IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #174

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He largely accuses Rozzi and Baldwin of violating a gag order during their time as Allen's representation, most of which came in connection to a leak of evidence, including crime scene photos and evidence that the state learned about in October 2023.
“The amount of harm and revictimization that [the leak] has caused the families of the victims is unmeasurable and incurable,” McCleland argued in the filing.
Allen is accused of killing Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi in February 2017.
Rozzi and Baldwin were appointed by the court to represent Allen on Nov. 14, 2022. At a hearing to resolve preliminary matters held on Nov. 22, 2022, the state filed a motion to request a gag order for the case which would have prevented people closest to the case, including family members and attorneys, from speaking publicly about it.
McCleland argued in the newest filing that although the court took the state’s motion to implement a gag order under advisement, Baldwin and Rozzi “refused to agree to the state’s motion that such an order was unnecessary because they had no intentions of discussing the case in public.”
 
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To note, the FM says RA said he was gone by 1-1:30pm, which would mean he was gone by the time the girls were dropped off and would have been gone during the time of the murders. LE couldn’t provide the interview where they allege otherwise from my understanding. This is one of the many reasons they drafted the FM to contest the SWA, as they are claiming RA never stated he was there during the time of the murders.

Additionally, even spent bullets are not a solid piece of evidence. Ballistics is not a solid science. An unspent bullet alone has never convicted anyone in a U.S. court, and there may be a few where a spent bullet was a main piece of evidence, but there were other additional pieces of evidence.

JMO.
Okay, so many issues in play on this, but I still see why the prosecution's hanging in there and screaming bloody murder on the Odinism because when the average person (I include myself) sees something that looks like a spent bullet-- signature to RA's gun-- at the CS, that's going to be potent. I just don't see how he gets past that, I really don't. I know what you're saying on the ballistics, I've started poking around in ballistics research to see what I can find, but that piece of evidence seems powerful. Does anyone know, if we equate "ballistics" to "DNA," would this be like touch DNA in terms of its reliability? And then, there's the "bloody." But I know now, that's being disputed, too. Okay, so the defense has the towering Odinism spectacle, which could be as much of a negative as a positive, it's going to depend on how truly "cult-like" that crime scene actually looks. Then there's the "guys" point, which I still find worrisome, but depending on full playback and the reality of the moment, it may be nothing. RA's saying he's not there, and if he's innocent, it's a travesty for him. If he's guilty, it's a travesty for the victims. And one thing I do remember is they couldn't find the name of that professor LE used to rule out Odinism as having a role in the case. I never saw what happened with that, but I do remember it, and I just did a quick search, and I don't see that situation has changed.

While I applaud the defense for trying to create the reasonable doubt for their client if they truly believe he's innocent, I don't applaud trying to suppress a crucial piece of evidence in the case, and that bullet at the scene is a pivotal piece of evidence. And they were trying to have that suppressed on the basis of a technicality (from what I saw), not its evidentiary value. What if that request had been granted and RA were acquitted? What good would it do? People are going to remember that and many may still believe he is guilty regardless. Yes, I know it was the "smart" thing to do and the "customary" thing to do. But I'm glad the judge said no. As big and towering as "Odinism" may seem to the average person, well, so's a bullet with a signature to the defendant's gun at the crime scene.

Kind of floundering around and sputtering on this because I need to do a lot more research. And don't know how many people here following Gilgo, but tomorrow's a symposium given by John Ray, an attorney representing some of the Gilgo victims. Really looking forward to that!
 
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Link 1:

Weineke:

“Let me get this straight. The prosecutor in the #RichardAllen case believes Allen's attorneys have engaged in contemptuous conduct by violating a gag order that wasn't yet in place -- OVER A YEAR AGO -- and by being the victim of improper, if not illegal, conduct by a third party. You can't make this up...”


Someone comments asking:

thoughts on the allegation re woodhouse? to me doesn't seem like a violation of the gag order as written”

Weineke replies:

“It isn't. The order prohibited the dissemination of that information by public communication. Sending an email to a private individual accidentally is not public communication. Whatever the recipient did with the information is on him, not on the sender, unless the sender told him to disseminate. Which of course there is ZERO evidence of.”


Additionally, Weineke states:

“In its response to the motion to transfer, the State claims that #RichardAllen is being held in safekeeping for his own personal safety.

