Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #86

[Falling Down]

BG's voice/accent/dialect/etc. have come up here, which I think is interesting considering all we have are 3-4 short words from the guy. TB being from Flint would have a Inland Northern American English sound to it, with a Northern Cities Vowel Shift (NCVS) type of speech, same as for folks from Upstate, NY (generally), a little over into northern PA, down through the northern part of OH (although it's strong around CinciNAAAHti), across northern IN, it's throughout MI, and across into northern IL and throughout WI and much of MN. I don't hear it in Indy when I'm down there, but it's strong along U.S. 30, U.S. 20, U.S. 6, in this part of the Midwest.

It's also found around St. Louis and some other places not far from the Great Lakes, but which are along old waterway routes (rivers, canals, lakes), i.e. migration routes.

There are also pockets in CT I've heard, mostly western CT, more so than the typical New England accent and dialect people would know.

I bring this up because it is relevant to the Delphi case. There's no doubt in mind that the FBI has linguistics experts and software to help try and narrow down where this guy's from, I'll bet they have a fairly good idea. Is he fairly local? Or from outside the area, but still kinda close? I often wonder.

Here's an accent tag vid from a gal from Indiana. Note the pronunciations of the letters "a" and "o", and her "coupon" make me chuckle, how she learned how to say it is with a dipthong , instead of "coopon" she says "queue pahn", which I hear a lot back where I'm from in NY. Only in certain parts of the northern U.S. have I hear that.

She also says "you guys", more typical of the northern tier of the U.S.

Rochester, IN (just up the road from Delphi), accent:

She says "pawp", vs. "pop" or "pahp" (the latter is how I pronounce it).
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[ab01]

After all this time, I still can't help but feel like the girls were in fact targeted. I know ....I know but DNA would rule that out, But imo i'm not sure they have dna to match to the actual crime scene. I believe they have dna from different object from the park. I still think when this case is eventually solved that it will be somebody that was overlooked very early on and not somebody from a different state. I'm still thinking a creepy local. JMO Can't help but always going back to the fact that many have said if you didn't know about the trail and park, you wouldn't just stumble upon it. I still think thats the key, its somebody that is very familiar with that specific location.....MOO

 

[Jace1124]

And that is what makes the world go round. Differences of opinion. The problem lies when human beings can not open their minds to view something from the other side/a different perspective. I pray that LE has a diverse thought process.

 

[ab01]

And that is what makes the world go round. Differences of opinion. The problem lies when human beings can not open their minds to view something from the other side/a different perspective. I pray that LE has a diverse thought process.

I agree and believe me I have entertained many theories and possibilities.....just keep coming back to the basics. And I may be way off, just my opinion

 

[cluciano63]

While it is of course good news that two other murders of young women (in Au and NZ) already have arrested suspects...disheartening that this case goes on and on...

The plentiful cameras in other countries help police so much.

 

[IceIce9]

After all this time, I still can't help but feel like the girls were in fact targeted. I know ....I know but DNA would rule that out, But imo i'm not sure they have dna to match to the actual crime scene. I believe they have dna from different object from the park. I still think when this case is eventually solved that it will be somebody that was overlooked very early on and not somebody from a different state. I'm still thinking a creepy local. JMO Can't help but always going back to the fact that many have said if you didn't know about the trail and park, you wouldn't just stumble upon it. I still think thats the key, its somebody that is very familiar with that specific location.....MOO

Agree with you. I have always thought either one or both girls were targeted. Both could have been targeted, or just one and the other was killed because she was a witness.

I have thought it was most likely a local resident, one from not more than a few counties away. Or at least someone who had lived in the area previously.

My opinion only.

 

[IceIce9]

While it is of course good news that two other murders of young women (in Au and NZ) already have arrested suspects...disheartening that this case goes on and on...

The plentiful cameras in other countries help police so much.

I used to be very much against cameras, as I thought them to be an invasion of privacy, too much Big Brother, etc.

