Imperfect Justice - Prosecuting Casey Anthony by Jeff Ashton Release date Nov. 15

My book arrived about 10 days or 2 weeks ago. I couldn't tolerate the dust jacket, so I removed it and put it into a file drawer that I rarely have to open. After letting the book set near my desk for several days, I decided to begin reading it this morning.

On page 68, Ashton is explaining what George told the detective at the sheriff's office soon after Casey was arrested. In George's statement, he discusses going to the towyard with Cindy to get the Pontiac, how only he and the towyard guy walked to the car, how they smelled the odor, and that they found the trash bag in the trunk, which the yard guy disposed into the dumpster.

After that, he mentions he told Cindy he didn't know how he could drive the car home with that smell in it. When they got home, and George put the car in the garage, Cindy said, "What died?". Then she said, "George, it was the pizza, right?". GA says, "Yeah, it was the pizza.".

Now, my question is, how did Cindy know anything about "the pizza" at that point? She wasn't there when they opened the trunk. Did George somehow mention pizza(!) between the time they opened the trunk and the time he drove into the garage? Pizza? When Casey and Caylee were nowhere in sight? Just when did they concoct this pizza theory?

Ashton mentions Zenaida Gonzalez filled out the visitors' card at Sawgrass on April 17th, did we know that? I mean did we know it was APRIL 17th? I thought they were saying June 17th during the investigation. :waitasec: Did one of us (JA or myself) get it wrong?

JA says Casey made three phone calls after her arrest, yet he only describes one phone call where she spoke to three different people (Cindy, Lee, Christina) - three conversations. I don't recall any other phone calls that night, so is he meaning that one call with three convos?

I've already read this thread, but I'm thinking now that I'm reading the book, I should probably follow the thread again as I go along. A wise idea, because I want to know if others reacted to what I've reacted, too.

My thoughts on the book at this point: it's well-written, easy to follow, informative (even though I already knew most of the stuff), and it's nice to know he's had a good relationship with other prosecutors, LE, and court officials for years and still has, and that he respects all of them.

Reading the events of the earliest part of the investigation, the 911 calls, the trips to the various apartment buildings, the tour of Universal Studios offices, the lies, lies, lies told by Casey, I having more and more trouble understanding how the Pinellas 12 + 5 refused to find her guilty of at least child neglect/abuse. How they couldn't see the writing on the wall that Casey was protecting only Casey is beyond my comprehension! It's so obvious to me they just didn't care. They were forced to sit in the courtroom, forced to stay in a luxury resort, eat in fancy restaurants, and got paid for it, and their out was given to them on the first day of trial, "Casey was never missing, she [accidentally] drowned in the family pool..." They grasped it and never let it go.

The jurors paid attention to nothing else, only a few minor points so they could repeat it later in interviews. "She drowned." "George acted suspiciously." "Casey was sexually abused." "No one saw her harm the child." "No proof". They probably decided all that the first afternoon and left their brains upstairs in their hotel rooms the rest of the trial.

Like you, Horace, I'm very pleased to see Jeff having success while JB (and I hope the jurors) are finding this world very uncomfortable. There is no justice for Caylee.

I'm heartened that so many of Casey's acquaintances called the sheriff's office to tell the truth about Casey. Thanks for letting us know, JA, how her friends were willing to help the investigation. Those friends were there for Caylee, even though it was too late.
 
My book arrived about 10 days or 2 weeks ago. I couldn't tolerate the dust jacket, so I removed it and put it into a file drawer that I rarely have to open. After letting the book set near my desk for several days, I decided to begin reading it this morning.

On page 68, Ashton is explaining what George told the detective at the sheriff's office soon after Casey was arrested. In George's statement, he discusses going to the towyard with Cindy to get the Pontiac, how only he and the towyard guy walked to the car, how they smelled the odor, and that they found the trash bag in the trunk, which the yard guy disposed into the dumpster.

After that, he mentions he told Cindy he didn't know how he could drive the car home with that smell in it. When they got home, and George put the car in the garage, Cindy said, "What died?". Then she said, "George, it was the pizza, right?". GA says, "Yeah, it was the pizza.".

Now, my question is, how did Cindy know anything about "the pizza" at that point? She wasn't there when they opened the trunk. Did George somehow mention pizza(!) between the time they opened the trunk and the time he drove into the garage? Pizza? When Casey and Caylee were nowhere in sight? Just when did they concoct this pizza theory?

