IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #163

[steeltowngirl]

Subpoenas issued for facilities with ties to Delphi suspect Richard Allen

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland submitted the request for records and documents on April 20, 2023.

www.wthr.com

Richard Allen's former employer, former prison housing facility subpoenaed is Delphi case

As background work continues ahead of the murder trial of Richard Allen, two new subpoenas were filed this week — one for his former employer and one for his former prison housing facility.

www.wrtv.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

Subpoenas issued for facilities with ties to Delphi suspect Richard Allen

Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland submitted the request for records and documents on April 20, 2023.

www.wthr.com

Richard Allen's former employer, former prison housing facility subpoenaed is Delphi case

As background work continues ahead of the murder trial of Richard Allen, two new subpoenas were filed this week — one for his former employer and one for his former prison housing facility.

www.wrtv.com

RA running the long con IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

RIP Abby and Libby.

I wish they could RIP, but I don't think that will happen until someone is tried and convicted for their murder.

Justice then RIP. MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

RA running the long con IMO.

WOW, just wow! From the MSM link you posted above, @girlhasnoname:

"Among his attorney's grievances were:

• Allen's cell being 6 feet by 10 feet in size
• Him sleeping on a pad on a concrete floor
• Only allowed to shower one to two times per week
• Required to wear the same clothes, including underwear, for days that are soiled, stained, tattered and torn
• No opportunity for Allen to visit his wife or family members in the past five months
• The electronic tablet he uses to call family members is monitored by prison officials and the cost of the calls are being borne by Allen and his family
• Allen is afforded very little recreational time
• Information Allen's attorneys provided to him to review as part of his defense on March 24 are yet to be provided to him, as of April 3.
• It is difficult for his attorneys to meet with him given his segregation and isolation, which keeps him from being able to assist in his defense."

 

[FrostedGlass]

One of these went to CVS and one went to Westville according to @steeltowngirl's links.

05/03/2023	Subpoena/Summons Filed Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/03/2023	Subpoena/Summons Filed Filed By: State of Indiana File Stamp: 05/03/2023
06/15/2023	Hearing Session: 06/15/2023 8:30 AM, Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Session: 06/16/2023 8:30 AM, Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

WOW, just wow! From the MSM link you posted above, @girlhasnoname:

"Among his attorney's grievances were:

• Allen's cell being 6 feet by 10 feet in size
• Him sleeping on a pad on a concrete floor
• Only allowed to shower one to two times per week
• Required to wear the same clothes, including underwear, for days that are soiled, stained, tattered and torn
• No opportunity for Allen to visit his wife or family members in the past five months
• The electronic tablet he uses to call family members is monitored by prison officials and the cost of the calls are being borne by Allen and his family
• Allen is afforded very little recreational time
• Information Allen's attorneys provided to him to review as part of his defense on March 24 are yet to be provided to him, as of April 3.
• It is difficult for his attorneys to meet with him given his segregation and isolation, which keeps him from being able to assist in his defense."

Since the information of the attorney's grievances was made public a month ago, and already thoroughly discussed in this thread beginning April 6, MOO, I think the intent of the article was to announce the prosecutor's subpoenas, as is in the headline, and the inclusion of the old information is for reference. Is this a preemptive step? Is the prosecutor concerned that the defense will pursue this issue and impact the trial?
I can see why the prosecutor would want to subpoena his former employer's records, as they should be scoured for any possible evidence. The prosecutor is doing the right thing to get ahead of any possible claims by the defense. I'm sure no one wants to have the Delphi case become a precautionary tale. The last two items are no laughing matter and I think it's good that RA has already been moved. Apparently, the court decided it was appropriate, which of course, does not mean that all of the attorney's statements were accepted as indications of unfair treatment or circumstances. The path to the end goal here is to get RA convicted and sentenced.

• Information Allen's attorneys provided to him to review as part of his defense on March 24 are yet to be provided to him, as of April 3.
• It is difficult for his attorneys to meet with him given his segregation and isolation, which keeps him from being able to assist in his defense."

 

[twall]

Ft. Wayne news article pertaining to the new policy allowing cameras in courtrooms in Indiana.

Cameras allowed in Indiana courtrooms as of Monday

After an Indiana Supreme Court ruling, cameras were officially allowed inside Indiana courtrooms on Monday under the new policy.

www.wane.com

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Since the information of the attorney's grievances was made public a month ago, and already thoroughly discussed in this thread beginning April 6, MOO, I think the intent of the article was to announce the prosecutor's subpoenas, as is in the headline, and the inclusion of the old information is for reference. Is this a preemptive step? Is the prosecutor concerned that the defense will pursue this issue and impact the trial?
I can see why the prosecutor would want to subpoena his former employer's records, as they should be scoured for any possible evidence. The prosecutor is doing the right thing to get ahead of any possible claims by the defense. I'm sure no one wants to have the Delphi case become a precautionary tale. The last two items are no laughing matter and I think it's good that RA has already been moved. Apparently, the court decided it was appropriate, which of course, does not mean that all of the attorney's statements were accepted as indications of unfair treatment or circumstances. The path to the end goal here is to get RA convicted and sentenced.

