IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #163

[arielilane]

I wonder how many people think Richard Allen is guilty of the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German?

I know you cannot explain away the ballistics evidence in this case. But the strange thing is that the height of the man in the bridge video does not appear to be the same height as Richard Allen. My unscientific way of measuring the height of the man on the bridge has them at least 5' 9" tall.

Has anyone been able to prove that Richard Allen's height is the same height as the man in the bridge video?

Imo, RA is most likely the murderer, but I will wait to see all of the evidence presented. The ballistics evidence is damning. Additionally, the height in the grainy video (imo) is deceiving along with other aspects of BG in video.

Moo

 

[arielilane]

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Indiana State Police have claimed the “anthony_shots” account may be linked to the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi. Their bodies were found near the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 14, 2017.

Investigators believe someone using the account exchanged messages with Libby German in the 24 hours before the girls were killed.

Kline has not been publicly named a suspect in their deaths and has never been charged in the case.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Imo, RA is most likely the murderer, but I will wait to see all of the evidence presented. The ballistics evidence is damning. Additionally, the height in the grainy video (imo) is deceiving along with other aspects of BG in video.

Moo

I'll be happy to see "a" piece of solid evidence. If DNA from his cat was found at the scene, I'll take that. If DNA from one of the girls was found in his car, I'll take that, too.

It's incredible that he would murder 2 girls, place himself at the location, keep his clothes, car, gun and give several LE interviews without an atty present.

 

[FrostedGlass]

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Indiana State Police have claimed the “anthony_shots” account may be linked to the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi. Their bodies were found near the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 14, 2017.

Investigators believe someone using the account exchanged messages with Libby German in the 24 hours before the girls were killed.

Kline has not been publicly named a suspect in their deaths and has never been charged in the case.

Thanks for the link. Prosecution wants at least some his charges to run consecutively. That makes sense since they were the ones who filed the memorandum.

 

[somequestions]

I'll be happy to see "a" piece of solid evidence. If DNA from his cat was found at the scene, I'll take that. If DNA from one of the girls was found in his car, I'll take that, too.

It's incredible that he would murder 2 girls, place himself at the location, keep his clothes, car, gun and give several LE interviews without an atty present.

I sometimes wonder if he had never come forward to tell the conservation officer he was at the Monon High Bridge trail that day, would he have been arrested?

I agree that a piece of solid evidence would change my opinion about this case. If there was DNA of some sort or fingerprints, wouldn't it have been smarter to put that in the PCA and leave out the ballistics evidence?

This case will be wait and see until the trial happens and more of the evidence against Richard Allen is revealed. As of right now though, I wonder whether LE arrested the right person.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I'll be happy to see "a" piece of solid evidence. If DNA from his cat was found at the scene, I'll take that. If DNA from one of the girls was found in his car, I'll take that, too.

It's incredible that he would murder 2 girls, place himself at the location, keep his clothes, car, gun and give several LE interviews without an atty present.

Circumstantial evidence can be very d#mning.
Ask Alex Murdaugh.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Circumstantial evidence can be very d#mning.
Ask Alex Murdaugh.

No doubt. All kinds of strange things happen in murder trials.

However, if I was going to send a person away for the rest of his life, I would need to be very, very sure I was doing the right thing.

My least favorite trials are where a bunch of drug addicts are willing to lie on the witness stand to save themselves.

 

[TL4S]

No doubt. All kinds of strange things happen in murder trials.

However, if I was going to send a person away for the rest of his life, I would need to be very, very sure I was doing the right thing.

My least favorite trials are where a bunch of drug addicts are willing to lie on the witness stand to save themselves.

I'm really curious about animal hair DNA. In yesterday's MS episode, YouTuber RS said TK claimed his dog gave DNA. The RL affidavit included mention animal hair, as well. So I think it's likely that animal hair was found at the CS, but I'm curious what kind of animal (dog, cat, etc.). IMO, that would be compelling evidence. There were rumors that LE was digging up a dead cat at RA's place, although I don't think we know that for certain. But if there was only cat hair at the CS, why take TK's dog's DNA? Was there multiple species of hair found? What about RA's wife working at a vet clinic? What if there was a lot of animal hair found, from multiple animals? If RA and his wife shared that vehicle to and from their jobs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were multitudes of animals' hair in there to get on RA's clothing. But how hard would that be to prove who it was connected to? Or, would the mere fact point to someone with access to lots of animals and be more circumstantial evidence? Anyway, I'm rambling, but I've LONG suspected animal hair will play a role in this case. JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'll be happy to see "a" piece of solid evidence. If DNA from his cat was found at the scene, I'll take that. If DNA from one of the girls was found in his car, I'll take that, too.

