I'm so angry part 2

[dakini]

Another gem from the masters of Republican spin - Fox News.
I'll wait and see what other MSM outlets report on this one. Rupert and his merry band have been known to um "slant" things in a pro Admin way in the past. This sounds like pure "Spin" to me - the Gov and the Mayor were on TV daily BEGGING for help while unknown to THEM their own LA Dept of Homeland Security was rejecting aid? Hmmm - sure seems illogical to me? Maybe FEDERAL Homeland Security (run by Brown's Boss Chertoff) maybe, but STATE Homeland Security? Do they trump the Gov of the State? Are they within her control or do they report to Chertoff? The water in NO isn't the only thing that smells here.

You rock Cynder.

 

[less0305]

Fox news just had a Red Cross spokesman on, who confirmed something I've been hearing for a couple of days. Remember how Gov. Blanco said the Red Cross was kept from entering New Orleans because of the thugs with AK47's?
Well, the Red Cross person says they were prevented from entering by the STATE HOMELAND SECURITY department. Why???? Because if food and water were delivered to the people in the superdome, they would stay there, and the state wanted them to leave New Orleans.

People, this keeps going from bad to worse.

It was the Chairman of the Red Cross. I can't remember the title...same thing that Liddy Dole was at one time, I think. Anyway, she said they were positioned and ready to go, but the State officials wouldn't let them go in because it would encourage people to stay. I heard it too.

 

[marrigotti]

Another gem from the masters of Republican spin - Fox News.
I'll wait and see what other MSM outlets report on this one. Rupert and his merry band have been known to um "slant" things in a pro Admin way in the past. This sounds like pure "Spin" to me - the Gov and the Mayor were on TV daily BEGGING for help while unknown to THEM their own LA Dept of Homeland Security was rejecting aid? Hmmm - sure seems illogical to me? Maybe FEDERAL Homeland Security (run by Brown's Boss Chertoff) maybe, but STATE Homeland Security? Do they trump the Gov of the State? Are they within her control or do they report to Chertoff? The water in NO isn't the only thing that smells here.

I am not sure that I am following you. Are you implying that the Red Cross spokesman is not being honest?

 

[less0305]

This fact is why I started the original "I am so angry" thread.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28612

My 1st post on it was the link to the Red Cross Page saying exactly that.

am so angry that Homeland Security blocked the Red Cross from feeding people, delivering medicine and food to Hospitals and setting up any form of relief within New Orleans to sustain life untill evacuations could be organized. Since when is the Red Cross not allowed to enter a disaster area to offer life saving services?

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,...24,00.html#4524

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?


Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

Wow, Tybee.....we've come full circle!

 

[marrigotti]

So, it looks like it was State, not federal action, that blocked aid.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

I just read over in another forum that Barbara Bush said that since the survivors were already so poor, they are doing pretty well in the Astrodome. Does anyone know if this is true, if she really said that?

Yes she did say that which makes me wonder if she has the beginnings of dementia. She is usually such a gracious person, then again maybe she is just out of touch with reality in her ivory tower...so many are. Or maybe she spoke before she thought....

 

[bulletgirl2002]

Me either. And if I were in the City or local gov't as a leader (any of them, not just the Mayor -who is the City's Emergency Operations Planner or ?, by the way, where has he/she been?)...I think those pictures of those 216 +/- buses flooded in that lot, would and should bring me nightmares for many, many years to come. AND THEY HAD DAYS OF ADVANCE WARNING!!! It's not like an earthquake situation. :doh:

Gee, we have a wonderful emergency manager (I am hoping). Don't you guys participate in mock drills. I know we do....and then the results are reported on the news. We have all sorts of scenerios such as what if no electricity to pump the gas etc.

 

[cynder]

But WHO does the state Homeland Security Dept REPORT TO???
Because if they are under the control of the FEDERAL HOMELAND SECURITY DEPT then it wasn't exactly the STATE who denied them access.
I know what the Red Cross said, what I am not so sure about is who made this decision. I am also not sure that the Red Cross was willing to go to the Superdome or the Convention Center without benefit of police/military protection.
I am researching now to get the facts on this.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

I posted early on that my sister ,who is an expert in disaster relief, said it is up to the city and state officials to provide first line defense for it's citizens,with a goal of 72 hours. Set up it's citizens with pre-planning to hold down the fort til the big guns arrive. In this case, it just seems they ran for cover leaving evryne to wait for FEMA and/or fend for themselves. Worst of it being, the local govt knew exactly what would happen to these people!
The argument that the president should have overidden that mayor is an interesting one. Interesting, because they only way the President will do that is based on information he is given. That information is supplied to him by the GOVERNOR!

The thing is, I can't expect GW to know about my neighborhood. I DO expect my mayor and my governor to know and if Thurmond Dam is about to break and I have forewarning, my tail is outta here and the mayor and governor needs to be evacuating everyone that can't take care of themselves.