• Information Allen's attorneys provided to him to review as part of his defense on March 24 are yet to be provided to him, as of April 3.
• It is difficult for his attorneys to meet with him given his segregation and isolation, which keeps him from being able to assist in his defense."

I just have some things to say about each of the last two items.

—There is nothing to prevent RA’s attorneys or one of their assistants from delivering legal papers to him, sitting with him, and going over each and every one of them. It might be difficult, it might be unpleasant but it is doable, and guess what…that’s their job!
—If RA is not the sharpest tack on the board, for whatever reason, then they need to sit and explain things, because that’s their job.
—Actually having contact with their client even in an icky prison is their job.
—What attorney requires their client to read through hundreds of pages of legal documents by themselves. They…or the State of Indiana…are paying them to do that, not RA.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I just have some things to say about each of the last two items.

—There is nothing to prevent RA’s attorneys or one of their assistants from delivering legal papers to him, sitting with him, and going over each and every one of them. It might be difficult, it might be unpleasant but it is doable, and guess what…that’s their job!
—If RA is not the sharpest tack on the board, for whatever reason, then they need to sit and explain things, because that’s their job.
—Actually having contact with their client even in an icky prison is their job.
—What attorney requires their client to read through hundreds of pages of legal documents by themselves. They…or the State of Indiana…are paying them to do that, not RA.

I have already addressed these issues in depth starting April 6. There are limited by appointments only visits allowed. They have time slots that you must select from. The prison doesn't have enough staffing. It has nothing to do with the icky prison conditions, it is the limited access to the client and no ability to spend days at a time going over the records with him in a private room, while staff is tied up because of him. It's a prison, it's not a place set up to accommodate defendants preparing for trial who are almost always held in the jail of the jurisdiction they are being tried in.
Not to mention going over all the evidence, possible testimony of each witness and him, etc.
RA would not have access to the mountain of paperwork for his case without being put in a room with his attorney.

They have already moved him so this issue is not important unless his attorneys pursue this as an issue. Easy if they only need a continuance, as this is expectedly repeatedly in a murder trial. The prosecutor has subpoenaed his in-custody records. To me, it's a defensive action, preparing just in case.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Ft. Wayne news article pertaining to the new policy allowing cameras in courtrooms in Indiana.

Cameras allowed in Indiana courtrooms as of Monday

After an Indiana Supreme Court ruling, cameras were officially allowed inside Indiana courtrooms on Monday under the new policy.

www.wane.com

Hamilton County to Allow Cameras In Its Courtrooms

NOBLESVILLE, Ind.–Cameras are now allowed in Hamilton County’s Circuit and Superior Courts. The Indiana Supreme Court has given trial court judges the authority to decide whether or not to accept requests for cameras in their courtrooms. “We are constitutionally required to have open courtrooms...

wibc.com

(SNIP)
"“COVID brought cameras into just about every courtroom. Live streaming became a necessity when our judicial buildings were closed to ensure we created a public forum and keep courts open to the public. So, a lot of that initial resistance to cameras in the courtroom went by the wayside. There will still be some judges who are hesitant to the idea, but there are others who are very eager to open their courtrooms and let the media in,” said Najjar."

Courts that live stream are diminishing in number, which surprises me due to the convenience for all involved. I'll be surprised if the new policy makes much of a difference. The news needs to have a desire to cover cases; which will likely be the high profile ones. It's always splashy when someone is arrested but by the time they have a trial, it's not easy to find news reports on the outcomes. MOO

Elkhart Circuit Court Judge Christofeno always live streams his court proceedings. He is winding down a murder trial tomorrow, from 8:30 am to 4 pm eastern time. Anyone can watch; there were 22 online late this afternoon.
Anyone interested in watching, you can go here: IN Court Streams - IN Court Streams There will be a list of streams, highlighted in blue.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I have already addressed these issues in depth starting April 6. There are limited by appointments only visits allowed. They have time slots that you must select from. The prison doesn't have enough staffing. It has nothing to do with the icky prison conditions, it is the limited access to the client and no ability to spend days at a time going over the records with him in a private room, while staff is tied up because of him. It's a prison, it's not a place set up to accommodate defendants preparing for trial who are almost always held in the jail of the jurisdiction they are being tried in.
Not to mention going over all the evidence, possible testimony of each witness and him, etc.
RA would not have access to the mountain of paperwork for his case without being put in a room with his attorney.

They have already moved him so this issue is not important unless his attorneys pursue this as an issue. Easy if they only need a continuance, as this is expectedly repeatedly in a murder trial. The prosecutor has subpoenaed his in-custody records. To me, it's a defensive action, preparing just in case.

