Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #101

[margarita25]

I’m guessing that perhaps the people who do not see the gun do not have experience with firearms or have never owned a gun. I would BET MY LIFE that’s a gun.

 

[susiQ]

Agreed. It has been suggested that BG was 60-70ft away from Libby when he was filmed, so if this accurate, why not show more of his approach? There must be something incriminating that they are protecting from public view.

Or, Libby quickly concealed her phone so he wouldn’t be aware of it?

 

[MistyWaters]

good point....and to take that a step farther in analysis:

I wonder if perp is also years behind "socially" and maybe academically?
Say this perp is older 20's and still in college or still living under
parents' roof when not in school. Maybe he hasn't graduated
to independent living on his own.
All this would also possibly make perp 'seem' to be younger
than his chronological age.
Maybe he's still dependent on parents financially
and still driving parents' car.
Maybe he's a man/child in a man's body w/ a babyish face.
imo.

The word “may” appear younger I think refers to someone at the far end of the possible age spread of 18 to 40 because the sketch doesn’t really look like a person in his late 30s. The witness is perhaps not confident at attempting to accurately guess the age of the person they saw, which for sure is difficult to do.

The wide age spread is also a reason why I don’t think LE have their eyes focused on only one possible suspect.

 

[Boxer]

We have talked very little about something that's nagging me. "Authorities say he is between 18 and 40, but said he may appear younger than he is." Why call that out? That last qualifier speaks volumes IMO. That's a very, very specific qualifier. Again, this is all MOO but they aren't referring to someone who is 39 but looks 35 or someone who is 25 and looks 20. The average person would not even notice a few years age difference. They are referring to someone who looks noticeably and obviously much younger. LE hasn't used the word "much." That word is my interpretation only. So if he's 39, he may look closer to 29. If he's 29, he may look closer to 19.

MOO I took that to mean he is a little baby faced.

 

[margarita25]

Here’s a random thought thinking more about this gun business.

Say hypothetically he was interrupted during the crimes and LE was able to respond. Would he have shot at LE? I bet he would have considering he has no problem killing 2 little girls, JMO. I think the gun for him was not only his method of threatening, but perhaps his insurance for escaping as well.

 

[HockeyMom330]

If they knew who he was, they would not have said he “could be in this room”...for one thing, of many, that shows me they do NOT know who he is. That is why they produced this new sketch for public view. Heaven knows, it caused enough confusion in the way it was handled...if they could have avoided that whole mess, they would have. But they had no choice.
Imo

I belive LE knows who BG is, and understood the 'could be in this room' part of Carter's speech to be more figurative than literal. I think he was trying to reinforce to the people of Delphi that BG blends in with the locals, and is someone you would least suspect of this crime. He might be your neighbour, roommate, server, teacher, pastor, coach, mechanic etc. He has been 'hiding in plain sight'. Carter needs the Delphi locals to accept that someone they trust committed this evil act against the girls and against their community.

 

[margarita25]

Interesting post from @Rott Mom on Feb 11th, 2018:

Rott Mom
Active Member
“Hubby & I took a drive to the bridge a few months ago - to say it was impossible to find is an understatement.”

Found Deceased - IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 # 81

 

[x_files]

Good post Matic. And thought provoking too.
Another reason family will probably not turn in their relative
is because often times it's a dysfunctional family that helped
cause the pathology that turned this person into a killer.

Studies have shown that Murderers are Profoundly Damaged.
Killers are driven by devastating histories of Trauma.
- Abuse
- Domestic Violence
- other Perils of Childhood

The above was taken from a report on "Profile of Teen Murderers"
The shame associated with having a killer in a family comes closer
to announcing to the world that "We have a Sick, dysfunctional
Family" and it's this generational dysfunction that keeps this
secret in their closet and behind closed doors.

Do you think Ted Bundy's mother would have turned him in? I think she was in deep denial and never would luckily his gf noticed too many red flags to ignore.
If they are relying on the killer's parents to turn him in we may be in for a long wait.

 

[MistyWaters]

Or, Libby quickly concealed her phone so he wouldn’t be aware of it?

Many have expressed opinions here in the past that the rustling background sound in the audio is how a cellphone sounds when it’s placed in a pocket. Although we don’t know if Libby wore clothes with pockets it’s entirely possible she did considering she brought her cellphone along.

 

[x_files]

Yes, his right side.
(Possibly in a body holster)

Eta: which brings to mind again that IF they were shot, ballistics obviously hasn’t produced a match.

I wonder if he makes in his own bullets, and perhaps even silencer.

We don’t know that they were shot. Just thinking out loud. Just because he had a gun it doesn’t mean that’s how they were killed. I suspect he had a knife and rope as well, jmo.

My guess weapon possible a gun or knife was used to gain control of the girls but was discharged in the murder. Either strangulation, blunt force trauma or knife was used.