It's incredible that he would murder 2 girls, place himself at the location, keep his clothes, car, gun and give several LE interviews without an atty present.

I’d like to know if he spoke to the conservation officer before or after the video of BG was released.

The second interview on 10/13 (which I suppose was really the first with LE) does surprise me if he had no attorney present.

The third interview on 10/26 amazes me. He came in voluntarily - still no lawyer? Even after a search warrant had been rendered and his home searched on 10/13.

It’s puzzling. Is he bold, stupid, insane, or innocent?

As an aside - I sure hope this won’t be another insanity case. Letecia Stauch and Darrell Brooks (before his plea change) were enough for me.

Delphi murders: How police pinned the 2017 slayings on Richard Allen

Richard Allen had been on the police radar for the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams since 2017 but walked free for more than five years until key evidence led to his arrest. Bevan Hurley and Rachel Sharp write

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Richard-Allen-Probable-Cause-Redacted.pdf

 

[FromGermany1]

I sometimes wonder if he had never come forward to tell the conservation officer he was at the Monon High Bridge trail that day, would he have been arrested?

I agree that a piece of solid evidence would change my opinion about this case. If there was DNA of some sort or fingerprints, wouldn't it have been smarter to put that in the PCA and leave out the ballistics evidence?

This case will be wait and see until the trial happens and more of the evidence against Richard Allen is revealed. As of right now though, I wonder whether LE arrested the right person.

A thought just now: Has someone seen RA at the PC in 2020, when DC said, the killer may well be in the room (or might be viewing on TV in the near vicinity)???

 

[FrostedGlass]

I'm really curious about animal hair DNA. In yesterday's MS episode, YouTuber RS said TK claimed his dog gave DNA. The RL affidavit included mention animal hair, as well. So I think it's likely that animal hair was found at the CS, but I'm curious what kind of animal (dog, cat, etc.). IMO, that would be compelling evidence. There were rumors that LE was digging up a dead cat at RA's place, although I don't think we know that for certain. But if there was only cat hair at the CS, why take TK's dog's DNA? Was there multiple species of hair found? What about RA's wife working at a vet clinic? What if there was a lot of animal hair found, from multiple animals? If RA and his wife shared that vehicle to and from their jobs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were multitudes of animals' hair in there to get on RA's clothing. But how hard would that be to prove who it was connected to? Or, would the mere fact point to someone with access to lots of animals and be more circumstantial evidence? Anyway, I'm rambling, but I've LONG suspected animal hair will play a role in this case. JMO.

When that issue first came up, I looked into the DNA issue. I didn't come up with a clear idea of how helpful it would be. However, they could start with color and texture to rule out some animals. TK's dog is brindle and white short hair, RL's was either white or cream longer hair. This link seems to point toward it being kind of iffy to test on dead cats.

We don't know of RL let his goats and horses go down to the creek.

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[FrostedGlass]

I’d like to know if he spoke to the conservation officer before or after the video of BG was released.

The second interview on 10/13 (which I suppose was really the first with LE) does surprise me if he had no attorney present.

The third interview on 10/26 amazes me. He came in voluntarily - still no lawyer? Even after a search warrant had been rendered and his home searched on 10/13.

It’s puzzling. Is he bold, stupid, insane, or innocent?

As an aside - I sure hope this won’t be another insanity case. Letecia Stauch and Darrell Brooks (before his plea change) were enough for me.

Delphi murders: How police pinned the 2017 slayings on Richard Allen

Richard Allen had been on the police radar for the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams since 2017 but walked free for more than five years until key evidence led to his arrest. Bevan Hurley and Rachel Sharp write

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Richard-Allen-Probable-Cause-Redacted.pdf

If he had an atty who told him and his wife it was ok to answer LE's questions (gun, clothing, etc), he should request a refund. moo.

Do we know exactly when they presented RA with a search warrant for his home and property?

 

[steeltowngirl]

If he had an atty who told him and his wife it was ok to answer LE's questions (gun, clothing, etc), he should request a refund. moo.

Do we know exactly when they presented RA with a search warrant for his home and property?

PCA says LE interviewed him and executed search warrant on 10/13. I assume he was not presented prior to that. He’d have cleaned stuff out. Not that they got much from the search anyhow, that we know of yet.

 

[FrostedGlass]

PCA says LE interviewed him and executed search warrant on 10/13. I assume he was not presented prior to that. He’d have cleaned stuff out. Not that they got much from the search anyhow, that we know of yet.

Did they have 2 search warrants?

I'd hate to have to go through all the news articles; so I'll say this could have been a rumor that they came back later in the day with a warrant for the vehicle.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Did they have 2 search warrants?

