Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #86

[Jace1124]

I think a stun gun would need to have a rubber handle to prevent the user getting an electric shock. I don’t know if it would casually be left around the house. Would his wife not question it? Would a hunter use one of these to kill an animal they had wounded?

In any case he is a cold blooded killer.... maybe he zaps his poor dogs...

 

[mtnlites]

I personally see facial similarities between DN andTB, look at the mouth. look at the eyes.
spaced wide and both have prominent noses, and weak chin and jawline.

Are you going by the sketch? I've had to work with a sketch artist in the past and while there were definite similarities, it's not a photo. So much depends on the way the witness describes certain things, not to mention the program the sketch artist is working with or how the artist interprets certain details. If you spend a lot of time looking at previous crimes and the sketches of the perp, you tend to see similarities but there are always things that are going to be off. Weak chins, wide-spaced eyes, etc. are all details that could vary depending on the person giving the artist the specifications. It's the general shape of the face, the absence/presence of facial hair, identifying marks, etc. that should be given more stock. While I do see similarities between TB and BG, I don't see any more than the countless others whose photos have been held up as side-by-sides. Unfortunately, BG has one of those general, kind of bland faces that, when attempted, could easily be applied to many different men who look nothing alike. That's why I think LE has told the public to focus on the body in the photo.

 

[EstrellaEspectral]

A public defender has been appointed. I'm guessing all SM will be coming down pretty shortly.

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/parties.do

Case # 18SL-CR08574

 

[AuctionGal]

Incoming St. Louis County councilman wants death penalty for Catholic Supply suspect
Former St. Louis County Police Chief and incoming county councilman Tim Fitch is asking the prosecuting attorney’s office to hand over prosecution duties for the Catholic Supply murder suspect to federal authorities.

 

[Deleted member 196796]

For comparison:

Also, he used a selfie stick in one of his photos on Facebook. He made a comment about it.

Maybe one of those file type knife sharpener?

 

[carbuff]

I’m wondering if that’s what the long thing is down BG’s leg.

I’m on the fence about TB being BG at the moment I wish we knew of a stronger connection to Delphi. I hope we know one way or the other in the New Year.

I'm not sure how strong a connection is needed though. There are plenty of examples of killers who were transients, truck drivers, day laborers, or otherwise just passing through somewhere. Some killers deliberately go outside of their normal area to hunt for victims so they won't be associated with the crime.

I don't think it's by any means proven that this guy is the Delphi killer, but I don't see anything to rule it out, either.

 

[minazoe]

is it going to the feds because of kidnappping?

 

[Medstudies]

I personally see facial similarities between DN andTB, look at the mouth. look at the eyes.
spaced wide and both have prominent noses, and weak chin and jawline.

I definitely see facial similarities to both as well. The thing that stands out more about TB as a viable suspect vs DN: TB stands accused of controlling and assaulting multiple victims in broad daylight, and cold blooded murder.
(This is besides all the other similarities- that may or may not be coincidental.)

There is still the evidence of TB having definitive ties to Delphi and his whereabouts at the time of the murders of LG and AW.

Just MOO. No, I’m not ready to convict him yet. But it’s intriguing that he has not been ruled out.

 

[rainynights]

TB's TripAdvisor profile which includes more reviews

Thomas B | @thomasbO7096FA | Profile on TripAdvisor

(*Posted in the MO thread for sleuthing of TB; cross-posting here for reference)

 

[minazoe]

he's as good a match as you could ask for, bet the FBI thinx so too..oh I wish I could sit in and listen to his interviews, don't you?

 

[gregjrichards]

is it going to the feds because of kidnappping?

I might be wrong here but if memory serves me right I think if someone is murdered in the process of a kidnapping it is a federal crime. I also wondered if this case could be classed as a hate crime because it was a catholic place of business that was targeted.

he's as good a match as you could ask for, bet the FBI thinx so too..oh I wish I could sit in and listen to his interviews, don't you?

I don’t know but I feel like he won’t be much of a talker.

 

[Jace1124]

Who usually attends the first trials/sentencing?

 

[JJ1492]

That was a dumb thing to do. It’s amazing how perps commit horrific crimes and think they are going to get away with it and don’t think through what they are doing. Chris Watts is a more recent example.

This brings Dennis Radar to mind as he did something stupid as well that aided in LE identifying, locating and arresting him. In written communication with LE, Dennis Radar asked, “Can I communicate with Floppy and not be traced to a computer. Be honest.” Oh course LE told him that he could not be traced. We all know what happened next. Thank God for dumb criminals.

 

[heartgoesout]

they might hold back formally showing it and wait forDNA . This way if he is not recognized they dont have to bring it up at a trial. MOO

Guaenteed his picture was shown to witness and family before they released it to the public.
Maybe the statement about similarities was a hint that they got him?

 

[Gumbeaux]

TB's TripAdvisor profile which includes more reviews

Thomas B | @thomasbO7096FA | Profile on TripAdvisor

(*Posted in the MO thread for sleuthing of TB; cross-posting here for reference)

Quote from review by TB on TripAdvisor: “Amber is a sassy fully developed lady who is sure to keep your eyes focused in on her accessories”

Do we have public stoning in the US?? Asking for a friend.

 

[minazoe]

I hope Amber is a fully living waitress or whatever Amber is.. stoning as in throwing heavy rocks? just asking....for a friend. MOO

 

[Jerrod]

Quote from review by TB on TripAdvisor: “Amber is a sassy fully developed lady who is sure to keep your eyes focused in on her accessories.” Do we have public stoning in the US?? Asking for a friend.

This guy's a real charmer. I'm sure he had Amber swooning.

 

[Jabarn]

Jerrod! No wonder the picture was blurry since she was likely trying to get out of the lens.

Did go look at the church angle with TB. It’s like searching for a needle in a haystack.

David Fitzgerald is pastor at Calvary Chapel in Maryland Heights. He told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Bruce was a pastor at Calvary Chapel of Cape Girardeau from about 2003 into 2007.

The Missouri Secretary of State's office identifies Bruce as the operator of a nonprofit church formed in 2003 and dissolved in 2007.

Fitzgerald says Calvary Chapels are affiliated under a ministry that originated in Costa Mesa, California. Associated Press attempts to reach church officials Thursday have been unsuccessful.

The Latest: Store Slaying Suspect Had Worked as Pastor

As of 2009, there are more than 1500 Calvary Chapel congregations worldwide.

Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa - Wikipedia

I think he may have used that angle of being a preacher to build up the image he wanted others to believe, while in his heart, he didn’t have any boundaries on his own behavior. Being such a creep, I would think there would be more stories coming out from other women about how he crossed the line.

Any leads about his parents and how he was brought up? I haven’t seen anything on MSM, but maybe a reporter is working on that.

 

[minazoe]

this article belies similarities
Police: St. Louis and Delphi Cases Have Some Similarities | 93.1 WIBC

 

[TTF14]

this article belies similarities
Police: St. Louis and Delphi Cases Have Some Similarities | 93.1 WIBC

I am surprised that St. Louis contacted Delphi and not the other way around.

Is it common for police forces to share not-revealed-to-the-public with "neighboring" police forces? In this case, it's not even that "neighboring."

There have to be pretty TELLING similarities to have one police force dealing with a murder of adults contact another police force dealing with the murder of children.

I think it is the "told to strip" and being shot for non-compliance. Perhaps something else he said....some sort of "key phrase" if you will.

There's a lot we do not know/hasn't been released about Abby and Libby's final moments. This may be a perfect example of why they don't release everything.