And yet other attorneys seem to be able to navigate this.
It’s their job. Find a way.

 

[FrostedGlass]

New filings:

05/04/2023	Petition Filed Verified Request to Prohibit Public Access to a Court Record Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/04/2023	Motion to Quash Filed Motion to Quash Subpoena Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/04/2023	Motion to Quash Filed Motion to Quash Subpoena Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/04/2023	Motion to Quash Filed Motion to Quash Subpoena Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/04/2023	Motion to Quash Filed Motion to Quash Subpoena Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/04/2023	Petition Filed Verified Request to Prohibit Public Access to a Court Record Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023
05/04/2023	Motion to Reconsider Motion to Reconsider and Request for Due Process Hearing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 05/03/2023

 

[FrostedGlass]

And yet other attorneys seem to be able to navigate this.
It’s their job. Find a way.

Can we find other Indiana cases where attys have had to navigate the circumstances RA is in? None of the sources I've seen have been aware of cases like RA's. We've heard MS, Shay Hughes, RA's attys, even 2 ex-cons who have never heard of a presumed innocent person being sent to prison before his trial.

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

And yet other attorneys seem to be able to navigate this.
It’s their job. Find a way.

They navigate it in county jails, not in prisons.
There is no way around the restrictions of a prison, they have to do whatever is necessary with the limits of budgets and being short-staffed. A prison is concerned with keeping the staff and prisoners safe and maintaining control of the facility. Per their website, visitations are subject to cancellation if there is not enough staff available. Even phone calls are done by appointment, in-custody are not allowed to keep the phone call tablet in their cell.
He has been moved and the matter only resurfaces because it was related to the post about the prosecutor's subpoenaing the records. I've already given numerous links, starting April 6, giving information on the problems with him being held in prison and limited access for his attorneys. It may now never be a factor in the outcome of this trial.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Regarding the two subpoenas:
The one to Westville did not surprise me. After all, NMcL was a defense attorney before he was a prosecutor. He should be very well versed on defendants' rights.
The one to CVS did surprise me in that it took this long for him to seek that information. I would have guessed that was one of the early things he did.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Latest MS from yesterday:

The Delphi Murders: Recent Court Filings in the Cases of Richard Allen and Kegan Kline

We discuss the latest filings in the cases against Richard Allen and Kegan Kline, along with the lack of transparency around the case. Our episode on Kline's change of plea hearing: https://art19.com/shows/murder-sheet/episodes/8dfd58a0-3702-41a8-9fbf-9259890c6b10 Send tips to...

art19.com

 

[TL4S]

Do we know if RA has been moved out of Westville?

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Latest MS from yesterday:

The Delphi Murders: Recent Court Filings in the Cases of Richard Allen and Kegan Kline

We discuss the latest filings in the cases against Richard Allen and Kegan Kline, along with the lack of transparency around the case. Our episode on Kline's change of plea hearing: https://art19.com/shows/murder-sheet/episodes/8dfd58a0-3702-41a8-9fbf-9259890c6b10 Send tips to...

art19.com

So refreshing, two in row from MS, with solid (MOO) information. I do think she misses the mark with her comments about RA being at the prison. LE doesn't have anything to do with prison conditions and doesn't need to be defended against the defense attorney's claims. DOC was in charge of the placement and conditions but they have their own limitations for accommodating attorneys preparing for trial at that prison.

Who are these factual no drama no rumor people calling for reason and what have they done with the original MS couple?

 

[twall]

Do we know if RA has been moved out of Westville?

DELPHI — As background work continues ahead of the murder trial of Richard Allen, two new subpoenas were filed this week — one for his former employer and one for his former prison housing facility.

Richard Allen's former employer, former prison housing facility subpoenaed is Delphi case

As background work continues ahead of the murder trial of Richard Allen, two new subpoenas were filed this week — one for his former employer and one for his former prison housing facility.

www.wrtv.com

BBM-this reporter implies RA has been moved.

 

[sunshineray]

DELPHI — As background work continues ahead of the murder trial of Richard Allen, two new subpoenas were filed this week — one for his former employer and one for his former prison housing facility.

Richard Allen's former employer, former prison housing facility subpoenaed is Delphi case

As background work continues ahead of the murder trial of Richard Allen, two new subpoenas were filed this week — one for his former employer and one for his former prison housing facility.

www.wrtv.com

BBM-this reporter implies RA has been moved.

I kept searching him in Indiana prisons, state and counties, nobody of his name with M or Matthew as middle name. Nobody 50 or 51. Including thos previous two, middle initial and age, no Richard, Rick, Rich, Ricky or R. It's like he disappeared.

Is there a Federal prison they'd put him in? Maybe he's presently in a hospital facility somewhere not on prison grounds? Like NYC has Bellview, is there a state run mental institution near Logansport?