Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #103

[neesaki]

I got you covered on the barrel of dried rice. My basement, one garage, and cellar are a thing of beauty. I don't think it's paranoia so much as extremely well prepared. Becoming a mom did that to me. I also wouldn't like likely volunteer my DNA. If LE really wanted it, I have no doubt they would find a way.

I don’t have a barrel of rice, just a few cases of freeze dried and dehydrated food in my pantry. We never know, right?
If we don’t use some of it soon will be donating to a homeless shelter. Someone can sure use it. I can always order more.
Indeed, becoming a mom makes you think of everything, doesn’t it?
ETA: I doubt I’d volunteer my DNA either, IMO this is entering into some serious violations of privacy and civil rights . Yep, I’m sitting here SMH as I even think about such nonsense.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

Can you link the article? I bet they’ve made a patch for that since I don’t see many recent articles on it. Lots of links that claim they can recover info, but they are scams. I’ve got a prolific snap chatter and if SC saves everything seen the phone is probably going to blow up.

What a funny mom!

 

[HockeyMom330]

Anyone new to this case, or who wants a refresher on the details of the investigation, might enjoy the Unresolved: The Delphi Murders (May 5, 2019) podcast. I'm not sure if its allowed here so I won't mention any details or give a link but its easy to find online. IMO it give as a great summary.

 

[rosesfromangels]

There has been nothing to suggest that any of the girls' peers knew they were going to be there that day, much less that it was "blasted" out on social media. There's been nothing to support this in MSM or even in any of the other places that we're not allowed to discuss.

To me, "guys" is just a word. Servers in restaurants sometimes use it on tables in which none of the diners are known to them. Just about every YouTuber out there starts their videos with "Hey guys" or use it at least once in their videos (check out JayStation, Guava Juice, Morgz, DanTDM, ChadWildClay, etc). I use it at book signings when I don't know the name of the people whose books I am signing.

BG could very well have had a connection to the girls (I don't believe it, but I can accept that it's a possibility) but IMO the use of the word "guys" is not evidence of this. It's a casual, friendly word that can be used in a variety of manners in a variety of situations.

I certainly seem to be in the minority when it comes to this point about the use of the term "guys". I do agree with you that it was used in a familiar way.
As far as social media, we don't know what went on there yet. This could have been cat fishing as we have speculated ad naseam.

We will just have to wait to figure out what lead up to the bridge walk, and how the Coward tracked the girls.
Thank you for the reply to my post; I appreciate your viewpoint.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Charlot123]

I got you covered on the barrel of dried rice. My basement, one garage, and cellar are a thing of beauty. I don't think it's paranoia so much as extremely well prepared. Becoming a mom did that to me. I also wouldn't like likely volunteer my DNA. If LE really wanted it, I have no doubt they would find a way.

As I have already posted, people who don’t want to use ancestry databases give pretty good reasons, and none of them is paranoid, (mostly, the reasons are insurance-concerned and very logical).

However, it depends on the personality. I am so thrilled by the fact that something new can be used for science, I’d volunteer.

DNA.land is a very separate example. They offer nothing to their users, their database is tiny, but they are involved in studies of breast cancer. And there was a moment when they were asking for people with no family history of breast cancer; this is when I dumped all out DNAs there, with people’s consent, of course.

My attitude is, this site asks me in the context of cancer, maybe some other study will take care of problems important to my family; sort of karma.

 

[Peppery]

There has been nothing to suggest that any of the girls' peers knew they were going to be there that day, much less that it was "blasted" out on social media. There's been nothing to support this in MSM or even in any of the other places that we're not allowed to discuss.

Does anyone else recall a third girl being invited but not allowed to go? Not sure I’d ever find a link but I think it was said pretty early on.

 

[LadyL]

Does anyone else recall a third girl being invited but not allowed to go? Not sure I’d ever find a link but I think it was said pretty early on.

it was an untrue rumour

 

[rosesfromangels]

So it's Sunday night, and I can imagine the Coward sitting at his parents table for Sunday dinner. Maybe a few other assorted relatives too. The usual jovial banter is forced, and falls flat....because they know. They know. The mother looks like she has aged 20 years in the last six months, and is nervous and has been having terrible headaches and stomach aches. The father wants to make it better, but doesn't know what to do. And the hushed whispers everywhere they go....people have started to avoid them.

