Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #156

[CSIDreamer]

Any speculation about why LE would have considered RA's claim that he was in the area not credible? Could this be as ridiculous as writing off his claim because he said he didn't see the girls (or presumably anyone) when LE knew the girls were there at the time?

I've kind of wondered if they meant unconnected instead of unfounded. I can't make any sense out of it. JMO

 

[flashy09]

A helpful member posted several links last night where LE clearly stated to “disregard the first (first released, OBG) sketch”.

I was confused about thinking that BOTH sketches were supposed-to be BG.

But, IMO, after reading all of those links, LE was emphatic that the OBG sketch was not of a POI and no longer relevant.

So, seriously? Wth? Now they are saying differently? This is such crap.

How many "unintentional mistakes" can there be?!

 

[Ontario Mom]

THIS! Is what I just can't absorb. How the heck can the two sketches be used together? Only reason I can think of is if there were two individuals involved. But, and that is a big but, each sketch was portrayed by LE as THE BG. This is really bothering me. JMO

From the very first moment I saw the second sketch, I thought exactly the same "this is a 2nd guy". The sketches look nothing alike to me. Not even close. Not brothers, not even distant cousins. It's bothered me as well all along.

 

[SkyBoomer]

ISP: Person in first Delphi sketch is not a person of interest in Libby & Abby's murders

Indiana State Police are now saying the new sketch of the Delphi suspect is their current person of interest and the first sketch - released two years ago - is not a person of interest at this time.

www.wrtv.com

From the linked article:

Indiana State Police also issued the following clarification about the two sketches:

• They are not the same person
• The person depicted in the originally released sketch is not presently a person of interest in this investigation

What say you, Doug Carter?

 

[flashy09]

I've kind of wondered if they meant unconnected instead of unfounded. I can't make any sense out of it. JMO

I think that makes more sense. The fact that the word "forgotten" was also used makes me think it wasn't thought of as unfounded, but it was overlooked and ....forgotten. Which is hard to contemplate. I will assume there is more to it than that.

 

[minazoe]

that he immediately came to the park and inserted himself into the narrative by placing himself on the bridge to the park custodian ..I mean he popped right out, front and center . ..How? please tell me, does this not raise a flag?

oh this is why detectives go over everything again and again and hundred times again because sometimes something so obvious as this is just somehow not flagged and is lost in the crush. mOO

 

[lonetraveler]

From the very first moment I saw the second sketch, I thought exactly the same "this is a 2nd guy". The sketches look nothing alike to me. Not even close. Not brothers, not even distant cousins. It's bothered me as well all along.

ISP: Person in first Delphi sketch is not a person of interest in Libby & Abby's murders

Indiana State Police are now saying the new sketch of the Delphi suspect is their current person of interest and the first sketch - released two years ago - is not a person of interest at this time.

www.wrtv.com

From the linked article:

Indiana State Police also issued the following clarification about the two sketches:

• They are not the same person
• The person depicted in the originally released sketch is not presently a person of interest in this investigation

What say you, Doug Carter?

You see, this is exactly what I mean when I say I'm thinking about the jury. So, Doug Carter, which sketch is suppose to be the arrested RA?

 

[flashy09]

that he immediately came to the park and inserted himself into the narrative by placing himself on the bridge to the park custodian ..I mean he popped right out, front and center . ..How? please tell me, does this not raise a flag?

oh this is why detectives go over everything again and again and hundred times again because sometimes something so obvious as this is just somehow not flagged and is lost in the crush. mOO

What's really crazy is that this was all pegged in the 2019 PC! They had the profile absolutely right and he was right there.

 

[lonetraveler]

How many "unintentional mistakes" can there be?!

Imagine that you are on the jury.............

 

[SkyBoomer]

“As questions swirl over new direction in murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, ISP clarifies that sketches are meant to be different men. Only one’s a suspect.”​

Delphi murders: New suspect sketch not same man as in old sketch, ISP clarifies

As questions swirl over new direction in murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, ISP clarifies that sketches are meant to be different men. Only one’s a suspect.

www.jconline.com

 

[Alethea]

From the very first moment I saw the second sketch, I thought exactly the same "this is a 2nd guy". The sketches look nothing alike to me. Not even close. Not brothers, not even distant cousins. It's bothered me as well all along.

Agreed, the features are not even close. You could imagine a situation where two different people describe the same person differently so the sketches look off but here it’s clearly two different people. Immutable characteristics: age, face shape, hair texture. It’s so weird and I don’t think we’ll ever get the truth.

 

[lonetraveler]

“As questions swirl over new direction in murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, ISP clarifies that sketches are meant to be different men. Only one’s a suspect.”​

Delphi murders: New suspect sketch not same man as in old sketch, ISP clarifies

As questions swirl over new direction in murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, ISP clarifies that sketches are meant to be different men. Only one’s a suspect.

www.jconline.com

Well, I can see where that would be very hard to explain when, in the end, it was a man closely matching the first sketch who is now the allegedly the murderer.

