Immigrants plan boycott,no work,shopping or school on may 1st

[Becba]

Why are they calling them Immigrants? They are Illegal Aliens.

Let them walk off the job and keep walking all the way back to where they illegally came from.

 

[Details]

They're breaking in without our permission, and taking things that are not theirs (like medical care, free schools, and jobs) - just call them invaders. It's not a friendly thing to break in to a country without permission and try to stay - just ask the Mexicans about how they feel about it, when it's poor Panamanians or other South American residents trying to live in Mexico! They don't like it either, and they're a ton less sympathetic than we are towards their illegal problem.

 

[shopper]

I don't think children of illegal immigrants should be automatic US citizens - but even if they are (can't retroactively change the law, but I really want to see that law changed for the future), that doesn't make them somehow special and immune or unable to live where their parents lived and were brought up.

Yep, it'll be sad for them to leave their friends and the home they've been raised in - but that's not really a problem we created, it's a problem their parents created! It's sad when you imprison a child's parents too, and they have to go off to a home - but it doesn't mean that a criminal who is a parent gets off for sake of their child - right? You watch Cops, you see it all the time, the poor kid torn apart because their mommy or daddy, possibly only parent is being taken to jail (much worse than just having to move) - but that's something the parent created by breaking the law - the cops aren't at fault!

The issue does have some complexities, but some of them are false. A lot of those jobs 'Americans just won't do' will turn out to be jobs that Americans are fine with doing, at minimum wage, with reasonable, legal safety laws enforced (one reason some employers don't employ citizens - not so much for wages, as for safety costs). Not to mention the illegals who are doing more valued jobs that pay well - taking those jobs away from citizens who need them. Until the laws are enforced, until we really try to make this work, we won't know what parts of the need for outside labor (as properly protected guest workers - not citizens) are real, and what parts are manufactured by businesses that just want to increase their profit margin.

I agree. This is a problem that has to be solved with ALL Americans: consumers, gov't, people who hire contractors, etc. If Americans would refuse to do business with those that hire illegals, be willing to pay a few cents more for goods/products, it may show those business owners that they don't "have" to hire illegals. Then they would have enough profit to maybe hire Americans at a livable wage. I admit I'm not going to go bust my azz for 40 hours a week and not even make enough to pay the bills and a few niceties.

I already boycott Walmart, I'd rather not shop there for several reasons, and if it means I pay a little more elsewhere, so be it.

As far as the children born here having to go back to Mexico with their families, I don't see it as "kicking" out American citizens, I see it as letting their parents raise them in their native homeland. Not gonna get all bleeding heart and PC about it. (Not saying this at you, just added it here).

 

[Details]

This is really good - what would happen if we really do have a day without an Illegal immigrant: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/01/opinion/main1564515.shtml

But if illegal aliens all took the day off and were truly invisible for one day...

Hospital emergency rooms across the southwest would have about 20-percent fewer patients...

OBGYN wards in Denver would have 24-percent fewer deliveries and Los Angeles’s maternity-ward deliveries would drop by 40 percent and maternity billings to Medi-Cal would drop by 66 percent.

Youth gangs would see their membership drop by 50 percent in many states, and in Phoenix, child-molestation cases would drop by 34 percent and auto theft by 40 percent.
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Colorado taxpayers would save almost $3,000,000 in one day if illegals do not access any public services... Colorado’s K-12 school classrooms would have 131,000 fewer students if illegal aliens and the children of illegals were to stay home...Colorado’s jails and prisons would have 10-percent fewer inmates, and Denver and many other towns would not need to build so many new jails to accommodate the overcrowding.

On a Day Without an Illegal Immigrant, thousands of workers and small contractors in the construction industry across Colorado would have their jobs back, the jobs given to illegal workers because they work for lower wages and no benefits.

I don't expect this will happen - too bad, because that's the other side of what we'd see if there really were a full day without illegals.

 

[packerdog]

Your realities are correct and I agree with all but #4.

As i said in my other posts, I don't know what the answer is, but so far we haven't found it.

I agree,from one SYC to another. OT just saw that you moved, welcome. So funny, we looked at a home in DP a couple of months ago, flip flop! Just to hard to move from SYC.

 

[JBean]

I agree,from one SYC to another. OT just saw that you moved, welcome. So funny, we looked at a home in DP a couple of months ago, flip flop! Just to hard to move from SYC.

hehehe I've been looking for you!
DP is out of control and San Juan is such a great place.
It was all quiet today and there were plenty of day laborers in front of Donut World on Camino Cap
Capo Unified's attendence was down a bit but no walk outs anywhere in OC.Santa Ana had the most activity..but nothing major.