 

[MsJosie]

2 weeks plus since last press release.....and nothing yet. I so hoped the families would get closure.

 

[cluciano63]

I’m guessing that perhaps the people who do not see the gun do not have experience with firearms or have never owned a gun. I would BET MY LIFE that’s a gun.

I barely see anything more than a man lol. And some colors of clothing. Not disputing what you see, but it is just a poor image to me, I feel like I could see anything or nothing.

 

[margarita25]

My guess weapon possible a gun or knife was used to gain control of the girls but was discharged in the murder. Either strangulation, blunt force trauma or knife was used.

I think he’s likely got a knife too, but that is not visible imo.

As for COD we don’t know and with the various options I keep thinking of the old “CLUE” board game, “Colonel Mustard with a knife...”) . Obviously this is not a game but that sure is one factor that has been kept very tightly guarded, understandable so. BFT could be likely as we see in so many cases, but so could other methods be I think.

I have also thought about little Gabriella Doolin. Iirc she was both drowned and strangled (iirc, need to confirm that). The water element makes me wonder about this as well. Head under water during assault. The water, however, has been reported as being very cold during this time so perhaps not likely.

ETA: Re: Gabbi, she was sodomized.

“The arrest warrant said she died of manual strangulation and drowning.”
Gabbi Doolin Case: Trial Date Set In 2019

 

[enelram]

I think he’s likely got a knife too, but that is not clearly visible imo.

As for COD we don’t know and I keep thinking of the old “CLUE” board game, “Colonel Mustard with a knife..”) . Obviously this is not a game but that sure if one factor that has kept very tightly guarded.

I have also thought about little Gabriella Doolin. Iirc she was both drowned and strangled (iirc, need to confirm that). The water element makes me wonder about this as well. Head under water during assault.

if you google 'power and control murders', strangling comes up
as the most common method that shows power and control. I think FBI profilers suggested
they use this term in pc and believe it was clue to the public as
to cause of death.

 

[susiQ]

In those cases when LE has known who the perp was but waited to make an arrest...they were not having PC’s showing new sketches, with a 20+ year age range...so it is not quite the same as those. Jmo

True, they were handled differently. However, in this case LE released a sketch that they have now determined is most likely irrelevant to the case and needed to get that info out there to the community. That doesn’t necessarily mean they have no idea of who they’re looking at as a suspect. The could just need some help nailing the case

 

[FinePrint]

Looking at the weather during the period of the murders and prior. I see that Saturday and Sunday prior to the murders on Monday were even warmer days, 50 to 60 degrees. Really makes me think it likely that BG spent time there that weekend stalking around waiting for the right opportunity!

Everyone here the Midwest gets cabin fever from the long cold winters and I'm sure there was a lot of activity on the trails since it was so nice out!

West Lafayette, IN History | Weather Underground

 

[margarita25]

if you google 'power and control murders', strangling comes up
as the most common method that shows power and control. I think FBI profilers suggested
they use this term in pc and believe it was clue to the public as
to cause of death.

Iirc you made a post about this previously and I thought it was quite astute to find that COD specifically associated with “power”.

My interpretation of the word “power” at the time of the PC is that this word possibly lends itself toward the indication of a sexual crime.

 

[MizStery]

They are appealing publically to those close to him that may know something. They are shaking the apple tree to see what falls down. The appeal is also to rattle BG.

As part of my theory I think the car is part of the critical timeline. The person whose car it belongs to might have been reported to the tip line very early on. But the individual was quickly eliminated because their alibi was corroborated by a trusted source.

But on reexamination of this persons alibi specifically during the noon to 5 PM period it quickly unraveled. Investigators could not find an independent unimpeachable source to corroborate his reported timeline of events on the 13th.

This is but one theory but as MDATCA posted I think the anger and shaming by Carter was directed to the person(s) who sheltered and provided corroborating cover for the murderer of Libby and Abby.

MOO

 

[tresir2012]

I agree. I think the sketch makes him look about 25. Which would mean he is actually 30 - 40??

If we can imagine the new sketch face on the BG video guy, who everyone thinks looks middle aged, maybe we would be near the mark?

So, depending on how old peeps think he looks (in real life), he is actually older, is what I think LE mean. i.e. that comment is directed at people who know him, not at us looking at the sketch and video only. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Thank you. I understand the definition of the word "target." However, I still maintain that Jayme was random. JP knew he wanted a girl, but he didn't have one in mind until he saw Jayme. He targeted her after he saw her in a random moment. She was not someone he previously knew. Just as I think BG probably went to the park with the intentions of doing something and chose Abby and Libby because they were there, female, and he underestimated them.

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<modsnip> I’m certain I recall LE stating around the 2nd anniversary the girls “may have been targeted”. However I’ve not found the source, which I think was a video.

So the point I intended to make, if they were indeed targeted, it doesn’t necessarily indicate either of them personally knew the murderer, if this case proves to be similar to the perp who stalked Jamie.