Can you imagine such a scenario? I can. The Coward is bringing such disgrace, anxiety, and shame to his family yet he has yet to turn himself in. He thinks he has gotten away with the crime, but keeps looking over his shoulder....as he should. The raid is coming; that pounding on the door.

Why doesn't he spare his family the trauma and turn himself in?

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Cryptic]

Cryptic - I wholeheartedly agree with your speculation. I think you nailed it.

Thank you for the compliment regarding the possibility.

Start with a hybrid motive where the perpetrator's possible authority position "day job" is not the source of his contact with the victims.

Then factor in that the victims maybe only indirectly tied to a possible motive (perpetrator fears they may disclose a secret kept by a third party, perpetrator seeks to punish a third party by harming the children, victims were perceived to take the side of a third party in a dispute- but were not directly involved in it.

This not only increases the subject pool, but it is also possible that only one of the victims was specifically targeted. If so, the police need to determine which one to even begin to look for indirect ties to a motive.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes. For example everyone knew that RL was out that day and not back till 6:30 p.m. when the searcher knocked at his door to ask permission to search. So why don't we know that about the property on the other side of the creek, which actually is more important as that was closer to where the girls were last seen and where the girls apparently went missing from. MOO

It was because RL talked to the media, that’s how we knew. Because of nothing in particular other than his willingness to be interviewed, for a time he became a #1 SM suspect and I’m sure everyone else wisened up about keeping their mouth shut after that.

 

[Jabarn]

BBM

Good thought there, @SeattleStew! While it's possible that the suspect may have dropped by a well-known local thrift shop in Delphi (see link; mods, please delete if list is not okay to post), I'm thinking it more likely he went to one not so local -- but that's entirely MO. Were he to go to a Delphi thrift store, that would have increased the likelihood of workers there being interviewed by LE ("Do you recall having a customer who bought...?", etc.). Of course, am still thinking in terms of the suspect's being highly organized (note how carefully he managed to "cover" for himself; note how carefully he actually covered up himself with respect to tons of clothing) -- though I understand that each of us has a variety of opinions as to the suspect's MO. My amateur speculation only regarding the suspect's being an organized killer.

Goodwill Locations & Hours Near Delphi, IN - YP.com

(not just Goodwill stores, either, btw)

BG may have visited the downtown area of Delphi before heading toward the Monon High Trail.

Two years gone by, and it would be hard to backtrack at this point, and those tips have probably been sorted by now.

When TB was first noticed (the whole pageboy hat and all), the possibility of someone visiting the restaurants and bars in the area first crossed my mind, and I think others, too.

Not saying TB is BG, but that BG may have been in the main town and stopped by some of the establishments.

City of Delphi - Welcome to the City of Delphi!

 

[tresir2012]

It was because RL talked to the media, that’s how we knew. Because of nothing in particular other than his willingness to be interviewed, for a time he became a #1 SM suspect and I’m sure everyone else wisened up about keeping their mouth shut after that.

I think it was more likely because the girls were found on his property and not on the other side of the creek. MOO.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think it was more likely because the girls were found on his property and not on the other side of the creek. MOO.

Yes possibly and also because he was wearing a blue jacket when he was interviewed.

 

[pepper 34]

MOO that statement about the cold night always rang false, I have often wondered that the police may have drawn back intentionally because it was looking like a bad situation.

By midnight the police might have tried by saying search was off to the media to encourage any possible assailant to make a move out of the woods. Modern criminals have smart phones too, and can track whats happening in real time.
After two years of looking at crime in and around Delphi, I can't believe the CaCoSherrif's was that naive or callous.
They deal with plenty of all kinds of crime, and a shocking number of sex offenders, many 'whereabouts unknown'.

You may be correct in the points you made but it was cold that night and cold into the morning of the 14th, too.
Weather in February 2017 in Delphi, Indiana, USA

 

[mtnlites]

Does anyone else recall a third girl being invited but not allowed to go? Not sure I’d ever find a link but I think it was said pretty early on.