Indiana Code section 35-33-11-2 allows the defendant to refuse a safekeeping transfer if the only issue is his personal safety.

Indiana Code section 35-33-11-4 authorizes the trial court to return a defendant to the county jail if the circumstances necessitating a transfer no longer exist.

Read together, one could argue that if Allen no longer wishes to be held in safekeeping (and my guess is he doesn't), he can refuse and request return to the county jail, especially considering he is NOT suicidal.”

 
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Video shows meeting area at Wabash Valley CF RA's attorneys described.

Thanks for this.

So, this is state's evidence attached to State's objection to RA's safekeeping transfer motion where the State says Scremin and Lebrato's descriptions of their Wabash visit were exaggerated.

Apparently McL has figured out that J Gull reads nothing, especially not exhibits. :confused:
 
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Thanks for this.

So, this is state's evidence attached to State's objection to RA's safekeeping transfer motion where the State says Scremin and Lebrato's descriptions of their Wabash visit were exaggerated.

Apparently McL has figured out that J Gull reads nothing, especially not exhibits. :confused:

I saw a tweet by CW where she said she has visited inmates in WVCF and they have a normal meeting room, not a cage in a cafeteria with a food tray slot! I found the state's response to defense's motion to transfer.

 
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STATE’S MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY Filed 1/27/2024 by McLeland
Source: Adobe Acrobat
 

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VERIFIED MOTION TO DISQUALIFY filed 1/28/2024 10:00PM by Richard Allen, Rozzi & Baldwin
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I saw a tweet by CW where she said she has visited inmates in WVCF and they have a normal meeting room, not a cage in a cafeteria with a food tray slot! I found the state's response to defense's motion to transfer.

Thank you @twall !

STATE’S RESPONSE TO DEFENSE’S MOTION TO TRANSFER filed 11/29/2024 8:21am by McLeland

Source: State's Response to Defense's Motion to Transfer .pdf

*page 6/8 left out as it was only a signature; pages 7-8/8 are exhibits*
 

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Indiana court operations on Indirect Criminal Contempt:
Characteristics
  • Willfulness
  • Deliberate intention to either
    • Disobey or interfere with process of lawful order
    • Influencing, intimidating, or injuring a witness, or
    • Providing a false or inaccurate report of a case.
  • Conduct occurs outside judge’s presence, or judge’s knowledge of incident is not first-hand or immediate.
Procedures
  • New, separate cause of action (MC). I could be totally wrong but... is this saying that McLeland should have filed this as a separate criminal cause, not as a filing inside RA's cause?
  • Action is prosecuted in name of State.
  • Rule to Show Cause is required.
  • Requires appointment of special judge.
  • Due Process Requirements:
    • Service of Rule to Show Cause and Order to Appear;
    • Representation by Counsel;
    • Rights advisement;
    • When indigent, court-appointed counsel;
    • A sentence exceeding six months invokes the right to trial by jury.
  • Standard of proof: The evidence must show that contemnor acted with willful and intentional disobedience. contemnor.. what a fancy word
  • Defendant – Ind. Code § 34-47-3-6
    • Defendant is required to answer Rule to Show Cause.
    • If defendant fails to appear or refuses to answer, trial court may proceed to attach and punish defendant for contempt.
  • Defenses:
    • Inadequate notice as to facts constituting contempt.
    • Inability to obey (burden of proof is on defendant).
    • Inability to pay (burden of proof in on defendant).
  • Sanctions:
    • Fine;
    • Imprisonment;
    • Fine and imprisonment;
    • Reasonable sanction at the judge’s discretion
IANAL, this is all JMO as I read through the motion.
1-5: B&R preemptively defied the Gag Order by disagreeing that a gag order was needed on 11/22/22, and then putting out a press release 12/1/22.
B&R were appointed 11/14 and ordered to enter appearances and attend hearing 11/22. This was essentially their first day on the case. Is it not possible that on 11/22 they didn't have intentions of making any public statements, but by 12/1, after reviewing information about the case and talking to their client, they decided to issue the press release, having not been ordered not to?
6: JG issues Gag Order. "The Order directed the attorneys not to comment on this case to the public or to the media, directly or indirectly, by themselves or through any intermediary, in any form."
BBM - The Gag Order actually specifics by Means of Public Communication
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12/1/22 12/2/22
The language about "to the public" which is somewhat vague as to whether it means 'any unauthorized 3rd party' or 'the larger community', is only included in the 12/2/22 order, which is in effect until the 1/13 hearing. That language is absent from the order from 1/13/23 which makes the Gag Order permanent. Therefore, it's clear that the Gag Order applies by statements made to the media/by public communication.
1/13/23

