IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #165

[MistyWaters]

I found this article that was originally posted on June 28 and it was just updated on Aug 30. I have no idea what the updated info is. It does have the document dump, showing 284 pages; did we ever get a page count from the dump on the 28th? That one has 118 "items".

Judge unseals more than 100 documents related to Delphi Murders Trial, including Richard Allen's 'admissions'

This morning, Special Judge Fran Gull, who is overseeing the Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen, unsealed numerous documents relating to the case.

www.wrtv.com

Wayback Machine is a handy tool. This is a capture of the wrtv news report back from June 29 if you want to seek out what was updated yesterday.

Judge unseals more than 100 documents related to Delphi Murders Trial, including Richard Allen's 'admissions'

This morning, Special Judge Fran Gull, who is overseeing the Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen, unsealed numerous documents relating to the case.

web.archive.org

 

[FrostedGlass]

Wayback Machine is a handy tool. This is a capture of the wrtv news report back from June 29 if you want to seek out what was updated yesterday.

Judge unseals more than 100 documents related to Delphi Murders Trial, including Richard Allen's 'admissions'

This morning, Special Judge Fran Gull, who is overseeing the Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen, unsealed numerous documents relating to the case.

web.archive.org

Thanks. From what I see, the only difference is they had added newer articles. The text is the same. I can't tell if they added any new filings to the doc dump so I'll assume they did not.

 

[M. Kay]

Recently, after more info has been released, I am thinking in the direction of the perpetrator perhaps was interested in weird photo materials on the internet and to gain access to that, perhaps he needed to provide something of his own. So perhaps his mission that day was to create something like that. I think there is a reason why LE seems to have been looking for electronics to store/share photo materials...

Isn't it possible RA used his photo processing access at CVS to create 'weird' criminal material? Could be that raid on his shed (between his home and his workplace) revealed ugly evidence for trade or sale. Yet, over five years afterward, anything related to murders?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I don't know how it all went down, but like you, I want to know what the hell happened out there that day. And why. A man who has lived in the general region his entire life just suddenly snaps? Leaving lots of physical evidence, an odd crime scene, signatures, and two victims, all for his seemingly first and only killing at 45 years old? A man who has owned a gun since 2001 and lived only a few miles from the trail system, but that day just happened to be the day everything changed for him? I just don't get it.

I want to know WHAT OTHER murders he has committed. Seems highly unlikely it was his first

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[minazoe]

Wayback Machine is a handy tool. This is a capture of the wrtv news report back from June 29 if you want to seek out what was updated yesterday.

Judge unseals more than 100 documents related to Delphi Murders Trial, including Richard Allen's 'admissions'

This morning, Special Judge Fran Gull, who is overseeing the Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen, unsealed numerous documents relating to the case.

web.archive.org

omigod they are giving Richard hell in jail! lol

 

[FromGermany1]

Did you also notice, that many of us hesitate to consider RA as the real culprit? It is said again and again "IF he is the culprit, then..." I've put it that way myself. Why do we always have SLIGHT doubts, that he's the killer, even though he has confessed?
Because he doesn't look like the (younger) identikit?
Because he doesn't look mean/nasty enough?
Because he doesn't look like he could be any younger than his real age, which has been estimated to be between 18 and 40?
Because we don't know anything or little about his past?
Because we can't imagine the motive?
Because he has a daughter of a similar age himself?
Because nobody seems to know about him, that he behaved in a conspicuous manner in the months after the crime?

I think, DN or JBC or KAK - to name only 3 - we would have accepted as perpetrators without any circumstances. Probably, because they seem to be or indeed are more criminal than the RA, we know of until now, and that is expected of an evil double murderer.

 

[MichMan015]

I think most people recognize that he is innocent until proven guilty, therefore they make comments less slanderous.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Did you also notice, that many of us hesitate to consider RA as the real culprit? It is said again and again "IF he is the culprit, then..." I've put it that way myself. Why do we always have SLIGHT doubts, that he's the killer, even though he has confessed?
Because he doesn't look like the (younger) identikit?
Because he doesn't look mean/nasty enough?
Because he doesn't look like he could be any younger than his real age, which has been estimated to be between 18 and 40?
Because we don't know anything or little about his past?
Because we can't imagine the motive?
Because he has a daughter of a similar age himself?
Because nobody seems to know about him, that he behaved in a conspicuous manner in the months after the crime?

