IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #163

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I no way believe RA is being treated inhumanely or unfairly in prison. If he not eating, loosing weight and is feeling miserable, it is all on him. He is looking for sympathy, attention and special treatment.
moo
 
Sketches don't really matter.....since actual eye witnesses will be at the trial. Those are the people that tried to get the artist to paint a picture based on verbal comments.
And that's exactly what I'm curious about. The sketches themselves aren't evidence, I realize, but the defense is sure to want to talk to the source of the YBG sketch (drawn on 2/17/17 and the one still on the ISP and FBI sites). They are going to want to hear for themselves what that person saw, because if that person describes seeing a man in his 20s with lots of wavy hair and no facial scruff, and that man is unaccounted for, the defense is going to want to know more. Jmo.
 
And that's exactly what I'm curious about. The sketches themselves aren't evidence, I realize, but the defense is sure to want to talk to the source of the YBG sketch (drawn on 2/17/17 and the one still on the ISP and FBI sites). They are going to want to hear for themselves what that person saw, because if that person describes seeing a man in his 20s with lots of wavy hair and no facial scruff, and that man is unaccounted for, the defense is going to want to know more. Jmo.

I’d be surprised if any persons involved with creating the sketches is critical during a trial considering nobody witnessed the actual murders taking place. I think the PCA basing RA’s arrest is viewed as if that’s all they got as the best bet to place RA at the crime scene. But no point assuming that’s the case, since we know the amount of discovery is vast. JMO
 
I found an article from February that reminded me of the infamous comment by DC about how this is a complex case with tentacles. There is a LOT of discovery...

Allen's defense attorneys told Special Judge Fran Gull they need more time to sift through files contained in five hard drives, each with terabytes of evidence, provided by prosecutors during discovery.

They say it takes a day to download the data from only one drive.
Troves of evidence set stage for Delphi homicide suspect's lengthy bail hearing


To give an idea of what terabytes hold:

With 2 TB of data, you can store an average of 200,000 photos with today's smartphones, and roughly 500,000 documents can fit on a 2TB drive.
How much is 2TB of data storage? | Internxt Help Center

What in the world would that discovery be about. The PCA, which I realize didn’t contain everything LE has on RA, is pretty sparse. (By that I don’t mean to suggest they don’t have important evidence.) As usual, LE has to withhold stuff from us.
My point is the information in the PCA doesn’t seem to indicate this amount of discovery to pass along.
Are those hard drives filled with the 50,000 tips that came in and the defense is planning on going through them all?
 
What in the world would that discovery be about. The PCA, which I realize didn’t contain everything LE has on RA, is pretty sparse. (By that I don’t mean to suggest they don’t have important evidence.) As usual, LE has to withhold stuff from us.
My point is the information in the PCA doesn’t seem to indicate this amount of discovery to pass along.
Are those hard drives filled with the 50,000 tips that came in and the defense is planning on going through them all?
That's the thing. There is so much we don't know, yet suddenly we're supposed to completely dismiss the vastly opposing sketches, NMcL saying others might be involved, the catfishing, the colossal amount of evidence, DC calling it complex with tentacles, etc, and just jump on board the idea that RA randomly came across these two girls out alone and killed them. The rest is simply decoration. Man, I mean maybe that's what happened, I'm willing to accept it. In fact it's what I thought for a very long time. But at this point, how are people here so sure of that? Who here gets to decide which information is significant and which isn't? NMcL states that the Ks are part of the investigation at a public PC, but we're not allowed to talk about it here. The sketch is still being used, but it has no significance here. A gag order is in place, but somehow everyone's figured out what is going on in the case here. I don't understand why I feel so unsure about things when others seem so certain.
 
I found an article from February that reminded me of the infamous comment by DC about how this is a complex case with tentacles. There is a LOT of discovery...

Allen's defense attorneys told Special Judge Fran Gull they need more time to sift through files contained in five hard drives, each with terabytes of evidence, provided by prosecutors during discovery.

They say it takes a day to download the data from only one drive.
Troves of evidence set stage for Delphi homicide suspect's lengthy bail hearing


To give an idea of what terabytes hold:

With 2 TB of data, you can store an average of 200,000 photos with today's smartphones, and roughly 500,000 documents can fit on a 2TB drive.
How much is 2TB of data storage? | Internxt Help Center
Wow. That's a WHOLE buncha evidence. Way more than they've told us by a LOT. I wonder what it could be and if we'll ever find out?
 
And that's exactly what I'm curious about. The sketches themselves aren't evidence, I realize, but the defense is sure to want to talk to the source of the YBG sketch (drawn on 2/17/17 and the one still on the ISP and FBI sites). They are going to want to hear for themselves what that person saw, because if that person describes seeing a man in his 20s with lots of wavy hair and no facial scruff, and that man is unaccounted for, the defense is going to want to know more. Jmo.

I wonder if the witnesses that saw BG: 1) The lady who was at the bridge who walked back away from the bridge as he was approaching it 2) the teens who saw him at Freedom Bridge and 3) person who saw him muddy and bloody near the road back to his car... are NOT the one that help make the YBG sketch?

If so, they won't be at trial.. unless the defense uses the discovery documents to identify who that person was who gave that description.

I still think the YBG sketch will ultimately end up being a nothingburger.
 
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Youtube version with BG @ 4:38

In order to grab the Screen capture @ 4:38, I had to slow the NewsNation video to 25% its original speed. Otherwise, the image of BG flashes rather quickly.

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They photoshopped (or whatever) his pic into the frame. At least that's MOO. We'd have seen this by now from LE/MSM, not NewsNation, if it was factual.

All MOO.
 
They photoshopped (or whatever) his pic into the frame. At least that's MOO. We'd have seen this by now from LE/MSM, not NewsNation, if it was factual.