I remember there being a huge backlash when residents of the city I lived in at the time installed four cameras in a public area. Those were the first cameras I can remember in the area, and most residents were dead set against them.

I have completely changed my mind. The more cameras, the better. Put cameras everywhere so their is a better chance to find the missing and convict the criminals.

 

[tripek]

I just found out about this case few days ago and I am totally obsessed. My opinion is that it was somebody who knew that place really well. Maybe somebody who spent there some time when he was younger. He somehow developed this scenario where he trapped his victim/s by using the bridge. It may have been his fantasy, something like a perfect crime in his mind, and on that day it just all clicked. There were two young girls on the bridge, not many people around so he went for it. I definitely think he is local. I would not be surprised if he was teacher or something similar. Schools were closed on that day so he had time to go to the trail and those two girls were perfect victims right at the spot where he wanted them.

 

[gregjrichards]

I just found out about this case few days ago and I am totally obsessed. My opinion is that it was somebody who knew that place really well. Maybe somebody who spent there some time when he was younger. He somehow developed this scenario where he trapped his victim/s by using the bridge. It may have been his fantasy, something like a perfect crime in his mind, and on that day it just all clicked. There were two young girls on the bridge, not many people around so he went for it. I definitely think he is local. I would not be surprised if he was teacher or something similar. Schools were closed on that day so he had time to go to the trail and those two girls were perfect victims right at the spot where he wanted them.

Welcome to Websleuths tripek. Thank you for joining us.

 

[PaulaDC]

How many times have I looked at this photo?!

Could the white things be handles to a bag??

(Yes, I'm on a bag kick today, I know!)

jmo

Self

Can anyone identify this white stick object? It is in a photo on a table that TB posted on FB.

According to one of TB FB profile photos he commented on trying out his new selfie stick to take his photo. Seems like that could possibly be his new stick imo.

 

[Dontknow?]

Self

According to one of TB FB profile photos he commented on trying out his new selfie stick to take his photo. Seems like that could possibly be his new stick imo.

BBM. Made me laugh. Thanks. I think he's been a perv like as a teen with issues, voyeurism and escalating to a rapist murderer but had never been caught. That selfie stick could be for up-skirting possibly/probably? Creepy sneaky dude.

I wonder why he was so foolish to think he could get away with the murder and assaults. If it was so planned why did he sit at a bar/restaurant close to where he killed the woman? Was he ready to be caught or was he drunk?

 

[kkdj]

Who is BG?
Is he under LE's radar or just roaming freely?

 

[book-thinker]

I'm fairly new to this case.
This case is disturbing, two beautiful girls, best friends since kindergarden, went hiking on a trail
and found the next day murdered.
Libby's, foresight in using her phone to record and take a photo of the suspect.
A small town, a network of trails surrounds Delphi, Indiana, this makes it easy for a person responsible not to be found.
Using DNA evidence found at the scene of Libby German and Abby Williams murders, its reasonable with "familiar DNA"
to track a suspect from family member's DNA. In Washington state a cold case solved the 1986 murder of a 12year girl, using evidence a discarded restaurant napkin from suspect, led to a conviction.

 

[drtuddle]

Thank you. Yes we did in the Bevers case, but the tag was so blurry I don't believe it was ever determined by WS and not known or released by LE. I did notice in the BK filing that the new 2016 Chevy Impala lease of $393/month began in April 2016, the same month of the Missy Bevers murder. If TB was working as a salesman (insurance?) he would want a nice car; the 2012 VW Passat would then belong to the wife. He did report wage income in 2016 on the BK.

What is it with Mondays? Delphi, Bevers, Catholic Supply...

