Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #85

[margarita25]

It looks like he's been divorced (dissolutions) 3 times in CA and with children in two of them, so he has kids.

I wonder see what his kids would have to say about all this, in other words, might they have been abused?

It made me sad to see on his FB that he has dogs.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Virtually radio silence from family and friends to defend this guy against further crimes.

Nobody seems to be talking.
Not even a comment like, "He's never been to Delphi." or "His voice is completely different than the 'down the hill' audio."
I wonder why?

In so many cases we have neighbours, family and friends talking. Not this one it seems.
Perhaps because they know he's guilty?

JMO

 

[Jace1124]

To the poster who was exploring the photos of BG and discussing the possibility of a dual dog leash on his leg. TB appears to own 2 dogs. Maybe he was walking the dogs near the bridge or hunting and the dogs were then quickly put in his car during that fateful Feb 13th day...... maybe he spotted the girls and quickly put the dogs away.

 

[luvhockey]

Nothing on casenet yet other than the case was assigned to a judge. Being a holiday weekend I'm sure it will be updated tomorrow.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I wonder see what his kids would have to say about all this, in other words, might they have been abused?

It made me sad to see on his FB that he has dogs.

Maybe they have a very important reason for being thankful this holiday season...with him behind bars now.

 

[Inthedetails]

We can start a list of known dates and locations?

I started a list the night I first noticed the discussion about TB (Friday night, I guess), but I have been working this weekend so I think you guys are way ahead of me regarding his movements, jobs, etc. A list would be really helpful if we're going to try to match him to other unsolved crimes that fit the store m.o.

jmo

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

The Calvary Church Ministry originated in California as well. His current wife also has possible prior CA connections. I wonder if the couple moved from CA to Missouri in 2003.

“Bruce worked as a pastor for a few dozen people at Calvary Chapel of Cape Girardeau, said David Fitzgerald, a pastor at an affiliated church in St. Louis County.

The chapel folded about 10 years ago, Fitzgerald said. The Missouri Secretary of State's office identified Bruce as the operator of a nonprofit church that was formed in 2003 and dissolved in 2007.

Fitzgerald said the pastors of area Calvary Chapels, which are affiliated under a ministry that originated in California and now has about 1,500 churches throughout the U.S, would get together every few months....”
Suspect in Catholic Supply attack supported gun rights, had been a pastor

Thank you for your post. It reminded me of something.

According to public records, TB’s current wife appears to have been born in San Diego County, CA (by the way, I just feel absolutely awful for her right now; I can’t even imagine ...).

If you Google her first name, middle initial and last name (all in parentheses) along with the word “obituary,” a Legacy.com obit comes up, and it does, IMO, explain the timing of their move to MO, as well as TB’s interest in the Calvary Chapel Ministry.

I still haven’t figured out why Missouri.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Is there any video of him walking? Wondering if he is known to be pigeon toed, or have a "duck walk? "

 

[margarita25]

Is there any video of him walking? Wondering if he is known to be pigeon toed, or have a "duck walk? "

I did note he said he went to a chiropractor on fb ftr.

 

[sumzero]

Thank you for your post. It reminded me of something.

According to public records, TB’s current wife appears to have been born in San Diego County, CA (by the way, I just feel absolutely awful for her right now; I can’t even imagine ...).

If you Google her first name, middle initial and last name (all in parentheses) along with the word “obituary,” a Legacy.com obit comes up, and it does, IMO, explain the timing of their move to MO, as well as TB’s interest in the Calvary Chapel Ministry.

I still haven’t figured out why Missouri.

Now this is helpful. D’s mother apparently resided in California for the duration of her married life, all but assuring that D never went to school in Delphi, IN.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

It looks like he's been divorced (dissolutions) 3 times in CA and with children in two of them, so he has kids.

Sorry, I only looked at San Diego county.

I didn’t realize he had children. I’m praying for them.

 

[minazoe]

I imagine people are being interviewed and advised not to talk, this reflects the seriousness of this case .

also everyone is in holiday mode and this can slow things down.

lab results could be mind blowing. this man is a coldblooded killer who executed an innocent woman by shooting her in the head. I think he wished to murder the others but was disrupted and ran.

remember that BTK was an extreme sadist and a bit more high functioning and stable in terms of lifestyle, a similarity here is not only the pastor/community leader type person , but also the multiple victims and daytime attacks. BTK is the classic white male psychopath, flat out. He is the personification of heartless, cruel and evil.