I think, DN or JBC or KAK - to name only 3 - we would have accepted as perpetrators without any circumstances. Probably, because they seem to be or indeed are more criminal than the RA, we know of until now, and that is expected of an evil double murderer.

My own hesitation stems from what we do not yet know. What was RA’s motive? Was the attack random or targeted? The other suspects had a known criminal history, RA does not. I had expected to hear of a connection between the a_shots profile and RA. It either doesn’t exist, or is well-guarded evidence to be presented at trial.

However, with the certainty LE expressed about RA’s guilt, along with his own phone confessions, I’m feeling less hesitation.

Patiently waiting for the trial to piece it all together.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think most people recognize that he is innocent until proven guilty, therefore they make comments less slanderous.

Yes, in a court of law RA is innocent until proven guilty, but not on a true crime message board. We are allowed to have opinions based on the facts as we individually interpret them.

They finally got their man IMO.

 

[Gemmie]

Did you also notice, that many of us hesitate to consider RA as the real culprit? It is said again and again "IF he is the culprit, then..." I've put it that way myself. Why do we always have SLIGHT doubts, that he's the killer, even though he has confessed?
Because he doesn't look like the (younger) identikit?
Because he doesn't look mean/nasty enough?
Because he doesn't look like he could be any younger than his real age, which has been estimated to be between 18 and 40?
Because we don't know anything or little about his past?
Because we can't imagine the motive?
Because he has a daughter of a similar age himself?
Because nobody seems to know about him, that he behaved in a conspicuous manner in the months after the crime?

I think, DN or JBC or KAK - to name only 3 - we would have accepted as perpetrators without any circumstances. Probably, because they seem to be or indeed are more criminal than the RA, we know of until now, and that is expected of an evil double murderer.

Speaking only for myself, whenever I use "if he's guilty" in any crime case, it is absolutely not because I'm hesitant in thinking someone is guilty. Until all the evidence has been presented I don't feel comfortable saying someone is guilty in a public forum.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I want to know WHAT OTHER murders he has committed. Seems highly unlikely it was his first

Amateur opinion and speculation

Quoting myself!
Adding to the important point MichMan made upthread. Right now, this man is innocent. He has not been proven guilty, despite alleged statements he has made. MichMan is right, and thank you for the reminder.

ATM, RA is an innocent man.

My interest in him is seeing if data can suggest he is similarly innocent until proven guilty in any other unsolved cases with a similar signature.

If data analysis is of interest to you in murder cases, the “Murder Accountability Project” has some interesting data to review, albeit huge datasets to sort through.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Pyrite]

Did you also notice, that many of us hesitate to consider RA as the real culprit? It is said again and again "IF he is the culprit, then..." I've put it that way myself. Why do we always have SLIGHT doubts, that he's the killer, even though he has confessed?
Because he doesn't look like the (younger) identikit?
Because he doesn't look mean/nasty enough?
Because he doesn't look like he could be any younger than his real age, which has been estimated to be between 18 and 40?
Because we don't know anything or little about his past?
Because we can't imagine the motive?
Because he has a daughter of a similar age himself?
Because nobody seems to know about him, that he behaved in a conspicuous manner in the months after the crime?

I think, DN or JBC or KAK - to name only 3 - we would have accepted as perpetrators without any circumstances. Probably, because they seem to be or indeed are more criminal than the RA, we know of until now, and that is expected of an evil double murderer.

In my case, I would add 'We don't know what his confession consists of. '

Did it have any info that only the killer and LE would know? I used to disbelieve false confessions were never made, but there have been to many examples proven with DNA for me to believe every confession is true.

Moo

 

[Niner]

So... still no court date @FrostedGlass ? TIA!