All MOO.

Why would NewsNation wish to photoshop BG into the video for a split second?

PCA informs that Victim 1 is walking while a male subject walks behind her just like in the SS I posted. (Pg 7)
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Abby was wearing the same shirt on the bridge as when pitching softball with her Grandpa the weekend before. Looks like maybe her pink and black jacket tossed on the concrete post.


View attachment 416071AW's Grandpa's emotions are really difficult to watch but his story is poignant.

Exclusive: Abby's grandpa talks about losing her
OK, that got me a little teary eyed and that's not like me. I'm very glad her grandpa got to hang out with her before losing her. Sounds like they had a good time.

And I just noticed that her shirt looks too be the same shade of pink as your dress @DeDee. :)
 
Why would NewsNation wish to photoshop BG into the video for a split second?

PCA informs that Victim 1 is walking while a male subject walks behind her just like in the SS I posted. (Pg 7)
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Why not? And why haven't we seen it before? You'd think LE would have put that out long ago. Or at least I'd think they would but I could always be wrong. :)

Also, she's at exactly the same place on the bridge, in the same position with her body, head, etc.. as this pic and BG isn't in it.

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Youtube version with BG @ 4:38

In order to grab the Screen capture @ 4:38, I had to slow the NewsNation video to 25% its original speed. Otherwise, the image of BG flashes rather quickly.

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From the same video @ 6:09 is the first time I've seen BG's right hand. Is that a gun he's about to draw? Barrel length appears longer than expected of a .40 Sig Sauer, if it his weapon. JMHO

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Youtube version with BG @ 4:38

In order to grab the Screen capture @ 4:38, I had to slow the NewsNation video to 25% its original speed. Otherwise, the image of BG flashes rather quickly.

View attachment 416033
I went back to listen to what exactly was being said in the vid just prior to what I believe is NN inserting BGs pic to be seen behind Abby. This is what is said on the vid starting at 4:23:

"At approximately 2:05pm Libby posts to Snapchat this picture of the Monon High bridge."
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"At 2:07 she posts this picture of Abby walking across the bridge."
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"It was the last correspondence from either of them. Hours passed. Nearly dark, and nobody could reach the girls."

So IMHO, IF there really is a pic that Libby took of BG that close behind Abby... I'd think we'd have seen it and heard about it before now. I also think it would have been pointed out in the vid verbally, like.. "The man seen approaching Abby is <fill in the blank. Such as... wanted for questioning, of interest to police, etc.)". Yet they don't say a word about it and you'd think they would. But instead, they/NN (IMO) added his pic from another photo Libby took that you could only see if you slowed down the vid to .25 playback speed.

I can't find a single solitary picture of the 2 of them on the bridge that Libby took. You'd think one would be out there if it exists. Results here.

Sounds sus to me, although I do have recipes at the ready should I need to eat my hat. LOL :p

Source.
 
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I went back to listen to what exactly was being said in the vid just prior to what I believe is NN inserting BGs pic to be seen behind Abby. This is what is said on the vid starting at 4:23:

"At approximately 2:05pm Libby posts to Snapchat this picture of the Monon High bridge."
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"At 2:07 she posts this picture of Abby walking across the bridge."
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"It was the last correspondence from either of them. Hours passed. Nearly dark, and nobody could reach the girls."

So IMHO, IF there really is a pic that Libby took of BG that close behind Abby... I'd think we'd have seen it and heard about it before now. I also think it would have been pointed out in the vid verbally, like.. "The man seen approaching Abby is <fill in the blank. Such as... wanted for questioning, of interest to police, etc.)". Yet they don't say a word about it and you'd think they would. But instead, they/NN (IMO) added his pic from another photo Libby took that you could only see if you slowed down thee vid to .25 playback speed.

I can't find a single solitary picture of the 2 of them on the bridge that Libby took. You'd think one would be out there if it exists. Results here.

Sounds sus to me, although I do have recipes at the ready should I need to eat my hat. LOL :p

Source.

Neither had I seen an image of both of them, AW & BG, on the Bridge at the same time. It's the reason I posted it. In the SS from NN of the two of them, I see a huge smudge on our right side of the Bridge near the platform next to BG. When enlarging the area of the platform where the smudge is in the woods, it makes that area appear blurry sans no trees at all. I detest photoshopped images, btw!

I spoke to a friend about the SS over dinner. Friend said, ihoo, that MSM, movie-makers, etal will oftentimes insert subliminal messages into programming. My apologies are extended for I didn't intend to cause you unnecessary work but do appreciate your sharing the jconline link of key moments.

It seems to me, if such an image exists, LE would not have shown the public due to the terrifying nature. It may scare and frighten the public to see him near Abby and may be especially hard for locals to handle.

JMHOO
 
From the same video @ 6:09 is the first time I've seen BG's right hand. Is that a gun he's about to draw? Barrel length appears longer than expected of a .40 Sig Sauer, if it his weapon. JMHO

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Until today I always thought, BG pulled the white "thing", looking out of his jacket at the seam, assuming it might be the end of the white "thing", which is also looking out of his jacket under his chin ..... I never saw a weapon, except the outline of a gun on his jacket to his top right (pic= left). - Maybe, I was always wrong with it. Idk.
 
Youtube version with BG @ 4:38

In order to grab the Screen capture @ 4:38, I had to slow the NewsNation video to 25% its original speed. Otherwise, the image of BG flashes rather quickly.

View attachment 416033
Now BG is seen on the bridge, but to the pic-right of him (beside the bridge) the space has been made unrecognizable, where some of us saw something like perhaps different men around trees. We aren't allowed to see it all, it seems. Either ... or. Or nothing at all. o_O
 
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