 

[packerdog]

hehehe I've been looking for you!
DP is out of control and San Juan is such a great place.
It was all quiet today and there were plenty of day laborers in front of Donut World on Camino Cap
Capo Unified's attendence was down a bit but no walk outs anywhere in OC.Santa Ana had the most activity..but nothing major.

:blowkiss:

 

[Beyond Belief]

Its easy to fool an employer when your an illegal. You just borrow all your cousines papers who is legal, since you look like your cousin, its easy to pass as him and work. Then when you finally get your own papers straightened out, you just show back up at the job and tell them truth. Your legal now, what are they going to do? You probably will have to get another job, but you managed to work and support yourself so who cares and your cousin gets all the benefits of the money you paid to social security, medicaid, and withholding taxes. A winning situation for the illegal and his partner.

 

[CyberLaw]

From www.thetorontostar.com

May 2, 2006 - David Carpenter, Associated Press.

Hundreds of thousands of mostly Hispanic immigrants skipped work and took to the streets yesterday, flexing their economic muscle in a nationwide boycott that succeeded in slowing or shutting down many farms, factories, markets and restaurants.

If illegal immigration came to a standstill, it would disrupt the economy," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com.


"It would lead to higher prices for many goods and services, and some things literally would not get done."

While the full impact of the one-day boycott was hard to immediately gauge, it was palpable in some industries with a heavily Hispanic work force.

Juan Jose Gutierrez, one of several national leaders co-ordinating the boycott, estimated that as many as 10 million people participated either by staying home from work, leaving school or attending rallies.


"This was an incredible, historic success," said Gutierrez, adding that business losses could reach $1.5 billion.


Well there were no or very few farm workers picking "American's" fruits and veggies in California, a dire shortage of butchers in the midwest, and "scarce" reataurant workers in NY. We are not even going to get into the "factories".

I would like to know what American would work at a job picking fruits and veggies for 8, 10, 12 hours a day in the hot sun of California. Everyday.....

I would think that most American's would see this as "immigrant" work, and feel that it is a)seasonal b)harsh c)terrible working conditions, dirty and hot d)not paying what the job is worth, e)physical labour f)no healthcare benefits and g)beneath the "average" american and finally h)no prospects of job promotion, or training on the job to transfer the skills to another company or industry. You would "basically" be stuck with the "skills" from this job for life with no chance to 'better" yourself and your family.

Gee sound like a "great" job for the "average" American, especially those little "immigrant" camps and "hovels" that they are housed in to work because after all the job starts at "sunrise" and ends at "sunset" and if you are not paid a decent wage, where else are you going to "afford" to live.........

Then there is the "travel" from camp to camp looking for work.........after all it is seasonal, do you "drag" your family along too, what about stability, school, friends...........

It seems to me that the USA needs immigrants as much as the immigrants need the USA. D

Do you want to pay double, triple the price for items, and in some cases "items" are not available, because the "industry" relied "heavily" on Hispanic workers.......

Ethics is not always a "priority" for "business", keeping costs down, and profits up is............

They will not do the right thing, if that means no one will buy their product if the cost triples.

So a lettuce that was 1.00 US, under "immigrant" conditions is now going to cost 3.00 under "American" conditions.

The lettuce next to this one is still 1.00 because of immigrant labour......

Which one would you buy: the 3.00 lettuce or the 1.00 lettuce......and who's company do you think will stay in business........

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Well I'm in Dallas and I didn't notice anything yesterday any different than any other day. The local news here is saying it was a horrible failure and even the organizers agree that it didn't accomplish anything and shouldn't have been held so closely to the other "march" last month. What they did accomplish, I think, was getting more and more people to donate money to the Minute Men Fund of getting that fence built.

 

[Details]

So a lettuce that was 1.00 US, under "immigrant" conditions is now going to cost 3.00 under "American" conditions.

The lettuce next to this one is still 1.00 because of immigrant labour......

Which one would you buy: the 3.00 lettuce or the 1.00 lettuce......and who's company do you think will stay in business........

Funny - but before we had all this illegal immigration - who do you think picked lettuce? I can see where businesses need to keep up with their competition, but the idea that these jobs can be done by noone but illegals just isn't right.

When Regan did the amnesty back in the 80's, all the same arguments were used - that making these people citizens would cause prices to explode. It didn't happen.

In the past, we've used guest worker programs that were also very sucessful, and much more humanitarian than the current situation. The guest worker program guarenteed decent housing and transportation back home when done, and of course, their pay. Currently, the housing is whatever the business's conscience dictates (unsanitary, unsafe), and some unscrupulous types will call INS right before the last payday, so they don't have to pay the illegals who have been working for them.