 

[TL4S]

A helpful member posted several links last night where LE clearly stated to “disregard the first (first released, OBG) sketch”.

I was confused about thinking that BOTH sketches were supposed-to be BG.

But, IMO, after reading all of those links, LE was emphatic that the OBG sketch was not of a POI and no longer relevant.

So, seriously? Wth? Now they are saying differently? This is such crap.

Not only did they say to disregard the first sketch, but they expressed that the sketches were not of the same person. They also said the first sketch would become secondary, and the killer would end up looking like a combination of the two. Now they are saying RA is both. It almost sounds like KAK was writing their dialogue...

But I do believe there was reasoning behind what appears unreasonable. Suddenly in 2019, LE made the decision to go back to a previous sketch of a younger man. I believe that witnesses saw the man in the first sketch on the trails that day, and I believe it was RA. And I don't care how unpopular this is, and that most likely I'm wrong, because I'm not the investigators working the case, but I think RA might have had an online presence (not a_shots) and that is who the second sketch is of...a profile pic or something related, maybe even filtered or photshopped photo of himself. So the two sketches are not of the same individual in face, but are the same person in reality, if that makes sense.

Perhaps LE has more evidence of digital communications via L (or even A) than what we know about. All very much JMO.

 

[SkyBoomer]

ISP Sup. Chief Carter live on WIBC right now Hammer & Nigel - WIBC - 11-15-22 | Hammer & Nigel - WIBC - 11-15-22 | By 93.1 WIBC-FM | Facebook

Listening right now and I am dumbfounded by the bold faced “revisionism”. I call it lying. MOO

 

[WingsOverTX]

Oh good Lord. I just can’t with this sketch back-and-forth anymore. Ridiculous.

Right? We need some PC "meat" to go with the neverending speculation "potatoes". The waiting seems to be creating a kind of circular drama about every little thing.

I say little because all we need to convict RA, if indeed he is BG, is:
Motive
Means
Opportunity

Of the three, opportunity seems clear to me. Means has to be in the PC. Motive is the toughest to pin down.

Will the sketches, speculation about the investigative failures, etc., matter if they got the right perp finally?

I would say no crime is perfect, no investigation is perfect & even justice is imperfect in most cases.

LE was diligent here IMO.

I hope we see it pay off soon & these young teens will have their day in court. That's what is most important to me.

Putting away their killer is our only hope for justice. Compared to what was lost that February day, it's cold comfort.
JMO

 

[flashy09]

Imagine that you are on the jury.............

I am remaining confident the evidence against RA is strong even if it was a wild ride to him!

 

[SkyBoomer]

“As questions swirl over new direction in murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, ISP clarifies that sketches are meant to be different men. Only one’s a suspect.”​

Delphi murders: New suspect sketch not same man as in old sketch, ISP clarifies

As questions swirl over new direction in murders of Abby Williams and Libby German, ISP clarifies that sketches are meant to be different men. Only one’s a suspect.

www.jconline.com

Sadly, if I am on the jury, with what I have seen thus far, I am needing DNA evidence to convict because it looks like LE is totally inept. I don’t trust them to tell the truth or to handle the case properly.

*I mean this as if I were a juror and I were being presented with what LE has given us SO FAR*

 

[lonetraveler]

I can see the Defense attorney eating the Prosecution's lunch on these sketches. I'm concerned about the jury and 'reasonable doubt'.

I've served on a death penalty trial for a triple murder and the sketch of the alledged murderer was the main focus in the deliberation room.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am remaining confident the evidence against RA is strong even if it was a wild ride to him!

I'm hoping and praying that the evidence is overwhelming and inclusive.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

that he immediately came to the park and inserted himself into the narrative by placing himself on the bridge to the park custodian ..I mean he popped right out, front and center . ..How? please tell me, does this not raise a flag?

oh this is why detectives go over everything again and again and hundred times again because sometimes something so obvious as this is just somehow not flagged and is lost in the crush. mOO

IMO, that’s why the timing matters. If he “popped right out” on Feb. 13, the girls were missing, but not known to be murdered. Lots of local volunteers pitched in to help search. He was just “helping” — and establishing a cover story without implicating himself (or so he thought). Just like he “helped” by comping memorial photos.

If RA’s statement to the CO was after the 13th, I don’t understand his motivation for inserting himself into the narrative. He would have known the bodies would be discovered at any time. He never confessed (unless that’s the next shoe to drop!!), so he wasn’t filled with remorse and regret. He blended in and didn’t attempt to pop out again for the next 5 years. JMO.