 

[JBean]

The thing is, I can't expect GW to know about my neighborhood. I DO expect my mayor and my governor to know and if Thurmond Dam is about to break and I have forewarning, my tail is outta here and the mayor and governor needs to be evacuating everyone that can't take care of themselves.

exactly

 

[less0305]

But WHO does the state Homeland Security Dept REPORT TO???
Because if they are under the control of the FEDERAL HOMELAND SECURITY DEPT then it wasn't exactly the STATE who denied them access.
I know what the Red Cross said, what I am not so sure about is who made this decision. I am also not sure that the Red Cross was willing to go to the Superdome or the Convention Center without benefit of police/military protection.
I am researching now to get the facts on this.

Cynder, I'm not entirely sure on this, but I think each state appoints a Homeland Security commission (for lack of a better word) much like mental health or welfare or whatever and it's run by each state. I'd have to do more research on that tho. I am under the impression (and I may be wrong) that it's sort of like that and the head of each state's homeland security team reports to the governor or his/her designee. That's a good thing to research and I love to research, so I'll attempt to do a little looking around - while I'm keeping up with reading the posts.

 

[kgeaux]

This fact is why I started the original "I am so angry" thread.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28612

My 1st post on it was the link to the Red Cross Page saying exactly that.

am so angry that Homeland Security blocked the Red Cross from feeding people, delivering medicine and food to Hospitals and setting up any form of relief within New Orleans to sustain life untill evacuations could be organized. Since when is the Red Cross not allowed to enter a disaster area to offer life saving services?

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,...24,00.html#4524

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?


Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

Tybee, how did I miss that? I must've been in a daze when I read your link. Looks like I am a few days late with the news, huh? I have heard this bandied about town, but I wasn't sure if it was accurate info or not--then the Red Cross Spokeperson confirms it. I cannot believe this......



editing to add: Can anyone confirm if State Homeland Security answers to the governor? Did they do this under her orders? (that is certainly what has been said here in Lafayette)

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

On Fox, Lt. Cowan (Retired)....

Says he's been told the Guard is under a GAG order in reference to the timeline of the Guard's deployment, etc.

Hasn't said yet WHO has issued the gag order, but OMG. Like this info won't come out????

Also, Judge Napolitano (I don't like him, usually, IMO)...just said neither the Feds nor the State can direct evacuation of you out of your own house. They can demand you get out of public areas such as streets, parking lots, commercial areas.

Waiting to hear more...

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Yes she did say that which makes me wonder if she has the beginnings of dementia. She is usually such a gracious person, then again maybe she is just out of touch with reality in her ivory tower...so many are. Or maybe she spoke before she thought....

It could be both, her age and the lack of thought before speaking as she has always been so out-spoken which so many thought refreshing way back.

I had hoped she meant her comments in a positive way as I've heard reporters there saying it over and over that many inside were living better than they were before being brought there.

 

[kgeaux]

On Fox, Lt. Cowan (Retired)....

Says he's been told the Guard is under a GAG order in reference to the timeline of the Guard's deployment, etc.

Hasn't said yet WHO has issued the gag order, but OMG. Like this info won't come out????

Waiting to hear more...

Good gravy! No way to cover something like this up!! Just when I think I've heard the worst....

 

[JBean]

Cynder, I'm not entirely sure on this, but I think each state appoints a Homeland Security commission (for lack of a better word) much like mental health or welfare or whatever and it's run by each state. I'd have to do more research on that tho. I am under the impression (and I may be wrong) that it's sort of like that and the head of each state's homeland security team reports to the governor or his/her designee. That's a good thing to research and I love to research, so I'll attempt to do a little looking around - while I'm keeping up with reading the posts.

this is called the "State name" Emergency Management

 

[less0305]

It could be both, her age and the lack of thought before speaking as she has always been so out-spoken which so many thought refreshing way back.

I had hoped she meant her comments in a positive way as I've heard reporters there saying it over and over that many inside were living better than they were before being brought there.

There was a pretty good discussion on this topic in that "Would this have happened anywhere other than N.O." or whatever it's called.

 

[Liz]

It was the Chairman of the Red Cross. I can't remember the title...same thing that Liddy Dole was at one time, I think. Anyway, she said they were positioned and ready to go, but the State officials wouldn't let them go in because it would encourage people to stay. I heard it too.

Last night I herd the exact same thing (the reason Tybee started this thread) and it came directly from the mouth of the President of the Red Cross, Marty Evans.

To clarify, it was the "State" Homeland Security that prevented Red Cross from going in in NO.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Tybee, how did I miss that? I must've been in a daze when I read your link. Looks like I am a few days late with the news, huh? I have heard this bandied about town, but I wasn't sure if it was accurate info or not--then the Red Cross Spokeperson confirms it. I cannot believe this......



editing to add: Can anyone confirm if State Homeland Security answers to the governor? Did they do this under her orders? (that is certainly what has been said here in Lafayette)

Kgeaux, I'm very happy you mentioned it again, because I've either forgotten or missed the part about it being the STATE Homeland Security not allowing them in... eagerly waiting to hear what y'all are going to find out about who the State Homeland Security reports to....

As each passing day goes by, more and more stuff sure is coming out....

 

[Mabel]

Yes she did say that which makes me wonder if she has the beginnings of dementia. She is usually such a gracious person, then again maybe she is just out of touch with reality in her ivory tower...so many are. Or maybe she spoke before she thought....

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719