pierson at powell

 

[lilalicea]

The Jimmy is not the same person. He is 35 , Pierson is 36. This guy has a wife and kids and he works at a morgue. The only thing similar is the name. His nose is not the same either and if you compare Pierson's mug shots from the RSO to this Jimmy they are not similar either. I think you have the wrong person.

 

[Belinda]

I'm tending to think, at this point, that it isn't the same person. However, I do see a strong facial similarity, so am wondering if they are possibly relatives. When I put the pictures side by side, I see a striking similarity of features.

 

[lorik200]

I'm tending to think, at this point, that it isn't the same person. However, I do see a strong facial similarity, so am wondering if they are possibly relatives. When I put the pictures side by side, I see a striking similarity of features.

just because same name doesnt mean same person- in st clair court records there is another james e pierson who got a traffic ticket in brooklyn might be the father

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-hu...issippi-river-downtown-081510,0,6462954.story

any one hear any more on this?

 

[Belinda]

It will be interesting to see what comes of this new discovery. I did see the other James Pierson in the court records. I think the mortician may be a relative, but is not the one we seek.

Missizzy, I'm wondering if you should delete the link to his MS? If he is not the James we are seeking, we need to guard his privacy. Unless there is some way to be sure this is the right one, I think we need to err on the side of caution.

 

[Missizzy]

I agree that the mortician is most likely not the same James Pierson. I still believe he could be a relative, however. I can't edit but I will ask a mod to remove the link. Has anyone been able to find any earlier information about Pierson. He didn't just fall out of the sky.

Thank you, Lorik for posting the news story about the remains being found. Being skeletal remains means that the body had been in the water for some time, correct? If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be about 4-5 miles downriver from the warehouse.

 

[Belinda]

It's a complete leap at this point, but it would not surprise me in the least if this new body turns out to the connected to Iagulli and Pierson. I think we are all of the general opinion that this was not their first murder, so how odd that a body would turn up so close.

 

[Missizzy]

I'm still curious as to word/name Ruebyn on the wall. Any ideas, Lorik?

 

[Missizzy]

Belinda--One of the things that truly frightens me is that these two monsters most likely preyed on the most vulnerable. They probably had no idea that Zachary had such a loving and supportive family close by. If someone was homeless or chose to live on the streets and possibly estranged from their family, a missing persons report may never be made. Other serial killers have certainly sought out that victim profile.

There's a man who is suspected of numerous killings in the Independence, MO area. His 10-15 victims were vulnerable women who were found down river. They, too, were mutilated.

 

[Belinda]

I think Zach was a huge miscalculation on their part. I agree that they had no idea how many close family and friends he had. They probably thought he would never be missed. Well, they were very, very wrong. He was obviously very loved.

 

[Salem]

Hi Guys - I removed a couple of posts with links to myspaces because I can not be sure that they are the perps myspaces.

Please go back and take a look at your posts if you linked to myspace and send me an alert for any links that belong to people that have NOT been confirmed to be the perp. Also, please remember we don't link to friends or family members unless there is a clear connection to the case.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Salem

 

[lorik200]

I agree that the mortician is most likely not the same James Pierson. I still believe he could be a relative, however. I can't edit but I will ask a mod to remove the link. Has anyone been able to find any earlier information about Pierson. He didn't just fall out of the sky.

Thank you, Lorik for posting the news story about the remains being found. Being skeletal remains means that the body had been in the water for some time, correct? If I'm not mistaken, that looks to be about 4-5 miles downriver from the warehouse.

maybe it was in the water for some time - maybe not - there is big fish in that river its been over 2 months since zach- 4-5 miles down is not far in the water- when the 2 girls were made to jump off chain of rocks bridge- one was found 100 miles away the other never found- so this body was right there

 

[Missizzy]

lorik--You bring up a valid point. This body was not far away at all. The fact that it seems to have been dismembered is really distressing. I'm not seeing any new info. If you are closer to the area and see anything, please post.

While going back over the posts looking for links that should be removed for Salem, I noticed a link of yours which I must have missed. It's this one:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...01842056_100000559528075_367569_8279981_n.jpg

So, LE were specifically looking for Zachary's clothes it seems. I realize that Pierson was wearing his belt but LE wanted to locate his blue jeans, button up shirt and black wallet with ID card. I don't recall discussing this before.

Does this mean that Zachary had his clothes removed prior to the terrible things that were done to his body? I was also kind of surprised that a wallet and ID (and possibly money, phone cards or a credit card) would be left left in the warehouse. If there were others nearby, I would think that they'd have taken it. Maybe the money was taken and only the ID was left. Being that Zachary was an adult, I'd think that even the ID would be stolen for use by someone underage.

 

[lorik200]

lorik--You bring up a valid point. This body was not far away at all. The fact that it seems to have been dismembered is really distressing. I'm not seeing any new info. If you are closer to the area and see anything, please post.

While going back over the posts looking for links that should be removed for Salem, I noticed a link of yours which I must have missed. It's this one:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...01842056_100000559528075_367569_8279981_n.jpg

So, LE were specifically looking for Zachary's clothes it seems. I realize that Pierson was wearing his belt but LE wanted to locate his blue jeans, button up shirt and black wallet with ID card. I don't recall discussing this before.

Does this mean that Zachary had his clothes removed prior to the terrible things that were done to his body? I was also kind of surprised that a wallet and ID (and possibly money, phone cards or a credit card) would be left left in the warehouse. If there were others nearby, I would think that they'd have taken it. Maybe the money was taken and only the ID was left. Being that Zachary was an adult, I'd think that even the ID would be stolen for use by someone underage.

clothes removed before or during...? and again they could just leave the wallet and id and no one else in there took it- again they stayed out of those two's end of that place or rooms in that place- seems they kind of ruled it