Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #85

[TheVisual]

Ok. So now we have ties to Delphi. Chills here as well.

What does anything have to do with the class picture from Delphi?

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

I'm wondering if LE thinks someone may try to harm him? Or, maybe they haven't decided where they want to incarcerate him--mid-level security prison? Max-level security?

Thoughts?

According to VINELink, he is still at St. Louis County Jail:

 

[SandyQLS]

I'll post a link, but yes Bruce does have a DV record in California. View Case Detail

Wait! That is not necessarily a domestic violence case. First of all there is a Petitioner and a Respondent, and it is a "domestic" case, FL40 would likely be "family law". This is not a criminal case but more likely a divorce or separation, perhaps a restraining order. They seem to use the word "domestic" for all family type proceedings, and "civil" is limited to business and property matters.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

TB could not have been married in 1977 with a case in 1981.

He is 53 now, born 1965, graduated HS in 1983, entered the Navy 1983.

Mixed up records?

Yes ... I’m so sorry (TB would have been 12 in 1977 ... ugh)! Copying and pasting the ETA to the original post here:

“1. My sincere apologies: TB would have been 12 in 1977, so please disregard “the other one ... from 1981.” The case must pertain to a different TB.

2. Hence, the person who filed for bankruptcy jointly with TB is his first wife.”

 

[mtnlites]

If TB was BG, knowing clothing and appearance of BG has been broadcast everywhere, wouldn't you alter these so you don't fit the description.
Go out of your way, to look different.
As many state, the clothing is universal and his appearance hasn't been altered dramatically, when you compare past photos.
MOO.

I have been one of those arguing about the clothing from the very beginning. There is nothing neither particularly unique or interesting about BG's attire. My own husband has the same jacket and newsboy cap.

I have no feeling about TB being BG one way or the other. None. I was simply remarking on the similarity of the clothing, which could be entirely coincidental.

 

[mtnlites]

And in doing some sleuthing, he does have family in Indiana. If he were to visit them, he'd drive through Delphi. Just adding, I'm not sure what the familial relation is, so it's hard to say if this is an area he would have visited often. Whoever killed AW and LG had to know the area well, that's not a place someone from out of town would seek out.

I agree. I grew up visiting that park and hanging out there. Even now I sometimes have trouble finding it when I return to Delphi.

 

[crhedBngr]

According to VINELink, he is still at St. Louis County Jail:
View attachment 157053

Good job!

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Wait! That is not necessarily a domestic violence case. First of all there is a Petitioner and a Respondent, and it is a "domestic" case, FL40 would likely be "family law". This is not a criminal case but more likely a divorce or separation, perhaps a restraining order. They seem to use the word "domestic" for all family type proceedings, and "civil" is limited to business and property matters.

I do believe this is a divorce, IMO, as it says “Dissolution” next to “Category: FL40.”

 

[Jace1124]

Hi everyone. When thinking about sketches, they usually come close but there are always features that are off. For example, take a look at this one of Ariel Castro. I BELIEVE they have BG! (and possibly the answer to many peoples prayers) I look at Libby’s grandma Becky’s FB page often. She always posts “Today is the Day”.... I’m praying with Becky and all family that THE DAY IS NEAR!

Creepy. 2004 FBI sketch and Ariel Castro. - Democratic Underground

 

[Lore Listener]

(Big surprise, NOT)

Absolutely. Last night you mentioned your working profile regarding mass shooters and how much TB fits with that (and I'm pretty sure I agree with you), and absolutely DV history is a big indicator there!

 

[MistyWaters]

Several have commented on the different nose, between TB and BG.
'Fake' noses are easily available, if BG used one, knowing he may be seen leaving/arriving the bridge.
We have observed this in films, where noses are transformed.
MOO.

Similarity or not to a police sketch made months after the Delphi murder wouldn’t be used to prove he’s the culprit or not anyway because it can’t possibly be known how accurate was the recollect of the person who recalled seeing this man. Upon the release of the sketch, LE was hopeful it might jog someone’s memory but aside from being another tool used to attempt to lead to additional tips, it’s only a sketch, not a photo. If he’s the true culprit, it just proves the sketch is not totally accurate supporting the odds are that it’s not.

