IMPORTANT: Michael Tracey/Westword Article/Please read.

  • #21
Below I bolded the text I'd like to comment on. I don't believe that Fleet White and his family have done anything but paid the highest price for their friendship. They stood on principle .... JMHO

4sure said:
I tend to try not to get to wrapped up in the "name game". LS, ST, LA, MT and so on. All these people in their own way willingly or unwillingly are part of the cover up. People like MT are valued because they continue to look for the "patsy" (no pun intented) the so called "crazed pedophile" intruder type. The, if you will, Lee Oswald of the JBR case. People like ST are valued because they keep the heat on the R's. This works out well for those who never want to see this case in a court of law.

Onward:
You have to go no further than page one to see this reporter is no reporter. He has is bias opinion and has no problem letting us know.
"Tracey has a dismal track record as a Ramsey sleuth. He's been barking up the wrong tree for years, serving up one implausible suspect after another"

Let me also mention his Fleet White reference.
"Fleet White Jr., a former friend of the Ramseys who'd split with them shortly after the murder, was even more incensed. He and his wife Priscilla wrote to the CU Board of Regents, questioning Tracey's competence and demanding an investigation." ..."they wrote. "Mr. Tracey was attempting to deflect suspicion from the Ramseys on the eve of the grand jury investigation."
I don't trust FW for reasons many of you already are aware of. I see no reason to portray him as a "crusader" of some sort. In fact it seems he is/was a leading RDI propagandist. With friends like this........I'd run from Boulder to.

Onward
"Gigax offered to send Bennett sales receipts that proved he was in Indiana over Christmas 1996. He also had a dozen witnesses who'd seen him there on Christmas Day. As he sees it, the film mangles basic facts about him, his whereabouts and his criminal record to make him fit the part of a crazed ninja-stalker killer. Calling him a "convicted pedophile" is a bit misleading: After what he describes as a drunken and unconsummated encounter with a teenage babysitter 21 years ago, he was convicted of attempted sexual assault and served less than two years. Yes, he pleaded guilty in 1996 to a menacing charge over a fight in his trailer that ended with the stabbing of a neighbor, but he received probation and arranged to complete it in Indiana."
Ah the poor misunderstood Mr. Gigax. How nice of him to OFFER to show those receipts to Mr. Bennett. Did Mr. Bennett take him up on that? We don't know because Mr. Prendergast doesn't care. There seems to be no attempt to get the "babysitters" version of the story. That nasty stabbing incident? Obviously the neighbor's fault. Maybe he does fit the part Mr. Prendergast. Yet a man with no criminal history, who no one can prove or even suggest he ever hurt anyone and heads a multi-national corperation worth millions of dollars is his prime suspect.
 
  • #22
I don't mind standing in this distinquished line. Bravo!!
JMO8778 said:
I second that..SuperDave is a Superhero in my book !
 
  • #23
I tend to try not to get to wrapped up in the "name game". LS, ST, LA, MT and so on. All these people in their own way willingly or unwillingly are part of the cover up. People like MT are valued because they continue to look for the "patsy" (no pun intented) the so called "crazed pedophile" intruder type. The, if you will, Lee Oswald of the JBR case. People like ST are valued because they keep the heat on the R's. This works out well for those who never want to see this case in a court of law.

Last I knew, nobody asked Tracey to get involved.

"Tracey has a dismal track record as a Ramsey sleuth. He's been barking up the wrong tree for years, serving up one implausible suspect after another"

And that's your proof? That statement is absolutely true.

"Fleet White Jr., a former friend of the Ramseys who'd split with them shortly after the murder, was even more incensed. He and his wife Priscilla wrote to the CU Board of Regents, questioning Tracey's competence and demanding an investigation." ..."they wrote. "Mr. Tracey was attempting to deflect suspicion from the Ramseys on the eve of the grand jury investigation."

He probably was.

I don't trust FW for reasons many of you already are aware of. I see no reason to portray him as a "crusader" of some sort. In fact it seems he is/was a leading RDI propagandist. With friends like this........I'd run from Boulder to.

Fleet stood on principle. He did a lot more for JB than her parents ever did. You can ask Ellis Armistead about that.

And Michael Tracey isn't an IDI propagandist?
 
  • #24
SuperDave said:
Last I knew, nobody asked Tracey to get involved.
Just because you don't know doesn't mean its not possible.

SuperDave said:
And that's your proof? That statement is absolutely true.
It is true to say MT has failed to try to find JBR's killer. It is biased to say "hes barking up the wrong tree." This is not offered as anyones opinion other than Mr. Prendergasts. So I must draw the conclusion that he is as one sided as ST and the rest of his article is going to reinforce the statement. This is not reporting it's preaching.

SuperDave said:
He probably was.
Maybe but it's not any of FW's business.

SuperDave said:
Fleet stood on principle. He did a lot more for JB than her parents ever did. You can ask Ellis Armistead about that.
Fleet seems interested in only the R's being put on trial. Which leads me to believe things I'm not sure I can say here.

SuperDave said:
And Michael Tracey isn't an IDI propagandist?
Yes he is. I'll admit that. No problem. My question is why can't you admit that Mr. Prendergasts article is no more than RDI propaganda?
 
  • #25
4sure said:
People like ST are valued because they keep the heat on the R's. This works out well for those who never want to see this case in a court of law.

I don't trust FW for reasons many of you already are aware of. I see no reason to portray him as a "crusader" of some sort. In fact it seems he is/was a leading RDI propagandist. With friends like this........I'd run from Boulder to.
Excuse me, but us RDI's very much want to see John Ramsey prosecuted in a court of law!:doh:

John Ramsey wasn't running from Fleet White, he was a guilty criminal trying to get out of Dodge within 1/2 hour of his daughter's body being discovered!
 