This was an internet rumor very early on. A young girl was interviewed by the news and when she talked about being friends with the girls, it somehow turned into the idea that she was supposed to have been with them. She wasn't.

This child is family. I have a personal note from her mother, my cousin, explaining the situation. I've seen this come up several times on this board. If a mod wants to contact me and see this proof then that's fine. I continue to be concerned that her name will leak out and that people will start speculating/sleuthing her.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Witnesses and maybe even LE/FBI/GBI may fear that, as long as it isn't 110% proven. Would be a more than huge scandal, if the person was suspected as a brutal double murderer, IF he would turn out, not to be the perp.
Of course, almost everybody, who believes to have him identified, would think: Why would this well-known, successful man do that?? Iiiiiimpossible (and better keep your mouth shut)! IMO MOO
Btw: It is a problem, to know the vehicle used by a VIP one day in February 2017. Maybe a witness has seen a vehicle, but not the driver. Another has seen the man in the area, but not the vehicle. I suppose, the vehicle did not just have advertising on a vehicle part?

I had those thoughts that it could be something very identifiable on the vehicle.
Now I am not so sure....
I am second-guessing everything I've been thinking so far.

 

[MistyWaters]

We are thinking along the same lines.

I was wondering about it since yesterday.

(MOO. That someone confided).

And I was also thinking, it seems that LE feels the criminal is local but not dangerous to Delphi, but how can LE be so sure?

And then I read about “firm purpose of amendment”.

“Firm purpose of amendment”. Implying that the sin is absolved only if the repentant firmly intends to never do it again.”

It is used in Catholicism, but I bet all branches of Christianity are the same when it comes to absolving sins.

Made me think long and hard.

LE will never say there’s danger in a community unless there’s a known active threat such as a lunatic walking the streets shooting at anyone who he crosses paths with.

Worst case scenario - an innocent person who vaguely resembles the suspect gets shot, stabbed or bludgeoned to death because somebody believes they have the right to defend themselves from danger. Creating an environment of panic, fear and pandemonium is far more dangerous to a community than simply asking them to identify and submit tips for an unsolved murder suspect.

Besides, it’s the role of LE to keep the community safe by arresting people who break the law, which is what everyone knows they’re seeking to do. JMO

 

[BigTexas]

Maybe the vehicle's rear glass or bumper had some kind of sticker on it. Maybe a cross with fire (Methodist insignia). ?? MOO

 

[Charlot123]

So it's Sunday night, and I can imagine the Coward sitting at his parents table for Sunday dinner. Maybe a few other assorted relatives too. The usual jovial banter is forced, and falls flat....because they know. They know. The mother looks like she has aged 20 years in the last six months, and is nervous and has been having terrible headaches and stomach aches. The father wants to make it better, but doesn't know what to do. And the hushed whispers everywhere they go....people have started to avoid them.

Can you imagine such a scenario? I can. The Coward is bringing such disgrace, anxiety, and shame to his family yet he has yet to turn himself in. He thinks he has gotten away with the crime, but keeps looking over his shoulder....as he should. The raid is coming; that pounding on the door.

Why doesn't he spare his family the trauma and turn himself in?

Amateur opinion and speculation

My opinion - he had nowhere to go, he will do it, but the family prevents him from doing it (going to the police) because they are afraid of “prison justice”.

(This is why I am against “prison justice”, too).

Also, my opinion - they could have negotiated something for their relative, better conditions or whatever, but the longer they wait, the worse the result.

 

[Ozoner]

Guys I hope not, I don’t have the energy to relive that red shirt fiasco again.

I use guys all the time, women, men,kids, pets, animals.......it’s easy and comfortable for me to say.

I’m not sure I use it any more or less frequently with those I don’t know than with those I do.

If this is the case we can probably use it to expand our suspect list rather than shrink it.

Cody22 going to need a bigger tablet lol

Jmo

The use of guys might support the age range mentioned by the police. I'm in my mid 40's and don't use "guys" all that often except in the phrase "you guys." However, I've noticed that it's used constantly by people who are a little younger than I am (say ~35 and under).