IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #165

[DeDee]

They can't disclose the crime scene signatures, but I think, they would have been helpful. Something with a connection to CVS perhaps?

Maybe RA was not as bold as to use any logo of CVS but what about s/t related to the photo dept?

Were there photos scattered about the CS, perhaps? RA's looks fit my impression of BG. His beer belly is stuffed into that bleu jacket which, in turn, appeared to be packed with a kidnapping and kill kit. So odd that his criminal record is clean.

When the searchers reached the bodies, why didn't they immediately know and realize what they'd found there? Maybe pictures, pictures of dolls, were hanging from the trees. Did he bandage their wounds with supplies from the pharmacy? RA was with them long enough to create a scene, in order to tell a macabre story, if you will.

This theory is not likely since in all of the years not one person has leaked news of a photo being found at the CS.

 

[Ravenmoon]

One of the teenagers that witnessed the killer Walk past them mentioned that he walked with his head down and as if he had a purpose.

RA said he was watching a stock ticker on his phone.

We know that LG had Yellow, or Yubo app.

But, did you know that a" new" feature for 2017 on Yellow showed "Friends" your location?

Maybe RA was watching A& L s location, anticipating their arrival.Yellow - A New Dangerous App You Need to Know About


EBM

FOR the super messy grammar I used.

 

[Megnut]

One of the teenagers that witnessed the killer Walk past them mentioned that he walked with his head down and as if he had a purpose.

RA said he was watching a stock ticker on his phone.

We know that LG had Yellow, or Yubo app.

But, did you know that a" new" feature for 2017 on Yellow that have "Friends" you location?

Maybe RA was watching A& L s location, anticipating their arrival.Yellow - A New Dangerous App You Need to Know About

I absolutely believe he was tracking them.

I believe they were encouraged by a catfisher to go to the bridge and document it.

Innocent, carefree as ever.

While being tracked to within an inch of their lives...

Until the last inch was also exploited.

Predator had them in his sights.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

His confessions, to mother and wife, might be 100% true and LE will know, I believe.

Whatever he said, it was enough for his wife to “end the call abruptly” which would seem to indicate she took what he said seriously. As opposed to him making stuff up to feel sorry for himself or seek sympathy from her regarding his imprisonment.

I thought admitting to it several times to be very significant as well. JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/us/delphi-murders-richard-allen/index.html#:~:text=Allen%20admits%20that%20he%20committed,document%20went%20on%20to%20say.

“Investigators had the phone call transcribed and the transcription confirms that Richard M. Allen admits that he committed the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. He admits several times within the phone call that he committed the offenses as charged. His wife, Kathy Allen, ends the phone call abruptly,” the document went on to say…”

 

[rosesfromangels]

His confessions, to mother and wife, might be 100% true and LE will know, I believe.

Most especially if he revealed details about the crime scene that only the Perp could know...

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[MistyWaters]

Most especially if he revealed details about the crime scene that only the Perp could know...

Amateur opinion and speculation

Even if he didn’t reveal unknown details about the crime, IMO a jury will have a difficult time understanding why he’d admit his guilt to his wife (and mother?) of all people if he truly was innocent, given his mental health didn’t appear to be a factor.

Prior false confessions have occurred during long and manipulative police interrogations but this wasn’t the case here at all. If the question was posed to him “did you do it?” there’s no reason he couldn’t have denied it, if he was innocent. That he didn’t leaves me to wonder if he‘d grown weary of the deception? Maybe he believed his wife would stand with him regardless hopeful of those marriage vows “for better or worse”?

 

[schooling]

Whatever he said, it was enough for his wife to “end the call abruptly” which would seem to indicate she took what he said seriously. As opposed to him making stuff up to feel sorry for himself or seek sympathy from her regarding his imprisonment.

I thought admitting to it several times to be very significant as well. JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/us/delphi-murders-richard-allen/index.html#:~:text=Allen%20admits%20that%20he%20committed,document%20went%20on%20to%20say.

“Investigators had the phone call transcribed and the transcription confirms that Richard M. Allen admits that he committed the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. He admits several times within the phone call that he committed the offenses as charged. His wife, Kathy Allen, ends the phone call abruptly,” the document went on to say…”

I keep trying to put myself in her shoes....