I wonder if we will find out that TB is another killer that fits this category, someone who
committed utterly heartless , cruel and evil murders.

The FBI will be very interested in the planning that went into his crime, will he have a Cabella kill kit in his vehicle? will the ballistics hit on any of his weapons? will they be able to find the weapons?

He shed his clothing too, that is super pre-planny..many of us thought that BG had additional clothing on, and items under his clothes.

this crime is in no way run of the mill and could have been so much worse.

he must be so angry that he can now be identified.

he totally would have killed them all. IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Virtually radio silence from family and friends to defend this guy against further crimes.

Nobody seems to be talking.
Not even a comment like, "He's never been to Delphi." or "His voice is completely different than the 'down the hill' audio."
I wonder why?

In so many cases we have neighbours, family and friends talking. Not this one it seems.
Perhaps because they know he's guilty?

JMO

I’m not surprised nobody is speaking out, let alone defending him because even if he’s cleared of involvement in all and any other cases, what he allegedly did at the Catholic supply store was absolutely atrocious. Even if people who knew him had no reason to suspect his underlying devious and deplorable character, I’d think now they prefer not to be publicly associated with him whatsoever.

 

[Jace1124]

If he were in Delphi at the time of the murders his wife would know. She would also know if he was dying his hair at that time. But imo that nose in the sketch isn't even close to the same as his. So I don't think his wife would have been suspicious of it being him even if she had in the first place. Hope that makes sense.

I respectfully disagree that his wife would know his whereabouts. If she was at work and he unemployed, he could be almost anywhere in an 8 hour period. The girls were killed in the early day.

 

[Inthedetails]

The Delphi city directory/phone book is online for a year we are wondering about. One year in particular.

 

[MistyWaters]

Nothing on casenet yet other than the case was assigned to a judge. Being a holiday weekend I'm sure it will be updated tomorrow.

I think it’s case 18SL-CR08574.

It was filed Nov 21st against TB, no middle initial but involves multiple charges. It’s been assigned to a judge but no other information is available.
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do

 

[Rossymom]

Thank you for your question.

 

[Lore Listener]

I had such a feeling, i cant explain it, but BG was DUE ..it just came to me that simply.

so of course I am on board for this to be our guy..in some ways he is very similar to DN on paper

look at his crime
( exposing himself demanding felatio),
he has road rage issues,
innability to pay bills, hold jobs, rootlessness.
Veteran

but ways in which he even a better fit

hiding behind a mask of sanity ( clergy)
jewish center
community/ veterans etc.
2 major life events occurred around the times of the crime he is accused of but also the Delphi Murders
long term marriage
fits age and build more easily without allowances

freaks me out that there is a "Bruce" buried in the Delphi cemetery.

I love the way websluethers connected the dots on TB in timewarp speed. Please let us have many cases solved and many families healed. No way was the Catholic bookstore an isolated incident, no way in hades. MOO

MOO

I remember you posting that before the Thanksgiving holiday! And I agree with everything you've said here.

 

[StarrChance]

What does anything have to do with the class picture from Delphi?

There is a person with his wife’s maiden name in the Delphi book, however no confirmation it’s the correct one and birthdates are off imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Premature...haven’t yet, but that’s a bit more optimisticly spoken than “attempting to determine” any links. The coat, the hat, surely he didn’t wear much the same clothing as in Delphi, a way of taunting police, believing he wouldn’t get caught? The photos are also on the link below.

I also hadn’t noticed in the St Louis initial suspect release bulletin that he wore glasses. His estimated age was between 40 - 50. Did he do something to make himself appear younger? Is so, what? The bulletin does not mention a hair or beard colour at all.

“While officials in Indiana told RTV6 they were "aware" of the investigation in St. Louis, they added that it was "premature" to draw any link between the two crimes.

If and when an arrest is made of a suspect identified by the Indiana State Police as the alleged perpetrator of the Delphi murders, rest assured, we will let everyone know,” ISP Capt. Dave Bursten told RTV6.”.....

“......In the Missouri killings, a man was reported wearing a navy blue Carhartt-style work jacket, a plaid shirt, red, white, and black in color, glasses, a brown belt with a red and blue square on the clasp or clip of the belt and a newsboys/flat hat....”
Suspect in Catholic Supply store shooting called 'psychotic' in prior incident, as link to Delphi murders deemed 'premature'