Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

[LammyTheRobot]

It’s just bizarre. Why would the prosecution use an online petition as a reason to keep the PCA sealed?

... and then complain about "Internet people" ruining their work.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Do we think the additional involved parties are male or female?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

One such compelling reason would be other suspects which is probably where the KAK speculation has entered the picture.

MOO The KAK speculation has been ongoing for years, it's been almost 6 years since his catfishing was discovered and he has been in jail for 2.5 years. Many thought he or his father was BG, there are countless theories on his level of involvement. Now the last hope of KAK being involved is resting on this vague reason given by the prosecution, which is just a part of the asking for the sealing. In my opinion, neither the prosecution or LE has suggested, since RA's arrest, that KAK is involved. As DC said, "We have our man".
A valid reason would be other "suspects" that they are actually working on. And the prosecutor/judge would know if that was true or not, I hope. But the reason given is "there could be others involved", not suspects. Do they want it sealed until the calls to the tip line stop? MOO

 

[SMK777]

Do we think the additional involved parties are male or female?

We know it’s possible for females to be involved in everything from sex-abuse to murder. But I’m assuming male.

 

[SMK777]

It’s just bizarre. Why would the prosecution use an online petition as a reason to keep the PCA sealed? The argument should be made on the contents of the affidavit and the law, not an online petition signed by thousands of people who have no idea what the affidavit contains. Not getting the warm and fuzzies about the prosecution, seems they are in over their heads.

They don’t appear to be on top of their game.

 

[Le Singe]

I don't think LE would have been allowed to press ahead with charges etc if they were not confident and concrete in regards to what they have on RA. His defence also can't come out and say anything else in regards to his innocence, they have their own job to do in this. That said, I really really hope the case against RA is both correct and watertight.

how can we be sure though at this point the only person who had to approve it was a judge that has since shown himself to be unqualified and unprofessional. Hopefully you are right, but i think some level of skepticism is justified here.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

But the charge is felony murder so in reality all the affidavit has to do is create probably cause to arrest fir felony murder (death during commission of felony - ie kidnapping or SA etc) so I think the PC affidavit is probably pretty bare bones.

MOO The PC must show that there is evidence that the arrested person committed that specific crime. It may be bare bones but it must be compelling for a judge to accept it. A PC statement/the filing of charges also implies that there is enough existing evidence to likely convince a jury of guilt. MOO

It’s just bizarre. Why would the prosecution use an online petition as a reason to keep the PCA sealed? The argument should be made on the contents of the affidavit and the law, not an online petition signed by thousands of people who have no idea what the affidavit contains. Not getting the warm and fuzzies about the prosecution, seems they are in over their heads.

Kitchen sink reasoning. MOO

 

[photographer4]

If there was indeed more than one participant in these murders, I wonder if RA's reaction is sincere in the sense that he didn't commit the actual act, but was present when it happened. JMO







Also if there was more than one participant at the crime scene I wonder how their voice wasn't also picked up on Libby's phone.

Wasn’t picked up that we know of. Any chance that “guys” and “down the hill” are two different people? Wouldn’t that be a twist??

 

[taylorss]

MOO The KAK speculation has been ongoing for years, it's been almost 6 years since his catfishing was discovered and he has been in jail for 2.5 years. Many thought he or his father was BG, there are countless theories on his level of involvement. Now the last hope of KAK being involved is resting on this vague reason given by the prosecution, which is just a part of the asking for the sealing. In my opinion, neither the prosecution or LE has suggested, since RA's arrest, that KAK is involved. As DC said, "We have our man".
A valid reason would be other "suspects" that they are actually working on. And the prosecutor/judge would know if that was true or not, I hope. But the reason given is "there could be others involved", not suspects. Do they want it sealed until the calls to the tip line stop? MOO

DC saying “we have our man” made me think the evidence against RA was really strong….

It doesn’t really feel that way right now… can’t help but be concerned that part of what they’re hiding in that affidavit is evidence of their own mistakes….JMO & sure hope I’m wrong anyway

I don’t like the confidence his attys are projecting (and does one of their names keep changing back & forth between Baldwin & Goldman or am I crazy) … but these guys seem like real pros & that’s how the job is done.

What seems like great evidence to everyone else can prompt ridicule from the defense… along the lines of (made up example, not saying this happened)-
Prosecution: we found the murder weapon under your client’s bed
Defense: so what? He shares that bed with at least one other person. He’s had houseguests - have you made sure none of them put it there? And it’s normal to leave your door unlocked in this small town - literally anyone could’ve stowed that weapon there! Etc

JMO … just reminding myself how a zealous advocate does their job…

 

[Gemmie]

If it is KAK, surely DNA would already have connected him? If there is - as LEA says - perp DNA at the scene. Idk.

Or digital information. The 'DNA' of the internet.

 

[cuecard]

Wasn’t picked up that we know of. Any chance that “guys” and “down the hill” are two different people? Wouldn’t that be a twist??

Doug Carter specifically said in the 2019 presser that the person talking in the audio is one person. Unless that perspective has now changed and we just don't know about it.

 

[Gemmie]

If there was indeed more than one participant in these murders, I wonder if RA's reaction is sincere in the sense that he didn't commit the actual act, but was present when it happened. JMO

Also if there was more than one participant at the crime scene I wonder how their voice wasn't also picked up on Libby's phone.

Perhaps they didn't speak or couldn't be picked up from a distance by her phone.

 

[Gemmie]

Do we think the additional involved parties are male or female?

Male. Although females have been known to do 'bad stuff' too... my vote goes for male, not female.

 

[cuecard]

If there was indeed more than one participant in these murders, I wonder if RA's reaction is sincere in the sense that he didn't commit the actual act, but was present when it happened. JMO







Also if there was more than one participant at the crime scene I wonder how their voice wasn't also picked up on Libby's phone.

Being involved doesn't have to mean in the actual killings imo. Could be providing a getaway, helping destroy evidence, even in the planning of it. Could be something along those lines.

 

[margarita25]

 

[margarita25]

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

I know it's skipped over but I thought the first defense lawyer made a good point. He said his client said he's innocent, the PCA did not convince him otherwise, so he believes his client is innocent and will wait for the discovery. He said they did not see discovery from the state yet.

Most respectfully stepped by me, for focus:

As a defense attorney yourself, would you tell the public that the PCA didn’t convince you if in fact it really did convince you? And if so would you do so as apart of your defense strategy?

 

[TTF14]

Do we think the additional involved parties are male or female?

Maybe both.

 

[asyousay]

I still believe he acted alone and until I see damning proof I won’t believe otherwise.

He would of been caught years earlier if more than one person did this imo

 

[KBlackRabbit]

They don’t appear to be on top of their game.

They just introduced a truckload of reasonable doubt and the possibility that this was an arrest of convenience. I think it’s very likely they have a weak case. I hope the AA isn’t another 132 page word salad like the one in the Morphew case.

I still think he acted alone and the supposed other parties are a stall tactic.