I have thought of the Missy case also. Both the Delphi and Missy’s case seem like long shots for TB but it’s worth looking at because both cases seem to be going nowhere. It is interesting that TB started leasing in April 2016. Be interesting to know what they drove before that time. TB worked for Hartwig, inc (mar14-july16)during Missy’s murder as a parts guy. Hartwig does have a location in Irving, Texas. Don’t know if TB would have traveled there for any reason. TB doesn’t list a job until May 2017. So possibly he wasn’t working during the Delphi murders. I’m pretty sure TB has a issue and maybe religious issue. Possibly a drinking issue tied into the BK problems. I found his mother-in-law’s obit. Seems to show where the California, Navy, and Calvary Chapal connection comes into play with TB and his wife. View Daphne Hoskins's Obituary on sandiegouniontribune.com and share memories
Just think if he was psychopath during his navy years and he traveled the world. No telling what he might have done. I can’t believe there is any video of him walking. I have read that he had back issues and maybe a slight disability? Also, does anybody know his exact height?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Some things I wish we knew concerning TB and a possible Delphi connection:
1) I would like to hear TB talk
2) I would like to see video of both TB and the BG walking. Even though BG is walking on a rickety old RR bridge I think it would be helpful.
3) I would like to know if TB is left handed, because many surmised BG is left handed because of how the alleged gun is placed in his pocket.
4) I would like to know how long TB has had the blue jacket and newsboy hat.
5) I would like to know how often TB travelled to Indiana to visit family and if he was in Indiana in February of 2017
6) I would like to know if the people who helped put together the Delphi sketch think TB looks like it.
7) I would like to know what TB's family and friends think about his possible connection to Delphi. The little we've heard is so different than what we heard about DN who was portrayed as a violent perverted troublemaker by everybody. TB seems more like a classic sociopath/psychopath.

 

[kc1023]

6) I would like to know if the people who helped put together the Delphi sketch think TB looks like it.

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I think TB looks more like the real BG images than he does the sketch. JMO

 

[Gracie55]

I'm fairly new to this case.
This case is disturbing, two beautiful girls, best friends since kindergarden, went hiking on a trail
and found the next day murdered.
Libby's, foresight in using her phone to record and take a photo of the suspect.
A small town, a network of trails surrounds Delphi, Indiana, this makes it easy for a person responsible not to be found.
Using DNA evidence found at the scene of Libby German and Abby Williams murders, its reasonable with "familiar DNA"
to track a suspect from family member's DNA. In Washington state a cold case solved the 1986 murder of a 12year girl, using evidence a discarded restaurant napkin from suspect, led to a conviction.

Could BG have been captured on the phone camera-L seemed to be an eager photographer and maybe hunting candid photos-in her amateur photography efforts-and BG flipped out because his pic was taken? Maybe he was high, or wanted for something, overreacted, tried to take the camer away and ended murdering the pair?

He'd've grabbed the phone but the pix remained on the cloud.

 

[kirkassoc]

I just found out about this case few days ago and I am totally obsessed. My opinion is that it was somebody who knew that place really well. Maybe somebody who spent there some time when he was younger. He somehow developed this scenario where he trapped his victim/s by using the bridge. It may have been his fantasy, something like a perfect crime in his mind, and on that day it just all clicked. There were two young girls on the bridge, not many people around so he went for it. I definitely think he is local. I would not be surprised if he was teacher or something similar. Schools were closed on that day so he had time to go to the trail and those two girls were perfect victims right at the spot where he wanted them.

 

[kirkassoc]

I believe it could have been a teacher also because of the day this happened being a school "day off." However, I feel it isn't a teacher the girls knew, or Libby would probably have mentioned his name in the video. She was very, very much on alert. MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Could BG have been captured on the phone camera-L seemed to be an eager photographer and maybe hunting candid photos-in her amateur photography efforts-and BG flipped out because his pic was taken? Maybe he was high, or wanted for something, overreacted, tried to take the camer away and ended murdering the pair?

He'd've grabbed the phone but the pix remained on the cloud.

BG was captured on her phone. She did take photos of him, not a maybe.

I don't think he was high and flipped out because of it. I think he was hunting them like a predator who saw prey.

jmo