But LE will be working to determine if TB can be linked to Delphi on Feb 13th, 2017 via evidence such as phone records, credit card or banking records, DNA, perhaps bullets and shell casings, computer data, other physical items found in the trailer and interviews with those who personally know him. Hopefully their efforts will prove fruitful because it just seems to me that TB fits the profile extremely well, not only in solving the Delphi murders but other homicides as well.

 

[minazoe]

I had such a feeling, i cant explain it, but BG was DUE ..it just came to me that simply.

so of course I am on board for this to be our guy..in some ways he is very similar to DN on paper

look at his crime
( exposing himself demanding felatio),
he has road rage issues,
innability to pay bills, hold jobs, rootlessness.
Veteran

but ways in which he even a better fit

hiding behind a mask of sanity ( clergy)
jewish center
community/ veterans etc.
2 major life events occurred around the times of the crime he is accused of but also the Delphi Murders
long term marriage
fits age and build more easily without allowances

freaks me out that there is a "Bruce" buried in the Delphi cemetery.

I love the way websluethers connected the dots on TB in timewarp speed. Please let us have many cases solved and many families healed. No way was the Catholic bookstore an isolated incident, no way in hades. MOO

MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I do believe this is a divorce, IMO, as it says “Dissolution” next to “Category: FL40.”

The Calvary Church Ministry originated in California as well. His current wife also has possible prior CA connections. I wonder if the couple moved from CA to Missouri in 2003.

“Bruce worked as a pastor for a few dozen people at Calvary Chapel of Cape Girardeau, said David Fitzgerald, a pastor at an affiliated church in St. Louis County.

The chapel folded about 10 years ago, Fitzgerald said. The Missouri Secretary of State's office identified Bruce as the operator of a nonprofit church that was formed in 2003 and dissolved in 2007.

Fitzgerald said the pastors of area Calvary Chapels, which are affiliated under a ministry that originated in California and now has about 1,500 churches throughout the U.S, would get together every few months....”
Suspect in Catholic Supply attack supported gun rights, had been a pastor

 

[margarita25]

Any hunting / fishing on SM!

(Obviously neither of those are indicative of a crime, just asking, ykwim...)

I recall the Cabela’s bill.

Looking for the post upstream re: his firearms.

ETA:

Thomas Bruce Bankruptcy | Chapter 7 | Bankruptcy

Firearms (valued at $400):

AR-15 Bushmaster Rifle
Glock 43 Handgun
6 Hour Handgun
.22 Handgun

 

[MistyWaters]

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freaks me out that there is a "Bruce" buried in the Delphi cemetery.


MOO

Just to clarify from noticing the original posts, the “Bruce” buried in the Delphi cemetery was apparently an error, it was the middle name of a deceased person.

 

[margarita25]

Was there a gun show by chance around Delphi metro cities that weekend/week?

 

[margarita25]

Does TB own a camper?

 

[Jax49]

Just to clarify from noticing the original posts, the “Bruce” buried in the Delphi cemetery was apparently an error, it was the middle name of a deceased person.

Thank you. I'd missed that.

 

[margarita25]

I had such a feeling, i cant explain it, but BG was DUE ..it just came to me that simply.

so of course I am on board for this to be our guy..in some ways he is very similar to DN on paper

look at his crime
( exposing himself demanding felatio),
he has road rage issues,
innability to pay bills, hold jobs, rootlessness.
Veteran

but ways in which he even a better fit

hiding behind a mask of sanity ( clergy)
jewish center
community/ veterans etc.
2 major life events occurred around the times of the crime he is accused of but also the Delphi Murders
long term marriage
fits age and build more easily without allowances

freaks me out that there is a "Bruce" buried in the Delphi cemetery.

I love the way websluethers connected the dots on TB in timewarp speed. Please let us have many cases solved and many families healed. No way was the Catholic bookstore an isolated incident, no way in hades. MOO

MOO

We can start a list of known dates and locations?

 

[kkdj]

I do believe this is a divorce, IMO, as it says “Dissolution” next to “Category: FL40.”

It looks like he's been divorced (dissolutions) 3 times in CA and with children in two of them, so he has kids.