Ashton mentions Zenaida Gonzalez filled out the visitors' card at Sawgrass on April 17th, did we know that? I mean did we know it was APRIL 17th? I thought they were saying June 17th during the investigation. :waitasec: Did one of us (JA or myself) get it wrong?

JA says Casey made three phone calls after her arrest, yet he only describes one phone call where she spoke to three different people (Cindy, Lee, Christina) - three conversations. I don't recall any other phone calls that night, so is he meaning that one call with three convos?

I've already read this thread, but I'm thinking now that I'm reading the book, I should probably follow the thread again as I go along. A wise idea, because I want to know if others reacted to what I've reacted, too.

My thoughts on the book at this point: it's well-written, easy to follow, informative (even though I already knew most of the stuff), and it's nice to know he's had a good relationship with other prosecutors, LE, and court officials for years and still has, and that he respects all of them.

Reading the events of the earliest part of the investigation, the 911 calls, the trips to the various apartment buildings, the tour of Universal Studios offices, the lies, lies, lies told by Casey, I having more and more trouble understanding how the Pinellas 12 + 5 refused to find her guilty of at least child neglect/abuse. How they couldn't see the writing on the wall that Casey was protecting only Casey is beyond my comprehension! It's so obvious to me they just didn't care. They were forced to sit in the courtroom, forced to stay in a luxury resort, eat in fancy restaurants, and got paid for it, and their out was given to them on the first day of trial, "Casey was never missing, she [accidentally] drowned in the family pool..." They grasped it and never let it go.

The jurors paid attention to nothing else, only a few minor points so they could repeat it later in interviews. "She drowned." "George acted suspiciously." "Casey was sexually abused." "No one saw her harm the child." "No proof". They probably decided all that the first afternoon and left their brains upstairs in their hotel rooms the rest of the trial.

Like you, Horace, I'm very pleased to see Jeff having success while JB (and I hope the jurors) are finding this world very uncomfortable. There is no justice for Caylee.

I'm heartened that so many of Casey's acquaintances called the sheriff's office to tell the truth about Casey. Thanks for letting us know, JA, how her friends were willing to help the investigation. Those friends were there for Caylee, even though it was too late.

Hi..
1) trying to recall the LE/FBI interviews... George told Cindy about the garbage/pizza box in the trunk

2) ZG was at Sawgrass on June 17th and the visitor card filled out...I don't remember where the error occured but that ZG at Sawgrass April or June thread was bumped recently.

3) Jailphone calls...Yes Casey did make 3 more phone calls from jail after being arrested..Tony and 2 other Male friends..it is in the discovery somewhere...and I think the Hinkymeter had it in a timeline of events.

IMO...the Jury bought the accidentally drowning theory with NO PROOF...
IMO..the Jury bought the molestation story with NO PROOF...

:twocents:
 
Hi..
1) trying to recall the LE/FBI interviews... George told Cindy about the garbage/pizza box in the trunk

2) ZG was at Sawgrass on June 17th and the visitor card filled out...I don't remember where the error occured but that ZG at Sawgrass April or June thread was bumped recently.

3) Jailphone calls...Yes Casey did make 3 more phone calls from jail after being arrested..Tony and 2 other Male friends..it is in the discovery somewhere...and I think the Hinkymeter had it in a timeline of events.

IMO...the Jury bought the accidentally drowning theory with NO PROOF...
IMO..the Jury bought the molestation story with NO PROOF...

:twocents:
They had diffficulty reading the card IIRC. I'm not sure how long it took before they caught their mistake, but if IIRC, not that long.
 
Hi..
1) trying to recall the LE/FBI interviews... George told Cindy about the garbage/pizza box in the trunk

2) ZG was at Sawgrass on June 17th and the visitor card filled out...I don't remember where the error occured but that ZG at Sawgrass April or June thread was bumped recently.

3) Jailphone calls...Yes Casey did make 3 more phone calls from jail after being arrested..Tony and 2 other Male friends..it is in the discovery somewhere...and I think the Hinkymeter had it in a timeline of events.

IMO...the Jury bought the accidentally drowning theory with NO PROOF...
IMO..the Jury bought the molestation story with NO PROOF...