I'd hate to have to go through all the news articles; so I'll say this could have been a rumor that they came back later in the day with a warrant for the vehicle.

Idk, but I found this gem while searching. Don’t recall seeing this before.

NOTE: 13News is aware of media reports claiming a clerical error led to a delay in arresting Allen. FBI Indianapolis shared this statement in response to those claims:
"As stated in the past this is a complex multi-agency investigation. The implication that an alleged clerical error by an FBI employee caused years of delay in identifying this defendant is misleading. Our review of the matter shows FBI employees correctly followed established procedures."

Here's what we learned from the redacted court documents on why Richard Allen was arrested in the Delphi murders

The 12 pages of court documents include the decision to release a redacted version, murder charges and probable cause affidavit.

www.wthr.com

 

[Falling Down]

A thought just now: Has someone seen RA at the PC in 2020, when DC said, the killer may well be in the room (or might be viewing on TV in the near vicinity)???

@FromGermany1 , my guess would be he was watching at work at CVS, less than a half-mile from the PC. By the way, the PC was in 2019.

 

[TheVisual]

I'm really curious about animal hair DNA. In yesterday's MS episode, YouTuber RS said TK claimed his dog gave DNA. The RL affidavit included mention animal hair, as well. So I think it's likely that animal hair was found at the CS, but I'm curious what kind of animal (dog, cat, etc.). IMO, that would be compelling evidence. There were rumors that LE was digging up a dead cat at RA's place, although I don't think we know that for certain. But if there was only cat hair at the CS, why take TK's dog's DNA? Was there multiple species of hair found? What about RA's wife working at a vet clinic? What if there was a lot of animal hair found, from multiple animals? If RA and his wife shared that vehicle to and from their jobs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were multitudes of animals' hair in there to get on RA's clothing. But how hard would that be to prove who it was connected to? Or, would the mere fact point to someone with access to lots of animals and be more circumstantial evidence? Anyway, I'm rambling, but I've LONG suspected animal hair will play a role in this case. JMO.

And RA's wife works at a dog vet.

 

[Charlot123]

I sometimes wonder if he had never come forward to tell the conservation officer he was at the Monon High Bridge trail that day, would he have been arrested?

I agree that a piece of solid evidence would change my opinion about this case. If there was DNA of some sort or fingerprints, wouldn't it have been smarter to put that in the PCA and leave out the ballistics evidence?

This case will be wait and see until the trial happens and more of the evidence against Richard Allen is revealed. As of right now though, I wonder whether LE arrested the right person.

I sometimes wonder if DNA was found at the CS but it doesn't match RA hence allegations that he didn't do it alone?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’d like to know if he spoke to the conservation officer before or after the video of BG was released.

The second interview on 10/13 (which I suppose was really the first with LE) does surprise me if he had no attorney present.

The third interview on 10/26 amazes me. He came in voluntarily - still no lawyer? Even after a search warrant had been rendered and his home searched on 10/13.

It’s puzzling. Is he bold, stupid, insane, or innocent?

As an aside - I sure hope this won’t be another insanity case. Letecia Stauch and Darrell Brooks (before his plea change) were enough for me.

Delphi murders: How police pinned the 2017 slayings on Richard Allen

Richard Allen had been on the police radar for the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams since 2017 but walked free for more than five years until key evidence led to his arrest. Bevan Hurley and Rachel Sharp write

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Richard-Allen-Probable-Cause-Redacted.pdf

I think RA just felt confident talking to LE in October 22 because he had become complacent in literally getting away with murder for so long. Plus, getting an attorney would have raised more red flags and I believe he thought he could talk his way right out of things.

I don't see an insanity defense working here either. Unlike Stauch, where the State had to prove she was not insane, RA/Defense would have to prove his insanity.

He was able to maintain a long term family relationship, had a stable work history as a licensed Pharmacy Tech, had good social interaction skills according to customer and also people at a local bar where he frequented and played in pool tournaments.

Evil hiding in plain sight IMO.

JMO

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Under Indian law, the rationale of insanity as a defence is incorporated in Section 84 of the Indian Penal Code, 1860, and is based upon the “Mc’Naughten’s Rule.” The burden of proof is always on the defendant, and it has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The Law Commission of India in its 42nd report, made an effort to reanalyze Section 84, but no modifications were made.

Insanity as a defence under the Indian Penal Code.

 

[arielilane]

Aren’t we all creatures of habit? Doing same things in the same way… leaving clothes around? If RA is BG, I’m betting those jeans and Carhartt jacket was found in a closet by LE. Speculation. Moo