The only way I would have hung up the phone is if 1) I had suspected at some point that he/she was capable and 2) what they were saying sounded plausible and connected to #1.

If I hung up it wouldn't be to protect him/her. it would be because the dread from the realization that the suspicions ive been writing off are actually true. And not wanting to come to terms with the horror of it all.

 

[MistyWaters]

I keep trying to put myself in her shoes....

The only way I would have hung up the phone is if 1) I had suspected at some point that he/she was capable and 2) what they were saying sounded plausible and connected to #1.

If I hung up it wouldn't be to protect him/her. it would be because the dread from the realization that the suspicions ive been writing off are actually true. And not wanting to come to terms with the horror of it all.

Agree and I can only think of one possible reason to admit that to a spouse, not once but several times - to intentionally hurt her. So if I was sitting on a jury, I’d need to hear a real good reason he falsely admitted to it, to erase the perception that he’s a hurtful, spiteful and malicious person, the same type of characteristics that might make one capable of murder.

That’s why I think his admitting to it is extremely significant to the outcome of this case, no matter which way one looks at it. JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

One of the teenagers that witnessed the killer Walk past them mentioned that he walked with his head down and as if he had a purpose.

RA said he was watching a stock ticker on his phone.

We know that LG had Yellow, or Yubo app.

But, did you know that a" new" feature for 2017 on Yellow showed "Friends" your location?

Maybe RA was watching A& L s location, anticipating their arrival.Yellow - A New Dangerous App You Need to Know About


EBM

FOR the super messy grammar I used.

I can imagine, A/L knew of this new technology very well and didn't see it as dangerous, but "funny" maybe and an exciting tool for connecting with other people (all the more exciting, if connecting with strangers of the same age). BUT the girls perhaps didn't expect, in their youthful carelessness, to be followed/stalked by nasty adult men, who had bad intentions.

 

[FromGermany1]

Agree and I can only think of one possible reason to admit that to a spouse, not once but several times - to intentionally hurt her. So if I was sitting on a jury, I’d need to hear a real good reason he falsely admitted to it, to erase the perception that he’s a hurtful, spiteful and malicious person, the same type of characteristics that might make one capable of murder.

That’s why I think his admitting to it is extremely significant to the outcome of this case, no matter which way one looks at it. JMO

I believe, he confessed to his wife and his mother, after he had access to the indictment and the evidence. He tried to eat the paper/s in a fit of total realization, that he indeed had been exposed. There was nothing to shake about that now and he knew, his family would learn of all of it in the near future. Probably RA tried to sugarcoat his deeds by making great excuses and explanations while confessing. His wife/his mother should hear the "whole truth" directly by him, only that it was half of the truth for now. He confessed to the murders "as charged", so I think, it was only the bare minimum, what he told them. Out of sheer horror, his relatives will not have asked anything additional, I assume. MOO

 

[TL4S]

I believe, he confessed to his wife and his mother, after he had access to the indictment and the evidence. He tried to eat the paper/s in a fit of total realization, that he indeed had been exposed. There was nothing to shake about that now and he knew, his family would learn of all of it in the near future. Probably RA tried to sugarcoat his deeds by making great excuses and explanations while confessing. His wife/his mother should hear the "whole truth" directly by him, only that it was half of the truth for now. He confessed to the murders "as charged", so I think, it was only the bare minimum, what he told them. Out of sheer horror, his relatives will not have asked anything additional, I assume. MOO

This is a valid idea. IRL, I knew someone who did this very thing. He would call his wife, knowing full well the calls were recorded and monitored, and he'd tell her things that seemed so obviously an attempt to give himself a defense, like basically making it sound like he did what he did because he was forced into it. It was such BS, but in his case, he thought he could outwit the system. My guess is this stuff happens every day, especially when someone can see the evidence against them is solid.