:twocents:

Just adding to my post

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/

KC attempts to call CS twice from jail. He refuses both collect calls.

(i think it is male friend Chris S)
 
Thanks for the help with the three phone calls after her first arrest. Of course, the one that stands out in my mind is the one we heard over and over, her nastiness with her mother and her insistence on getting Tony's telephone number and Christina being upset over Caylee.

I agree, Intermezzo, the jury decided NO PROOF was the easiest way to go. NO PROOF on what the defense told them over hundreds of pieces of evidence from the prosecution. And that's supposed to be justice. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the known liars who are not having to face consequences for perjury and unscrupulous attorneys who are allowed to make a mockery of our justice system. JA's book magnifies what is wrong and what needs to be repaired.
 
IIRC - Jeffery DALE Hopkins was one (she was looking for an alibi imho)


eta - that may have been a cell phone call before she was arrested... (fuzzy after all this time), the Sr. Hopkins told him/refused to answer

You could be right..l
I know I read it in a timeline and I was certain it was on the HinkyMeter.
It was the jailhouse call logs..

I remember reading that she made at least 4 phone calls from jail(5 if we count her call to hire Baez)
1 to Anthony home and 3 to males...I found it curious she never called any of her girlfriends....
After her arrest, the first call Casey made was to the Anthony home to get TL's number, which she got and called him. TL did not accept her call.

She then called Chris S from jail around 11.30pm, he did not accept the call

I am reading the LE interview with Jeff H's parents and they state Casey called there house at 5am one morning,(they don't give a date) the phone rang twice, they did not answer and Jeff moved out of the house at 18..so the parents thought it was strange that she called.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/j_mhopkins071608.pdf
 
Can someone who has a copy of the book please check and see if JA gives a timeframe reference for when KC told the drs about the GA/molesting/pool/drowning story? Was it told early on? I am curious if the unsealing of these depos could help RK in his lawsuit. If KC was saying early on that GA was the boogeyman, then why did JB et al spend 3 years defaming him in the media? TIA!
 
Can someone who has a copy of the book please check and see if JA gives a timeframe reference for when KC told the drs about the GA/molesting/pool/drowning story? Was it told early on? I am curious if the unsealing of these depos could help RK in his lawsuit. If KC was saying early on that GA was the boogeyman, then why did JB et al spend 3 years defaming him in the media? TIA!
Would their visits be in the jail logs or would that be privildged info?

ETA: I'm not up to that part yet in the book...by why do I think that Danziger saw Casey early on and towards the end...right before the trial began.
 
I cant find it so dont quote me (I have kindle) but I recall it being at the end (after the DT approached the state wanting to trade a story for taking DP off the table but not tell story in advance which took place in feb of this year...ie, at the end of the hallway)
 
I was thinking it was early, but am not sure. I loaned my book out so I can't check.
 
Bumping for the Dr. Phil show today..... Any comments???
 
I did not watch this 1st time round, but am home today recovering from all the holiday whopila....

Talking about the "read on the jury" being so bad. OH NO JVM is now on, sorry she's a channel changer - BRB.
 
After her arrest, the first call Casey made was to the Anthony home to get TL's number, which she got and called him. TL did not accept her call.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tony did take her call and grilled her about Caylee. I remember reading a transcript of their conversation and was struck by Casey's attempt to convince him that once he hears the whole story, it will all make sense. If Tony wrote a book, I'd be first in line to read it.
 
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tony did take her call and grilled her about Caylee. I remember reading a transcript of their conversation and was struck by Casey's attempt to convince him that once he hears the whole story, it will all make sense. If Tony wrote a book, I'd be first in line to read it.

Timeline for July 16 from http://www.thehinkymeter.com/casey-anthony-murder-trial/timeline-and-discovery/ & http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-071608.htm

There are texts between KC & TL prior to her being arrested.

Now to find after she is arrested the 1st time (16 July ~ 430p)

Love that Jeff's making $$$ & touring . . .
 
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Tony did take her call and grilled her about Caylee. I remember reading a transcript of their conversation and was struck by Casey's attempt to convince him that once he hears the whole story, it will all make sense. If Tony wrote a book, I'd be first in line to read it.
I don't think from jail, though. She texted him from home...and he wanted to know why she was texting him...and not picking up the phone to talk to him.

ETA: convo you remember may be here?

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/may/253267/
 

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