7: State alleges AB violates Gag Order with the email to BW including outline of discovery.
State does not even allege that this was a willful action by AB, which is a requirement of contempt. In addition, BW isn't the media or the public.
8: Alleges B&R failed to notify the court or state of the email to BW.
seemingly irrelevant relating to an order for Contempt of Court?
9: Alleges that since BW disseminated the info from the outline to other people and "multiple viewers" on Youtube. "This dissemination of material from the case is a violation of the Gag Order that directly relates back to Defense Counsel."
BW can't violate the gag order, he wasn't subject to the gag order. The D can't violate the gag order by accidentally sending a private person an email, BW isn't the media. He has 578 youtube followers and barely any views.
10-11: Protective order put in place 2/13/23
12: State informed of CS photos leaked which matched the photos the defense attached in FM.

Doesn't mention whether the leaks were all pics of printed photos or if some were taken on a computer, which is a lingering question I had about the leaks
13-14: Discussing chain of the leaks from MW to RF to 'Podcaster', AB informs State and JG of the actions of MW. "Ironically, this was hours after investigators spoke to Fortson and determined that MW leaked the photos and he was the connection to the Defense."
Is this insinuating that AB's timing in informing them about MW's actions was convenient and only done because he knew they were getting closer?
15: AB "admitted" he "voluntarily" gave MW and another "civilian" a copy of the FM to review. "The Frank's Memorandum and exhibits contained protected discovery information that included very sensitive crime scene photos that were "leaked" by MW. Specifically, the investigation revealed that MW gave the photos to an individual named RF, who then passed them on to individuals who distributed them throughout the internet."
These 2 sentences seem to be juxtaposed to imply that MW was given access to the FM and the exhibits and that this is where he got the pics. But it only says that AB let others read the actual memo. Most of us have read it too... And the Supreme Court of Indiana said that we should be able to read it per IN's public access rules... The use of the phrase "protected discovery information" is imprecise. The protective order limits access to the actual discovery MATERIAL, it doesn't say that all of the INFORMATION contained within discovery is confidential, which would be a ridiculous standard and impossible to enforce unless you don't think the D has the right to file any pre-trial motions because some of the information included might be reported on in the media.
16: Referencing the letter BR sent on 10/12/23. References Section 4 of the letter he says BR "admits that MW had access to the conference room" and "admits that it was negligent to allow MW alone in the office where sensitive discovery material was stored", and referencing section 10 says BR "accepts responsibility for a lapse in security that caused the photos to be leaked. Admitting to this Court that they are in indirect contempt of the Court's Orders."
Because Contempt needs to be willful, the mistake of not having the office more secure is not a contemptuous action. Contrary to the State's claims about the letter, in section 4, BR does not admit AB had any knowledge that MW was in the back of the office or allowed him there, only points out that any argument of negligence would be in that MW was able to get back there to do what he did.
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Exhibit K in this document: 11/6 RecordofProceedingsVolume 1.pdf

17: References affidavit of MW
18: Allegation of ongoing leak to RF by MW, that RF knew "detailed real-time knowledge about when evidence was submitted to the Defense and the contents of that evidence" and "the actions Defense took in trial preparation"
AB talking to MW (even granting that is how MW obtained this info to share with RF and that the info was accurate) is not a statement to the media, so it doesn't violate Gag Order. AB discussing the case with MW is Not allowing him access to discovery MATERIAL, so it isn't a violation of the Protective Order. This still contains no allegations of a willful action by the D. Again it seems that the State's allegation relies on the D not being allowed to discuss the facts of the case at all? Perhaps we shouldn't even have a D for this case!
19-20: Recounting investigation of MW/RF
21: SW revealed screenshots of convos with MW and AB in which they "discuss the RA case" "candidly talk about the Court and the State" alleges that this shows "a free flow of information that is protected by the Court's Gag Order and the Order protecting discovery."
They don't give any examples of what AB shared that was violative. If anything in the texts WAS violative, I'm sure they'd share in more detail. AB talking 🤬🤬🤬🤬 about NM and JG isn't protected under the Gag Order since MW isn't the media. State doesn't even allege any discovery info was shared over texts. Totally irrelevant info.
22: States the D "failed to secure evidence and discovery materials, specifically graphic crime scene photos, which were then distributed to the public" and that "the disclosure was ongoing"
Again this is very imprecisely worded. He uses "the disclosure" to reference "a failure to secure". Failing to have good security measures to the office is not the same as (willfully, actively) disclosing material. Telling a friend about the progress on the case and your thoughts on it isn't the same thing as that friend viewing protected discovery. These aren't things that should be grouped together as "ongoing disclosures".
23: Says that DH admitted B&R should be sanctioned and "those sanctions have yet to be addressed"
except for the part that they were improperly kicked off the case for 2 months lol
24: states the families have been revictimized and harmed by the leaks.
25: summarize the allegations: "not being completely honest with the Court, violating the Court's Gag Order[...], and failing to comply with the Protective Order"