  • #26
LinasK said:
Excuse me, but us RDI's very much want to see John Ramsey prosecuted in a court of law!:doh:

!
I know that LinasK. It just dosen't make you right.
 
  • #27
4sure said:
I know that LinasK. It just dosen't make you right.
You said:
People like ST are valued because they keep the heat on the R's. This works out well for those who never want to see this case in a court of law.
Yes we want the heat kept right where it belongs- on John Ramsey, noone ever said we never want to see this case in a court of law!
 
  • #28
4sure said:
Sorry to jump in here I know you were asking Badsleuth. But..........
Im not so sure about an agenda except he 4sure seems to be anti ramsey, accepts the words of convicted criminals and assumes LE always tells the truth. MT may be misguided and he could be wrong but at least he's trying. Also its not his fault the media turned JMK into JMStarr.

Why do the Ramsey's appear innocent to you? Just curious.....
 
  • #29
Show Me said:
Why do the Ramsey's appear innocent to you? Just curious.....
They don't. They could be (at least of the actual murder). I'm not sure. In this case I think
its bigger and more involved than just the R's. I may appear to defend them so much because most others are so convinced of the R's guilt and their own theory.
 
  • #30
4sure said:
They don't. They could be (at least of the actual murder). I'm not sure. In this case I think
its bigger and more involved than just the R's. I may appear to defend them so much because most others are so convinced of the R's guilt and their own theory.

After watching this case for ten years...oh yeah I believe the Ramsey's have guilty knowledge in the death of their daughter...again their actions and words convinced me.

My opinion was not formed lightly...I think we all have opinions were are convinced of. :)
 
  • #31
LinasK said:
You said:
Yes we want the heat kept right where it belongs- on John Ramsey, noone ever said we never want to see this case in a court of law!
I apologize LinasK maybe I have misunderstood your thoughts or maybe I have miscommunicated my own.

The people who never want to see this case go to trial are the people who may go to jail along with the R's who must have great influence in Boulder. However after some thought I must say I do agree with you LinasK. I would like to see JR on trial. Not so much because I think either of the R's are guilty of the crime many think they committed but because he may start telling truths that will expose more crimes and people than we ever thought possible.
 
  • #32
4sure said:
I apologize LinasK maybe I have misunderstood your thoughts or maybe I have miscommunicated my own.

The people who never want to see this case go to trial are the people who may go to jail along with the R's who must have great influence in Boulder. However after some thought I must say I do agree with you LinasK. I would like to see JR on trial. Not so much because I think either of the R's are guilty of the crime many think they committed but because he may start telling truths that will expose more crimes and people than we ever thought possible.

Who are these other people you are talking about 4sure? A conspiracy?
 
  • #33
Show Me said:
Who are these other people you are talking about 4sure? A conspiracy?
Conspiracy is such a maliged word these days Show ME. I hate to use it much myself because its now associated with the crazy and paranoid.
You ask for certainties I can't give Show ME.
This is why I suspect so many just want to believe RDI.
Its simple and neat and done.
Which is one of the things people involved in conspiracies depend on.
 
  • #34
QUOTE=4sure]Conspiracy is such a maliged word these days Show ME. I hate to use it much myself because its now associated with the crazy and paranoid. What do you mean?
You ask for certainties I can't give Show ME. Then if you can't be certain why are you so determined it was a child sex ring?
This is why I suspect so many just want to believe RDI. There is no evidence of a child sex ring, period.The pen, pad, rope, paintbrush etc belonged to Patsy.
Its simple and neat and done. Well so is ''aliens from outerspace, pissed off at John Ramsey killed his daughter.' I can't prove it, but it's simple, neat and done...doesn't make it correct.
Which is one of the things people involved in conspiracies depend on. Involved in conspiracies depend on what? Framing John?

I'm sorry 4sure....I don't understand your conspiracy point at all....it's too vague for me.
 
  • #35
Yes he is. I'll admit that. No problem. My question is why can't you admit that Mr. Prendergasts article is no more than RDI propaganda?

I'll tell you why: because he doesn't print any of the RDI claims unchallenged. In fact, in certain places, he's flat-out wrong.
 
  • #36
SuperDave said:
In fact, in certain places, he's flat-out wrong.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
  • #37
Show Me said:
QUOTE=4sure]What do you mean?
I really don't know how else to say it. Have you ever heard the term "Conspirasy Nut".
Show Me said:
You ask for certainties I can't give Show ME. Then if you can't be certain why are you so determined it was a child sex ring?.
I am not "determined". I am open minded to the possibility.
Show Me said:
This is why I suspect so many just want to believe RDI. There is no evidence of a child sex ring, period.The pen, pad, rope, paintbrush etc belonged to Patsy.
Except for the one that was busted a few years later. It would be hard to frame the R's using the neighbors pen, pad, rope, paintbursh etc.......
Show Me said:
Its simple and neat and done.Well so is ''aliens from outerspace, pissed off at John Ramsey killed his daughter.' I can't prove it, but it's simple, neat and done...doesn't make it correct..
Agian, I don't claim to be correct only suspicious and curious.
Show Me said:
Which is one of the things people involved in conspiracies depend on. Involved in conspiracies depend on what? Framing John? .
No, that conspiracies are too involved and complicated to believe, so most will look for the obvious.
Show Me said:
I'm sorry 4sure....I don't understand your conspiracy point at all....it's too vague for me.
I think we both would suspect that the JBR's death was covered up by multiple people besides "possibly" the R's. This itself is a conspiracy. When someone will risk going to prison to help cover up the death of a child it tells me they have something to lose otherwise.
 
  • #38
Legally, you're right. To prove conspiracy, you don't necessarily need to show the participants knew exactly what the others were doing.
 

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