I have no idea if this is what RA did, or why he gave admissions of guilt, or why his wife hung up...we don't know nearly enough to be certain. But manipulation by a guilty man is not off the table for me. JMO.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think the recent posts about RA's alleged confessions to his wife and others, and the topic of his guilt or innocence are super important. Even in this thread there is seemingly a debate about basic facts of the case, and how that translates to guilt or innocence. This, is exactly what a defense attorney dreams of, and will aspire to do in trial. Create doubt...reasonable doubt.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Pyrite]

I think the recent posts about RA's alleged confessions to his wife and others, and the topic of his guilt or innocence are super important. Even in this thread there is seemingly a debate about basic facts of the case, and how that translates to guilt or innocence. This, is exactly what a defense attorney dreams of, and will aspire to do in trial. Create doubt...reasonable doubt.

Amateur opinion and speculation

IMO the difference between us and the Jury is that the Jury will hear the recordings and will have context we don’t have here at WS. Although I would guess if the confessions are a slam dunk for the prosecutors, the case will never go to trial, unless the DA refuses to take death off the table. In that case RA will roll the dice on a trial, because why not?

while I support the death penalty, at RA’s age I expect he will be dead before it is ever administered, so the DA will deal.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m curious what was on the papers that RA was eating.
Evidence? Confession? Divorce papers?

 

[TL4S]

I’m curious what was on the papers that RA was eating.
Evidence? Confession? Divorce papers?

I don't know why, but I feel like it might have been something terrible, like something related to the crime scene, because he didn't want to see/read it, and he didn't want anyone else to see/read it, because maybe it showed how odd his behavior was that day.

This is also why I suspect he might eventually plead guilty if the evidence really is stacked against him. He might not want all that happened during the murders to be put before the court in trial. Whatever happened to make RI repeat multiple times that the crime scene was odd, strange, bizarre, etc. might be the last thing RA wants publicized. Jmo.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't think we need to overthink this.

The guy is not some highly sophisticated criminal mastermind. He had a bunch of luck to get away with this for so many years. Then he got caught and the walls are closing in so he fessed up.

 

[FromGermany1]

I don't think we need to overthink this.

The guy is not some highly sophisticated criminal mastermind. He had a bunch of luck to get away with this for so many years. Then he got caught and the walls are closing in so he fessed up.

THIS (RA) is not the "highly sophisticated criminal mastermind", I for example searched for since 2017. Just saying .... The "mastermind" turned out to be an average, disturbed person. I would never ever have thought!
ETA: It doesn't matter, which black and white shoes he wore or which white thing was hanging around his neck or if the supposed belt bag was really a belt bag - he's not, who I thought he was. Then it may just be like that. Agreed.

 

[rosesfromangels]

THIS (RA) is not the "highly sophisticated criminal mastermind", I for example searched for since 2017. Just saying .... The "mastermind" turned out to be an average, disturbed person. I would never ever have thought!
ETA: It doesn't matter, which black and white shoes he wore or which white thing was hanging around his neck or if the supposed belt bag was really a belt bag - he's not, who I thought he was. Then it may just be like that. Agreed.

BBM. A great call out for many of the cases/threads we follow. Often times it's not that frothing at the mouth mastermind lunatic, it's just an average disturbed person living in plain sight....

Great call out FromGermany1

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’m curious what was on the papers that RA was eating.
Evidence? Confession? Divorce papers?

Maybe he was pulling a 'Frazee' and ate the paper towel with hit man instructions.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't know why, but I feel like it might have been something terrible, like something related to the crime scene, because he didn't want to see/read it, and he didn't want anyone else to see/read it, because maybe it showed how odd his behavior was that day.

This is also why I suspect he might eventually plead guilty if the evidence really is stacked against him. He might not want all that happened during the murders to be put before the court in trial. Whatever happened to make RI repeat multiple times that the crime scene was odd, strange, bizarre, etc. might be the last thing RA wants publicized. Jmo.

I totally agree TL. I think he knew if the inmates caught wind of something so atrocious (speculation) he'd be done for.

Do you think the State would even offer a plea? I just don't see that happening after all the time and resources spent of this case, BUT if they did, I'd bet RA would jump at it.

As awful as it is to think, I believe RA might off himself rather than go to a public trial and I've never said that about any other Defendant on WS.

MOO