IMO this motion seems rushed and half-assed and reads more like a press release about how terrible RA's attorneys are, considering NM barely even attempted to show evidence of the most important aspect of Contempt: WILLFULNESS.
 
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The area is covered with branches and sticks. There are also deer and other wildlife in the area that could have broken a limb or branch off of a tree.

I believe it is one stick and they use it to try to create a connection to the facebook photos of cut sticks from the supposed Odinist gang. In reality trees get trimmed in forests all the time, and anyone could have got that stick from anywhere in the area. Who knows why it was trimmed or where.
 
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This isn't how it works. They don't just decide not to challenge evidence because they feel confident enough that they can convince a jury it isn't scientifically valid. If they were going to argue to the jury that it wasn't scientifically valid and decided not to challenge that it could be admitted, and had a reasonable basis to request that it was suppressed based on the Frank's standard, then they would be actually incompetent, negligent counsel.

From Duke University Law Journal on role of counsel: "Efforts aimed at the ascertainment of truth must be central to the role of counsel in any system for the resolution of disputes. Conduct that is intended to, or is likely to, result in the suppression of truth, or which is designed to mislead a court or jury or to facilitate a falsehood, should be presumptively improper. Such conduct, if justifiable at all, may be defended in terms of the degree to which it furthers some other valid objective of the system."

Continues: "The propriety of courtroom conduct does not depend upon its importance to counsel in justifying a fee, its value to a client in obtaining an acquittal or its symbolic value to a movement or cause."

Continues: "A trial is not an athletic contest in which each side should have an equal chance to win. A defendant should win only when he is innocent or when the state cannot prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt by competent evidence according to law."

More: "If we do not want the role of a defense lawyer to be characterized as a 'suppressor of truth,' it will be necessary to modify either our current law of procedure and evidence or our code of ethics, or both. If the profession sees nothing wrong with the existing model, it must articulate its reasons to an unsympathetic public."

 
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I was not aware the families were the ones who alerted the State to the leaked photos.

I hope they sue the pants off AB when this is all behind us.

Shocking behaviour. His insurers will be prepping for inbound.
 
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From Duke University Law Journal on role of counsel: "Efforts aimed at the ascertainment of truth must be central to the role of counsel in any system for the resolution of disputes. Conduct that is intended to, or is likely to, result in the suppression of truth, or which is designed to mislead a court or jury or to facilitate a falsehood, should be presumptively improper. Such conduct, if justifiable at all, may be defended in terms of the degree to which it furthers some other valid objective of the system."

Continues: "The propriety of courtroom conduct does not depend upon its importance to counsel in justifying a fee, its value to a client in obtaining an acquittal or its symbolic value to a movement or cause."

Continues: "A trial is not an athletic contest in which each side should have an equal chance to win. A defendant should win only when he is innocent or when the state cannot prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt by competent evidence according to law."

More: "If we do not want the role of a defense lawyer to be characterized as a 'suppressor of truth,' it will be necessary to modify either our current law of procedure and evidence or our code of ethics, or both. If the profession sees nothing wrong with the existing model, it must articulate its reasons to an unsympathetic public."

“A lawyer should pursue a matter on behalf of a client despite opposition, obstruction or personal inconvenience to the lawyer, and take whatever lawful and ethical measures are required to vindicate a client's cause or endeavor.”
-American Bar Association Rules of Professional Conduct https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...nduct/rule_1_3_diligence/comment_on_rule_1_3/
 
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