His last one was on 6/15

 

[FrostedGlass]

Did you also notice, that many of us hesitate to consider RA as the real culprit? It is said again and again "IF he is the culprit, then..." I've put it that way myself. Why do we always have SLIGHT doubts, that he's the killer, even though he has confessed?
Because he doesn't look like the (younger) identikit?
Because he doesn't look mean/nasty enough?
Because he doesn't look like he could be any younger than his real age, which has been estimated to be between 18 and 40?
Because we don't know anything or little about his past?
Because we can't imagine the motive?
Because he has a daughter of a similar age himself?
Because nobody seems to know about him, that he behaved in a conspicuous manner in the months after the crime?

I think, DN or JBC or KAK - to name only 3 - we would have accepted as perpetrators without any circumstances. Probably, because they seem to be or indeed are more criminal than the RA, we know of until now, and that is expected of an evil double murderer.

All of those reasons and more.
Now that you have his brand of boots, have you found anything that matches?

 

[FrostedGlass]

So... still no court date @FrostedGlass ? TIA!

His last one was on 6/15

Nothing new. There is still this: Jury Trial 01/08/2024, which will astound me if it happens on that date.

 

[Niner]

Nothing new. There is still this: Jury Trial 01/08/2024, which will astound me if it happens on that date.

Me too! Surprised he doesn't at last have some motions hearings...

 

[FromGermany1]

All of those reasons and more.
Now that you have his brand of boots, have you found anything that matches?

Did I just now annoy you or why are you asking about the shoes? Not searched for a long time. If RA is the culprit, I can let it stay; not important anymore.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Did I annoy you or why are you asking about the shoes? Not searched for a long time.

You didn't annoy me at all. I thought I remembered your intensive search of a match and was just teasing you a bit.

 

[FromGermany1]

In my case, I would add 'We don't know what his confession consists of. '

Did it have any info that only the killer and LE would know? I used to disbelieve false confessions were never made, but there have been to many examples proven with DNA for me to believe every confession is true.

Moo

His confessions, to mother and wife, might be 100% true and LE will know, I believe.

 

[DeDee]

Fear could be felt for a variety of reasons. Fear of losing a loved one to prison. Fear of loss of income and support. Fear of retaliation by the community. Fear of humiliation. And not just fear - denial. Fear of suspecting, but without actual proof, a friend or family member would question themselves over and over. What if they were wrong? Doubt would win over, and they might stay quiet and do nothing.

jmo

I am reminded of the video capture of RA his wife took in the parking lot as he waited inside the car. She scared him good!

She had to realize something was making her husband jumpy, at least, upon reflection. Fear makes one jumpy, jittery, and not calm at all on the inside where the fear burns.

PTSD alerts me to fear that's felt in my chest where the skin prickles and nerve endings begin firing the Be Vigilant Alert. It burns within my upper body beginning in the chest [feels like suffocation].

Being an empath, fear can knock me off my feet and put me horizontal in the bed; whereas, for some others, it may be exciting and cause arousal. This arousal may be what provokes some to commit devious acts upon the innocent.

There was so much arousal stimulus for RA that fateful day. The terrifying height of Monon High Bridge, chasing young girls, a double slaughter in the woods, the blood, the underwear, the signatures, craving to terrify and kill virgins, our purest 13yo children. He feared every walking minute and he was aroused by it.

Many people enjoy being afraid -- the arousal that comes with the fight-or-flight response can be pleasurable and can even mimic sexual arousal. Present company excluded. AMOOO

Psychologist Arthur Aron conducted a study using the very common fear of heights. Aron had one group of men walk across a 450-foot-long, unstable-feeling bridge suspended over a 230-foot drop; he had another group of men walk across a perfectly stable-feeling bridge over the same height. At the end of each bridge, the men met Aron's very beautiful female assistant. She asked each subject a set of questions related to an imaginary study and then gave him her phone number in case he wanted more information. Of the 33 men who'd walked across the stable bridge, two called the assistant. Of the 33 who'd walked across the swaying bridge, nine called. Aron concluded that the state of fear encourages sexual attraction.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/emotions/fear3.htm